Downtime this weekend

[iago]

I'm planning on physically moving the server this weekend (tonight, Saturday, or Sunday, depending on when I have time). It'll be down for 1-2 hour at that time.

[CrAz3D]

eek gads.  good thing I'll be drunk and out of town ! <3

[iago]

As opposed to every other weekend when you're in town, I imagine?

[CrAz3D]

yeah, if I'm in town I'd still be drunk...but I'd be posting sad stories about boredom while the forums were down

[Blaze]

yeah, if I'm in town I'd still be drunk...but I'd be posting sad stories about boredom while the forums were down

I'm not one to question a drunk man and his physics, but how do you post on something that isn't?

[CrAz3D]

yeah, if I'm in town I'd still be drunk...but I'd be posting sad stories about boredom while the forums were down

I'm not one to question a drunk man and his physics, but how do you post on something that isn't?

I'd post after it was back, like normal

Although, if you got me shnookered up enough I'd probably try to post on here without a computer

[Killer360]

So iago.. I suppose your planning on moving it tonight then? 

[Blaze]

I think he already did it?  It was down yesterday..

[Killer360]

I thought he was switching to Shaw? Whois still says MTS: http://whois.domaintools.com/x86labs.org

[iago]

I was going to do it tonight, but I've had too much sugar today and I've already begun to crash. I might do it tomorrow which, since I'm a government employee, is still technically part of the weekend. Go Remembrance Day!

[iago]

So now I've pretty much missed it. Maybe sometime during the week or on the weekend, I don't know. Moving it's a lot of work, so I naturally procrastinate.

[Killer360]

You're disorganized! 

[iago]

How is that disorganized? I know exactly what to do and how I'm going to do it. I just need to DO it. But to actually do it, I need to borrow a car, which is kind of the tricky part.

[Ergot]

Grand Theft Auto.

[Killer360]

Hmm... when?

[iago]

Probably in 2-3 hours from now (around 8 - 9pm CST). Shouldn't take more than a half hour, if all goes according to plan.

[Joe]

8:04 CST. Any second now.

[iago]

I think I did it shortly after 9. Oh well!

Either way, it's 10:33 CST and it's back up and working. Thank God!

Let me know if you notice any speed difference, especially a negative one. If I find it's slower on this ISP, I'll change back to the ISP I used to use.

<edit> I just added a 12gb backup drive for the database, so I no longer have to worry about it running out of harddrive and crashing every 2 weeks if I forget to clean up old backups. So now if you get the "could not connect to database server" error, you'll know it's something horrible!

[Killer360]

Congrats! You got it done! 

Although I keep getting this error when I reply to threads.

[iago]

Hmm, that'd odd, you should be banned completely!

Just joking, I have no idea what's causing that, I'll check the error log.

<edit> didn't have to, it seems that admins get better error messages:

Can't create/write to file '/tmp/#sql_802_0.MYI' (Errcode: 13)
File: /web/x86/web/forum/Sources/Subs-Post.php
Line: 1410

I made /tmp a separate partition, but forgot to give it full read/write permissions. Should be fixed now. 

[Joe]

It seems incredibly faster.

[Killer360]

It seems incredibly faster.

Yup. MTS sucks. Too bad I'm still stuck with them.

Also, I believe iago went with the highspeed connection, which is 5MB. MTS's highspeed is only 3MB. The highest MTS offers is 5MB.  And that's something like $60/m and that's what I'm forced to be using now.

[iago]

I got Shaw's medium-speed connection. I didn't think that the Extreme one was worth the ridiculous price.

The one thing I don't like about Shaw is that they have a bandwidth cap, whereas MTS doesn't.

[Hitmen]

Also, I believe iago went with the highspeed connection, which is 5MB. MTS's highspeed is only 3MB. The highest MTS offers is 5MB.  And that's something like $60/m and that's what I'm forced to be using now.

Wow, I thought the US had it rough when it came to broadband, and you guys live in a city....

