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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2007, 12:40:07 pm »
I think it's a testament to how easy it is to con the consumer out of evolutionary functionality.

Some of the features are not even well done either. I mean, they murdered the dock. They're using two perspectives there, with confusing reflection, and an odd look when attached to the side of the screen.

The Top Bar's translucency kills usability, it's really horrible. Even with a solid color as a background it turns a shade of light blue.
Where's the uniformity in that? Hell, where's the logic in that?

Even in Windows Vista the Taskbar's translucency is not so exaggerated. It still retains it's overall black hue.

Time Machine is just a visual front end to Previous Versions, a Versioning and Backup system present in Windows since 2003. Where's the innovation?

They slap a retarded User Interface on it and call it a day.  Not to mention it requires a second hard drive.
Under Windows Vista the versioning system works flawlessly with the already in place backup. I can backup to an image, a second harddrive, or on a per file basis a'la versioning.

Spaces is no matter how much you play around with words, a virtual desktop implementation.
The only reason spaces does "not depend on the idea of virtual desktops" is because it's off by default.
Once you enable it, it becomes a full part of the user-experience. I'm not sure what point is being made here.

The only innovative thing out of the Apple Camp this release is XCode. Everything else is not innovative, it's existed in one way or another in other systems. The very thing Apple ridiculed Vista for doing, it now does itself.

Not to mention it was supposed to ship *before* Vista.

There's a difference though. Vista moved 88 million copies in less than a year, and Microsoft posted their best quarterly earnings in 9 years. Makes Apple's earnings on all of their collective products seem like nothing.

Looks like karma is coming to bite Steve Jobs in the ass.
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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2007, 12:52:14 pm »
Regarless of all the negative thought/comments on OS X, I'll still purchase it to update my iBook.
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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2007, 12:58:08 pm »
Oh, you have to pay?  That kind of sucks... :\

I won't say that's total bullshit, though, since Apple tends to do things their own way (usually to a reasonable extend) and they don't do a bad job with it from what I've seen.

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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2007, 01:21:24 pm »
Oh, you have to pay?  That kind of sucks... :\

I won't say that's total bullshit, though, since Apple tends to do things their own way (usually to a reasonable extend) and they don't do a bad job with it from what I've seen.

Yes, it's like $120 or something.

For a service pack.
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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2007, 11:37:06 am »
Since I'm not Apple-savvy, do you mind explaining the difference, Camel?  My friend (who isn't partial to any platform) says it's virtual desktops and nothing more. :\

Plug in a second monitor and you'll understand perfectly. :)

There is a big difference.

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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2007, 01:11:11 pm »
Plug in a second monitor and you'll understand perfectly. :)

There is a big difference.

I have one.  Do you have a link to a demo or something?

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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2007, 02:32:07 pm »
$116 with Student Discount, Tiger was about 50 with the discount. I think I'll wait awhile.

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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2007, 05:24:10 pm »
Since I'm not Apple-savvy, do you mind explaining the difference, Camel?  My friend (who isn't partial to any platform) says it's virtual desktops and nothing more. :\

Plug in a second monitor and you'll understand perfectly. :)

There is a big difference.

Better be a $120 difference.
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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2007, 01:38:13 am »
Since I'm not Apple-savvy, do you mind explaining the difference, Camel?  My friend (who isn't partial to any platform) says it's virtual desktops and nothing more. :\

Plug in a second monitor and you'll understand perfectly. :)

There is a big difference.

Better be a $120 difference.
Pfft, wtf.  I freaking bought my copy of XP, a whole operating system not just a SP, 5-6 years ago (SP1) at $181.  Again, just an example of Apple overcharging like they do for MacBooks and shit.
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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2007, 01:59:45 am »
Pfft, wtf.  I freaking bought my copy of XP, a whole operating system not just a SP, 5-6 years ago (SP1) at $181.  Again, just an example of Apple overcharging like they do for MacBooks and shit.
$181 was what, the cost of XP Professional Upgrade?  The full versions are usually a couple hundred more than the upgrades.

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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2007, 02:23:36 am »
The upgrade editions of XP cost $100 less than their OEM counterparts.  And btw, the edition targetting home users - Home Edition - was $89.95.
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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2007, 05:27:41 pm »
Apple doesn't even attempt to protect their software from piracy. You can copy the Leopard DVD with the software that comes with Leopard.

Therefore, cost is irrelevant. :)

Furthermore, even software that's designed to be shareware/trialware has a certain inability to expire, since it's only guaranteed to be able to store information in its own application folder (there's no equivalent of a registry in OS X). When an application expires, you drag it to the trash and re-extract it from its distribution archive.
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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2007, 06:11:34 pm »
The upgrade editions of XP cost $100 less than their OEM counterparts.  And btw, the edition targetting home users - Home Edition - was $89.95.
Really? I could  have sworn I remembered full versions being $200+ more than the upgrade for both XP and 2000.  I can't imagine the OEM and retail box price differences being 50%.


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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2007, 06:12:18 pm »
Really? I could  have sworn I remembered full versions being $200+ more than the upgrade for both XP and 2000.  I can't imagine the OEM and retail box price differences being 50%.

Nah. An upgrade for XP Pro = $200. A full install = $300. All prices = retail. :P
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Re: Coolest feature in Leopard?
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2007, 06:12:48 pm »
Furthermore, even software that's designed to be shareware/trialware has a certain inability to expire, since it's only guaranteed to be able to store information in its own application folder (there's no equivalent of a registry in OS X). When an application expires, you drag it to the trash and re-extract it from its distribution archive.

That's interesting. I'm guessing software installation isn't as liberal as it is on Windows, probably for the better. It allows a much finer control and let's you make broader assumptions about every program installed on the system. Probably a godsend for troubleshooting.
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