Busted

[BigAznDaddy]

so i got busted for pirating the Bourne ultimatum although i have peer guardian so i am waiting on cox or whoever to tell me what i have to do

[trust]

Just call them and tell them you deleted it. Problem solved. They might monitor your account for awhile or put some restrictions or something.

I got busted for downloading Rome. I have Cox as well. They deal with like 10,000 of these a day apparently.

[Sidoh]

NBC called my ISP after I pirated some movie that Ender said he liked.  The most difficult thing about it was convincing my dad that there would be no further repercussions as long as I didn't continue to pirate things (I haven't illegally downloaded anything since).

[Ergot]

For future reference... can you get away with saying that someone was using your wireless router?

[trust]

For future reference... can you get away with saying that someone was using your wireless router?

I don't think so unless you have hard evidence, and even then you're probably still responsible. It's like having drugs in your car but them not being yours, you're responsible since it is your car.

[BigAznDaddy]

For future reference... can you get away with saying that someone was using your wireless router?

I use my neighbors wireless router lol. and sometimes i can see his computer in my network

[rabbit]

For future reference... can you get away with saying that someone was using your wireless router?

I use my neighbors wireless router lol. and sometimes i can see his computer in my network

Don't you mean his network?

[Ergot]

I use my neighbors wireless router

How'd you get busted then o_O?

For future reference... can you get away with saying that someone was using your wireless router?

I don't think so unless you have hard evidence, and even then you're probably still responsible. It's like having drugs in your car but them not being yours, you're responsible since it is your car.

More like someone stealing my car and then getting in a hit and run. -_-;;

[Newby]

You people suck at pirating stuff. I've never been busted. I guess I just rock. Or I stay away from movies...

[BigAznDaddy]

How'd you get busted then o_O?

i use his wireless router with my laptop but i use my router for my computer.

[leet_muffin]

How did they notify you?

[trust]

For future reference... can you get away with saying that someone was using your wireless router?

I don't think so unless you have hard evidence, and even then you're probably still responsible. It's like having drugs in your car but them not being yours, you're responsible since it is your car.

No, you're not. If someone else in the car claims the drugs, you're off the hook. And yes, I know this for a fact.

We're not talking about someone claiming them. Think of the analogy, if someone pirated something via your network they aren't going to be like "Yeah, it was me." Drugs are a different story because you're both physically there.

How did they notify you?

The company which the studio hires to monitor for infringement sends out an email to your ISP detailing the infringement and your ISP in turn emails you about it. With Cox they tell you that you have x amount of days to contact them and resolve the problem or they'll terminate your service. When this happened to me I made the mistake of emailing HBO's lawyers and apologizing (I did this from my moms account and said how I taught my son how this disrupts capitalism and such). The guy at Cox said that was a bad idea since now they actually know who I am, he said that most likely nothing would happen since it was for a TV Show but had it been for music files the RIAA is much more persistent and the chances of charges being filed would have greatly increased. Luckily nothing happened. Their main goal is for you to stop pirating their property, not to disrupt lives. As long as you comply then you'll be fine. (This is the problem with P2P because you're automatically an uploader and since you're sharing it that's what you get in trouble for.) You're much better off using private uploads on sites like Rapidshare or Sendspace. Or watching for additions on sites like quicksilverscreen

[leet_muffin]

How did they notify you?

The company which the studio hires to monitor for infringement sends out an email to your ISP detailing the infringement and your ISP in turn emails you about it. With Cox they tell you that you have x amount of days to contact them and resolve the problem or they'll terminate your service. When this happened to me I made the mistake of emailing HBO's lawyers and apologizing (I did this from my moms account and said how I taught my son how this disrupts capitalism and such). The guy at Cox said that was a bad idea since now they actually know who I am, he said that most likely nothing would happen since it was for a TV Show but had it been for music files the RIAA is much more persistent and the chances of charges being filed would have greatly increased. Luckily nothing happened. Their main goal is for you to stop pirating their property, not to disrupt lives. As long as you comply then you'll be fine. (This is the problem with P2P because you're automatically an uploader and since you're sharing it that's what you get in trouble for.) You're much better off using private uploads on sites like Rapidshare or Sendspace. Or watching for additions on sites like quicksilverscreen

So, if they couldn't get me by email... would they call?