[chuck]

I got Shaw's medium-speed connection. I didn't think that the Extreme one was worth the ridiculous price.

The one thing I don't like about Shaw is that they have a bandwidth cap, whereas MTS doesn't.

Did you get a residential connection? If so you may want to look at their AUP...

The residential Shaw Services are designed for personal Internet use. You may not use the residential Shaw Services for commercial purposes. You may not run a server in connection with the Shaw Services nor may you provide network services to others via the Shaw Services. Examples of prohibited servers and services include, but are not limited to, mail, http, ftp, irc, dhcp servers, and multi-user interactive forums. Some business services may be exempt from these limitations.

[Killer360]

I got Shaw's medium-speed connection. I didn't think that the Extreme one was worth the ridiculous price.

The one thing I don't like about Shaw is that they have a bandwidth cap, whereas MTS doesn't.

Did you get a residential connection? If so you may want to look at their AUP...

The residential Shaw Services are designed for personal Internet use. You may not use the residential Shaw Services for commercial purposes. You may not run a server in connection with the Shaw Services nor may you provide network services to others via the Shaw Services. Examples of prohibited servers and services include, but are not limited to, mail, http, ftp, irc, dhcp servers, and multi-user interactive forums. Some business services may be exempt from these limitations.

That's bullshit. You can still easily host an HTTP server with them.

A person I know, who has hosted an HTTP server on his residential shaw connection for approximately 3 or 4 years has never had any problems.

Also, I believe iago went with the highspeed connection, which is 5MB. MTS's highspeed is only 3MB. The highest MTS offers is 5MB.  And that's something like $60/m and that's what I'm forced to be using now.

Wow, I thought the US had it rough when it came to broadband, and you guys live in a city....

Yes, Canada does have shitty broadband. My school, which has hundreds of computers in it, only has a shitty 7MB connection cause that's the highest MTS offers (even for businesses).

I'm pretty close to that right now..


So I'm OK. But many other people who are paying normal prices aren't.

[iago]

I got Shaw's medium-speed connection. I didn't think that the Extreme one was worth the ridiculous price.

The one thing I don't like about Shaw is that they have a bandwidth cap, whereas MTS doesn't.

Did you get a residential connection? If so you may want to look at their AUP...

The residential Shaw Services are designed for personal Internet use. You may not use the residential Shaw Services for commercial purposes. You may not run a server in connection with the Shaw Services nor may you provide network services to others via the Shaw Services. Examples of prohibited servers and services include, but are not limited to, mail, http, ftp, irc, dhcp servers, and multi-user interactive forums. Some business services may be exempt from these limitations.

Yeah, I'm aware, MTS has similar restrictions. If Shaw wants to complain about it, I'll just change to MTS. If MTS complains, I'll find another ISP (there's one other here, a long-range wireless one, I forget what they're called).

[Skywing]

Very poor performance at ~1p central time today.  However, doesn't look like a net problem for me right now, last responding hop is reasonable (<100ms).  Perhaps the box is/was just loaded?

[iago]

It's possible. It's also a shared line (being cable), so maybe there was a spike of people checking the weather (just started getting blizzard-like conditions)

[Killer360]

I got Shaw's medium-speed connection. I didn't think that the Extreme one was worth the ridiculous price.

The one thing I don't like about Shaw is that they have a bandwidth cap, whereas MTS doesn't.

Did you get a residential connection? If so you may want to look at their AUP...

The residential Shaw Services are designed for personal Internet use. You may not use the residential Shaw Services for commercial purposes. You may not run a server in connection with the Shaw Services nor may you provide network services to others via the Shaw Services. Examples of prohibited servers and services include, but are not limited to, mail, http, ftp, irc, dhcp servers, and multi-user interactive forums. Some business services may be exempt from these limitations.

Yeah, I'm aware, MTS has similar restrictions. If Shaw wants to complain about it, I'll just change to MTS. If MTS complains, I'll find another ISP (there's one other here, a long-range wireless one, I forget what they're called).

