OiNK'D! Huge pirate music site shut down

[GameSnake]

British and Dutch police have shut down a "widely-used" source of illegally-downloaded music.
A flat on Teesside and several properties in Amsterdam were raided as part of an Interpol investigation into the members-only website OiNK.

The UK-run site has leaked 60 major pre-release albums this year alone, said the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI).

A 24-year-old man from Middlesbrough was arrested on Tuesday morning.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/7057812.stm]Read Article.

[Newby]

Sad stuff. :/

[Blaze]

So.. what countries in the world are still safe havens for music piracy?

[Newby]

Sweden?

[Camel]

I still refuse to believe it.

And I was getting so close to having more invites.

[CrAz3D]

Glad I didnt use it much ?

[Killer360]

Fack the RIAA/MPAA.

[Towelie]

www.oink.cd

hahhahaha. Check the site out now

[Armin]

Back when the page was run by whoever took it down, it mentioned criminal investigations of the website's users. How legitimate are these threats? I'm contemplating backing up everything I downloaded to DVD, and wiping my hard drive to an extent that data cannot be recovered until everything clears up. IIRC, my ISP (Cox) attempts to prevent illegal file sharing, and am not sure if they would comply with who ever is running the investigation, or if all of that is confidential. Does anyone have any insight upon this?

[Newby]

Back when the page was run by whoever took it down, it mentioned criminal investigations of the website's users. How legitimate are these threats? I'm contemplating backing up everything I downloaded to DVD, and wiping my hard drive to an extent that data cannot be recovered until everything clears up. IIRC, my ISP (Cox) attempts to prevent illegal file sharing, and am not sure if they would comply with who ever is running the investigation, or if all of that is confidential. Does anyone have any insight upon this?

Logs are not incriminating enough.

[Camel]

Back when the page was run by whoever took it down, it mentioned criminal investigations of the website's users. How legitimate are these threats? I'm contemplating backing up everything I downloaded to DVD, and wiping my hard drive to an extent that data cannot be recovered until everything clears up. IIRC, my ISP (Cox) attempts to prevent illegal file sharing, and am not sure if they would comply with who ever is running the investigation, or if all of that is confidential. Does anyone have any insight upon this?

I do believe that is called paranoia.

Why do you think you are safer with your illegal files on a dvd instead of your harddrive?


Also, it costs thousands of dollars to recover deleted files from a hard disk. It is very rarely done, even in criminal cases.

[Armin]

I do believe that is called paranoia.

Why do you think you are safer with your illegal files on a dvd instead of your harddrive?


Also, it costs thousands of dollars to recover deleted files from a hard disk. It is very rarely done, even in criminal cases.

Most file systems only remove the link to data. You would need a piece of software that incinerates the data, meaning to overwrite it multiple times. Depending on how many times you overwrite it, the data in question can be recovered by either free software or likely expensive hardware. IIRC, 7 passes makes software undeletion impossible, and 21 passes makes hardware undeletion impossible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undeletion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_deletion

Under the Fourth Amendment searches must be reasonable and specific. This means that a search warrant must be specific as to the specified object to be searched for and the place to be searched. Other items, rooms, outbuildings, persons, vehicles, etc. would require a second search warrant. I would hide the DVDs in an irrelevant area until I felt enough time had gone by.

With thousands of dollars on the line, I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Logs are not incriminating enough.

I know logs aren't incriminating enough to send me a fine on the spot, but I'd like to know if they're incriminating enough to provide investigators with a warrant, especially if my ISP complies with investigators.

[Killer360]

I heard yesterday that The Pirate Bay was going to be reviving it and calling it something like Zoink or something like that. I'll find the article when I get home.

[Camel]

Most file systems only remove the link to data. You would need a piece of software that incinerates the data, meaning to overwrite it multiple times. Depending on how many times you overwrite it, the data in question can be recovered by either free software or likely expensive hardware. IIRC, 7 passes makes software undeletion impossible, and 21 passes makes hardware undeletion impossible.