[trust]

How did they notify you?

The company which the studio hires to monitor for infringement sends out an email to your ISP detailing the infringement and your ISP in turn emails you about it. With Cox they tell you that you have x amount of days to contact them and resolve the problem or they'll terminate your service. When this happened to me I made the mistake of emailing HBO's lawyers and apologizing (I did this from my moms account and said how I taught my son how this disrupts capitalism and such). The guy at Cox said that was a bad idea since now they actually know who I am, he said that most likely nothing would happen since it was for a TV Show but had it been for music files the RIAA is much more persistent and the chances of charges being filed would have greatly increased. Luckily nothing happened. Their main goal is for you to stop pirating their property, not to disrupt lives. As long as you comply then you'll be fine. (This is the problem with P2P because you're automatically an uploader and since you're sharing it that's what you get in trouble for.) You're much better off using private uploads on sites like Rapidshare or Sendspace. Or watching for additions on sites like quicksilverscreen

So, if they couldn't get me by email... would they call?

I don't know for certain but I don't remember anything in the email about a follow up call. I think they would just go ahead and terminate your service. You'd end up calling them anyway. In fact I'm almost certain as I recall the email just saying it's a notification of infringement and consequences. This thought crossed my mind too though as it was sent to all linked ISP emails, but my mom is the only one who uses it and she rarely checks her email. She just happened to check it that day.

[iago]

Disrupts capitalism?

Copyrights totally aren't a part of capitalism!

[CrAz3D]

Yeah they are.  Capitalism is all about personal property.  Copyrights are personal property.

[BigAznDaddy]

I have a question.. instead of targeting people who download these things, why not catch the people whom upload them or force people to shut down the sites.

[CrAz3D]

I have a question.. instead of targeting people who download these things, why not catch the people whom upload them or force people to shut down the sites.

More money to be made the other way

[iago]

Yeah they are.  Capitalism is all about personal property.  Copyrights are personal property.

Copyrights are an abstract concept, not something that can typically be bought and sold. In a pure capitalist system, the government would mandate people's ability to use a product.

Copyrights are totally an American ideal, but America isn't a pure capitalist world.

[iago]

I have a question.. instead of targeting people who download these things, why not catch the people whom upload them or force people to shut down the sites.

That's exactly what they do. The problem is that when you download, you generally upload, too.   

[CrAz3D]

Yeah they are.  Capitalism is all about personal property.  Copyrights are personal property.

Copyrights are an abstract concept, not something that can typically be bought and sold. In a pure capitalist system, the government would mandate people's ability to use a product.

Copyrights can still be sold.  The government mandating what products people use is FAR from capitalism it sounds.

Copyrights are totally an American ideal, but America isn't a pure capitalist world.

That doesn't mean that they aren't apart of capitalism.

Copyrights ensure the property rights for the idea just as deeds ensure the rights to a tract of land.

[BigAznDaddy]

That's exactly what they do. The problem is that when you download, you generally upload, too.   

ahh yes that makes sense when you seed you upload... ok well i think i have learned my lesson. i am not downloading any more movies.

[Sidoh]

ahh yes that makes sense when you seed you upload... ok well i think i have learned my lesson. i am not downloading any more movies.

You upload before you seed as well.

[Ergot]

And that's why you should stop using torrents.

[BigAznDaddy]

And that's why you should stop using torrents.

trying to stop downloading junk is like trying to stop smoking.. you have to go a little at a time to finally break the addiction...

[Hitmen]

And that's why you should stop using torrents.

:|

I have an average of like >2gb/day of downloads from torrents over the past year or two. I think the real answer is stop downloading the garbage the **AA puts out, that's what gets you in trouble.

[Sidoh]

And that's why you should stop using torrents.

:|

I have an average of like >2gb/day of downloads from torrents over the past year or two. I think the real answer is stop downloading the garbage the **AA puts out, that's what gets you in trouble.

Unfortunately, the RIAA represents almost all of the music most people listen to.  I don't know about movies, but the one I downloaded was pretty obscure, I think.  It was produced by NBC, though.

[trust]

That's exactly what they do. The problem is that when you download, you generally upload, too.   

ahh yes that makes sense when you seed you upload... ok well i think i have learned my lesson. i am not downloading any more movies.