There are two actually.

WiBand - The one you're most likely referring to.
3web - A Shaw reseller, I believe. They sell cheap though.

[Skywing]

Well, here's what I am seeing right now (problem seems to have recurred):

skywing@valera:~$ time wget http://www.x86labs.org/forum
--14:51:52--  http://www.x86labs.org/forum
           => `forum'
Resolving www.x86labs.org... 24.76.160.70
Connecting to www.x86labs.org|24.76.160.70|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location: http://www.x86labs.org/forum/ [following]
--14:51:53--  http://www.x86labs.org/forum/
           => `index.html'
Reusing existing connection to www.x86labs.org:80.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]

    [           <=>                                                                                                                                                         ] 60,910         8.93K/s

14:52:05 (8.93 KB/s) - `index.html' saved [60910]


real    0m13.222s
user    0m0.004s
sys     0m0.048s
skywing@valera:~$ traceroute www.x86labs.org
traceroute to iago.dnsalias.com (24.76.160.70), 30 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  208.110.73.177 (208.110.73.177)  0.649 ms  0.504 ms  0.526 ms
 2  69.30.235.93 (69.30.235.93)  0.993 ms  1.298 ms  1.290 ms
 3  69.30.235.1 (69.30.235.1)  17.081 ms  1.292 ms  1.156 ms
 4  69.30.235.210 (69.30.235.210)  1.565 ms  1.506 ms  1.683 ms
 5  rrcs-67-53-162-197.west.biz.rr.com (67.53.162.197)  11.963 ms  11.797 ms  12.196 ms
 6  gig1-0-6.kscymordc-rtr1.rdc-kc.rr.com (24.94.160.41)  11.822 ms  12.124 ms  13.264 ms
 7  so5-1-1-chcgill3-rtr1.kc.rr.com (24.94.160.81)  13.306 ms  12.767 ms  11.672 ms
 8  xe-11-2-0.edge1.chicago2.level3.net (4.71.248.13)  11.528 ms xe-11-1-0.edge1.chicago2.level3.net (4.71.248.1)  16.266 ms xe-11-2-0.edge1.chicago2.level3.net (4.71.248.13)  21.313 ms
 9  ae-32-54.ebr2.chicago1.level3.net (4.68.101.126)  35.172 ms ae-31-53.ebr1.chicago1.level3.net (4.68.101.94)  38.764 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.chicago1.level3.net (4.68.101.30)  22.004 ms
10  ae-68.ebr3.chicago1.level3.net (4.69.134.58)  18.006 ms ae-78.ebr3.chicago1.level3.net (4.69.134.62)  12.848 ms ae-68.ebr3.chicago1.level3.net (4.69.134.58)  15.717 ms
11  ae-3.ebr2.denver1.level3.net (4.69.132.61)  36.438 ms  27.791 ms  33.263 ms
12  ae-2.ebr2.seattle1.level3.net (4.69.132.53)  50.575 ms  301.273 ms  92.785 ms
13  ae-23-52.car3.seattle1.level3.net (4.68.105.36)  62.623 ms ae-23-54.car3.seattle1.level3.net (4.68.105.100)  59.977 ms ae-23-56.car3.seattle1.level3.net (4.68.105.164)  63.472 ms
14  big-pipe-in.car3.seattle1.level3.net (4.71.152.26)  60.835 ms  59.252 ms  56.127 ms
15  rc1wh-pos14-0-0.vc.shawcable.net (66.163.76.1)  84.739 ms  97.882 ms  50.559 ms
16  rc1so-pos1-0-0.cg.shawcable.net (66.163.77.198)  72.259 ms  72.993 ms  71.823 ms
17  rc2nr-pos11-0-0.wp.shawcable.net (66.163.77.158)  113.353 ms  121.147 ms  97.157 ms
18  dx1sj-g15.wp.shawcable.net (64.59.181.137)  89.205 ms  88.579 ms  88.646 ms
19  * * *
20  * *
skywing@valera:~$


13-15 seconds to serve up pages definitely is not good.  However, not showing much in the way of latency spikes.