If you don't know where the file begins and ends, you need to do heuristic analysis of the data on the disk, period. Even if the file is still fully intact, you'd have to know a lot about it to find it.

More likely, however, since disks are accessed pseudo-randomly, the place where the deleted file resided would be overwritten by new data, unless the computer was unplugged immediately following the flush() following the file deletion. In this case, and I might add that you'd have to go to extraordinary measures to avoid this case, you'd need to analyze the disk using the theory of hysteresis to recover the overwritten data.

[Armin]

Most file systems only remove the link to data. You would need a piece of software that incinerates the data, meaning to overwrite it multiple times. Depending on how many times you overwrite it, the data in question can be recovered by either free software or likely expensive hardware. IIRC, 7 passes makes software undeletion impossible, and 21 passes makes hardware undeletion impossible.

If you don't know where the file begins and ends, you need to do heuristic analysis of the data on the disk, period. Even if the file is still fully intact, you'd have to know a lot about it to find it.

More likely, however, since disks are accessed pseudo-randomly, the place where the deleted file resided would be overwritten by new data, unless the computer was unplugged immediately following the flush() following the file deletion. In this case, and I might add that you'd have to go to extraordinary measures to avoid this case, you'd need to analyze the disk using the theory of hysteresis to recover the overwritten data.

"But even overwriting the disk with something else or formatting it does not guarantee that the sensitive data is completely unrecoverable. To deal with this, there are programs that write random data to the target regions on the disk many times over and over, so making data recovery unlikely."
I used to own a piece of software called System Mechanic that did all of this, and it didn't even require an intense load on the CPU or hard drive.

[AntiVirus]

It had it coming, but it still sucks to see it go.

[iago]

"But even overwriting the disk with something else or formatting it does not guarantee that the sensitive data is completely unrecoverable. To deal with this, there are programs that write random data to the target regions on the disk many times over and over, so making data recovery unlikely."
I used to own a piece of software called System Mechanic that did all of this, and it didn't even require an intense load on the CPU or hard drive.

If you delete files, you're safe from 99.99% of people.

If you overwrite the files once, you're safe from all but a handful of people.

Overwriting once is generally good enough, unless you expect that people may want to spend hundreds of thousands (or more) to recover your data.

In any case, you still have to be careful if you're only deleting files (not the entire harddrive). Files may be stores in more than one location (if they've been moved in a defragmentation), or data from the file may have been written to the pagefile at some point, which can still be present. The only way to really be sure about that is to delete the whole drive, or, better yet, destroy the drive (into dust).

[Towelie]

"But even overwriting the disk with something else or formatting it does not guarantee that the sensitive data is completely unrecoverable. To deal with this, there are programs that write random data to the target regions on the disk many times over and over, so making data recovery unlikely."
I used to own a piece of software called System Mechanic that did all of this, and it didn't even require an intense load on the CPU or hard drive.

If you delete files, you're safe from 99.99% of people.

If you overwrite the files once, you're safe from all but a handful of people.

Overwriting once is generally good enough, unless you expect that people may want to spend hundreds of thousands (or more) to recover your data.

In any case, you still have to be careful if you're only deleting files (not the entire harddrive). Files may be stores in more than one location (if they've been moved in a defragmentation), or data from the file may have been written to the pagefile at some point, which can still be present. The only way to really be sure about that is to delete the whole drive, or, better yet, destroy the drive (into dust).

Which wouldn't be necessary until you actually get caught haha

[Camel]

In any case, you still have to be careful if you're only deleting files (not the entire harddrive). Files may be stores in more than one location (if they've been moved in a defragmentation), or data from the file may have been written to the pagefile at some point, which can still be present. The only way to really be sure about that is to delete the whole drive, or, better yet, destroy the drive (into dust).

That will not prevent an infinite number of monkeys from recovering your file!

[Sidoh]

Or your file occurring in some form or another in the digits of [tex]\pi[/tex].

[Joe]

I like [tex]\pi.[/tex]

[Warrior]

just put the file in the damn recycling bin

problem solved.

[Armin]