Yeah most likely what they nabbed you for is uploading. They have little bots that just get a list of connected ips to the torrent and even if you aren't transmitting any data they'll still flag you. I remember reading a thing on it back when this happened to me. Usually though they'll try going for the big uploaders because they get a more effective outcome for the legal money and effort put in. Unless they decide to make an example out of you.

But yes torrents are very unsafe and should only be used sparingly, and even then probably not. I only use them for downloading small programs for my Mac now.

[deadly7]

I torrent stuff all the time. Just got to know where to look and what to get.

[Sidoh]

I torrent stuff all the time. Just got to know where to look and what to get.

I think that's the dilemma.  That isn't always possible.

[Killer360]

That's why you don't use fucking torrents. Buy a rapidshare premium account for $10/m and problem solved.

[iago]

That's why you don't use fucking torrents. Buy a rapidshare premium account for $10/m and problem solved.

Don't you find $10/minute to be a little excessive?

Or perhaps you're using the wrong abbreviation for "month"

[Explicit]

The main reason I see for busting any small-time pirater is so that scare tactics can be applied to target a significantly larger user base; one that's more local to the person being made an example of.

That, and the obvious one: money.

But assuming that they're actually doing their job, I'd side with the former.

[deadly7]

Or perhaps you're using the wrong abbreviation for "month"

I believe it's "mo" isn't it?

[rabbit]

Nah, that's the European abbreviation for megabyte.

[Newby]

That's why you don't use fucking torrents. Buy a rapidshare premium account for $10/m and problem solved.

That's why you don't use fucking public torrents trackers. Get a membership to a private torrent forum and problem solved.

95% of the time it works every time.

[iago]

95% of the time it works every time.

How's that calculated, if you don't mind me asking?

[Newby]

95% of the time it works every time.

How's that calculated, if you don't mind me asking?

With that rule that says like 80% of statistics are made up on the spot. Or something like that.

[rabbit]

95% of the time it works every time.

How's that calculated, if you don't mind me asking?

With that rule that says like 80% of statistics are made up on the spot. Or something like that.

It's 62.14% made up on the spot.

[Killer360]

That's why you don't use fucking torrents. Buy a rapidshare premium account for $10/m and problem solved.

Don't you find $10/minute to be a little excessive?

Or perhaps you're using the wrong abbreviation for "month"

I've seen both /m and /mo used. I didn't think it mattered because $10/min doesn't make any sense at all.

Who gives a shit.

[BigAznDaddy]

so after getting caught and junk i stopped downloading junk for like a couple weeks ( or what seemed like it) and so i just got some stuff and this poped up on peer guardian.. should i be worried?

[Newby]

There's a topic here on that PeerGuardian. We decided it was useless.

[BigAznDaddy]

There's a topic here on that PeerGuardian. We decided it was useless.

other recommendations?

[iago]

There's a topic here on that PeerGuardian. We decided it was useless.

other recommendations?

Private torrent sites, non-RIAA affiliated music, sharing music with just your friends (who rip it off their own CDs)

[chuck]

There's a topic here on that PeerGuardian. We decided it was useless.

other recommendations?

Private torrent sites, non-RIAA affiliated music, sharing music with just your friends (who rip it off their own CDs)

Move to Canada?

[while1]

This happened to me with Cox as well, except it was the Business Software Assocation that contacted Cox because I downloaded and was seeding MS Visual Studio .NET Pro...  What's surprising is my parent's really didn't overreact like I though they would.  My dad just said "Mike, you know better than to steal from Microsoft."

So I just *deleted* the torrent and illegal content from my HDD like the Cox e-mail said to... aka just stopped seeding it .

Oh, this incident had no effect on the amount of copyrighted material I pirate.  For me, once a pirate, always a pirate.

[iago]

For me, once a pirate, always a pirate.

I thought like that once. Then I discovered that I could get everything I needed for free without supporting commercial companies (either financially or morally), so now I don't pirate anything illegally (keeping in mind that downloading music here isn't illegal).

[BigAznDaddy]

For me, once a pirate, always a pirate.

I thought like that once. Then I discovered that I could get everything I needed for free without supporting commercial companies (either financially or morally), so now I don't pirate anything illegally (keeping in mind that downloading music here isn't illegal).

that gives me a reason to move to canada.. that and you can legally drink at 18, and some of my family is in canada