[Killer360]

Well, here's what I am seeing right now (problem seems to have recurred):

skywing@valera:~$ time wget http://www.x86labs.org/forum
--14:51:52--  http://www.x86labs.org/forum
           => `forum'
Resolving www.x86labs.org... 24.76.160.70
Connecting to www.x86labs.org|24.76.160.70|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location: http://www.x86labs.org/forum/ [following]
--14:51:53--  http://www.x86labs.org/forum/
           => `index.html'
Reusing existing connection to www.x86labs.org:80.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]

    [           <=>                                                                                                                                                         ] 60,910         8.93K/s

14:52:05 (8.93 KB/s) - `index.html' saved [60910]


real    0m13.222s
user    0m0.004s
sys     0m0.048s
skywing@valera:~$ traceroute www.x86labs.org
traceroute to iago.dnsalias.com (24.76.160.70), 30 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  208.110.73.177 (208.110.73.177)  0.649 ms  0.504 ms  0.526 ms
 2  69.30.235.93 (69.30.235.93)  0.993 ms  1.298 ms  1.290 ms
 3  69.30.235.1 (69.30.235.1)  17.081 ms  1.292 ms  1.156 ms
 4  69.30.235.210 (69.30.235.210)  1.565 ms  1.506 ms  1.683 ms
 5  rrcs-67-53-162-197.west.biz.rr.com (67.53.162.197)  11.963 ms  11.797 ms  12.196 ms
 6  gig1-0-6.kscymordc-rtr1.rdc-kc.rr.com (24.94.160.41)  11.822 ms  12.124 ms  13.264 ms
 7  so5-1-1-chcgill3-rtr1.kc.rr.com (24.94.160.81)  13.306 ms  12.767 ms  11.672 ms
 8  xe-11-2-0.edge1.chicago2.level3.net (4.71.248.13)  11.528 ms xe-11-1-0.edge1.chicago2.level3.net (4.71.248.1)  16.266 ms xe-11-2-0.edge1.chicago2.level3.net (4.71.248.13)  21.313 ms
 9  ae-32-54.ebr2.chicago1.level3.net (4.68.101.126)  35.172 ms ae-31-53.ebr1.chicago1.level3.net (4.68.101.94)  38.764 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.chicago1.level3.net (4.68.101.30)  22.004 ms
10  ae-68.ebr3.chicago1.level3.net (4.69.134.58)  18.006 ms ae-78.ebr3.chicago1.level3.net (4.69.134.62)  12.848 ms ae-68.ebr3.chicago1.level3.net (4.69.134.58)  15.717 ms
11  ae-3.ebr2.denver1.level3.net (4.69.132.61)  36.438 ms  27.791 ms  33.263 ms
12  ae-2.ebr2.seattle1.level3.net (4.69.132.53)  50.575 ms  301.273 ms  92.785 ms
13  ae-23-52.car3.seattle1.level3.net (4.68.105.36)  62.623 ms ae-23-54.car3.seattle1.level3.net (4.68.105.100)  59.977 ms ae-23-56.car3.seattle1.level3.net (4.68.105.164)  63.472 ms
14  big-pipe-in.car3.seattle1.level3.net (4.71.152.26)  60.835 ms  59.252 ms  56.127 ms
15  rc1wh-pos14-0-0.vc.shawcable.net (66.163.76.1)  84.739 ms  97.882 ms  50.559 ms
16  rc1so-pos1-0-0.cg.shawcable.net (66.163.77.198)  72.259 ms  72.993 ms  71.823 ms
17  rc2nr-pos11-0-0.wp.shawcable.net (66.163.77.158)  113.353 ms  121.147 ms  97.157 ms
18  dx1sj-g15.wp.shawcable.net (64.59.181.137)  89.205 ms  88.579 ms  88.646 ms
19  * * *
20  * *
skywing@valera:~$


13-15 seconds to serve up pages definitely is not good.  However, not showing much in the way of latency spikes.

Like iago said, there are really nasty conditions out right now. That might be affecting it.

[Camel]

The internet is pass/fail; weather may cause more people to use the internet, but that would reflect in the ping times. The problem Skywing is seeing most likely has nothing to do with iago's internet connection.

[Killer360]

The internet is pass/fail; weather may cause more people to use the internet, but that would reflect in the ping times. The problem Skywing is seeing most likely has nothing to do with iago's internet connection.

Well then it's skywing's problem... almost everyone in western Canada uses Shaw as their ISP. 

[Quik]

The internet is pass/fail; weather may cause more people to use the internet, but that would reflect in the ping times. The problem Skywing is seeing most likely has nothing to do with iago's internet connection.

Well then it's skywing's problem... almost everyone in western Canada uses Shaw as their ISP. 

You completely didn't understand what he's saying. And I think if it was you're problem, you'd want something fixed too. I can honestly say that in my opinion, Skywing has contributed MUCH more to these forums then you have, with a fraction of your posts. I think it's only reasonable to try to solve issues with the forums so that valuable users can access at ease.

Also, I have noticed a bit of a slowdown when loading pages.

[iago]

Hmm, I might consider moving back to MTS, in this case. MTS is DSL, which is affected by neighbours a lot better. I'll give it a couple weeks to see if it improves, then look into switching.

[Killer360]

- I don't think he's having too much trouble if he's accessing the forums just fine.

But yeah, missing hops suck.

[Ergot]

Wow, so... according to his traceroute... it goes half way across the US then back half way across Canada. o_O

[Blaze]

It's good over here in Eastern Canada...

  1    18 ms    35 ms    16 ms  10.230.32.1
  2    16 ms    20 ms    24 ms  vl-201.gw03.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.90.161]
  3    <1 ms    31 ms    10 ms  te-6-1-0.gw01.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com [24.153.5.41]
  4    26 ms     9 ms     9 ms  so-3-0-0.gw02.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.80.130]
  5     8 ms    45 ms    35 ms  pos-4-0.igw01.front.phub.net.cable.rogers.com [64.71.240.53]
  6    20 ms    26 ms    27 ms  rc1sh-ge9-0-2.mt.shawcable.net [66.163.66.25]
  7    30 ms    31 ms    46 ms  rc1sc-pos13-0.wp.shawcable.net [66.163.76.74]
  8    55 ms    39 ms    40 ms  dx1sj-g15.wp.shawcable.net [64.59.181.137]
  9     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 10     *        *        *     Request timed out.

[iago]

There's definitely a problem at the server level, but I haven't tracked it down. :/

[rabbit]

It's fine for me, except that it's taking a stupidly long time to load stuff from a certain signature from sidoh.dark-wire.net....*cough*

[Sidoh]

It's fine for me, except that it's taking a stupidly long time to load stuff from a certain signature from sidoh.dark-wire.net....*cough*

ad block it.

[Newby]

I seem to have no issues.

[Blaze]

I seem to have no issues.

Same here.

[Sidoh]

I have intermittent latency sometimes, but it's not enough to bother me.

[rabbit]

It's fine for me, except that it's taking a stupidly long time to load stuff from a certain signature from sidoh.dark-wire.net....*cough*

ad block it.

I can't figure out what it is...

[iago]

It's fine for me, except that it's taking a stupidly long time to load stuff from a certain signature from sidoh.dark-wire.net....*cough*

ad block it.

I can't figure out what it is...

Adblock *sidoh*? It'll probably be worth it in the long run.

[rabbit]

I use his LaTeX, which is on sidoh.dark-wire.net.

[Sidoh]

I use his LaTeX, which is on sidoh.dark-wire.net.

It's on latex.sidoh.org.  I have another install on latex.ulkesh.sidoh.org which is on a much faster connection, but it has a few weird things I haven't fixed yet.

[Joe]

UBER K[tex]\epsilon[/tex]WL!