Northern Illinois University shooting

[CrAz3D]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/14/university.shooting/index.html

That's too bad.  If only those students had some sort of device that fires projectiles at a high velocity, maybe they could defend themselves with it. hmm

[rabbit]

Or maybe if the shooters didn't have some sort of device that fired projectiles at high velocities this never would have happened in the first place.

[CrAz3D]

That only works in an ideal world, which is far from what exists.

[MyndFyre]

Or maybe if the shooters didn't have some sort of device that fired projectiles at high velocities this never would have happened in the first place.

Yeah, we should have laws that prevent guns from being used to shoot people.  Because obviously, the law-breakers would obey THOSE.

[Blaze]

Or maybe if the shooters didn't have some sort of device that fired projectiles at high velocities this never would have happened in the first place.

Yeah, we should have laws that prevent guns from being used to shoot people.  Because obviously, the law-breakers would obey THOSE.

Restricting access to weapons would surely lower the amount of shootings, though.

All it takes is one craz3y guy with a concealed weapons permit and someone/something to make him upset for this to happen.  Now if that crazy guy couldn't just go down the street to a store that sells guns, it would certainly be more difficult for him to shoot up a school.

[MyndFyre]

Restricting access to weapons would surely lower the amount of shootings, though.

All it takes is one craz3y guy with a concealed weapons permit and someone/something to make him upset for this to happen.  Now if that crazy guy couldn't just go down the street to a store that sells guns, it would certainly be more difficult for him to shoot up a school.

He can't.  He has to already have the weapon.

[Warrior]

Yea, let's get it off the bat that no law would of changed this outcome in any meaningful way.
It's an unfortunate thing to happen, but people need to understand exactly that. These things happen.

Turning this into a large Gun debate spectacle for the sake of arguing is a disrespect to the affected families.

[Ender]

I agree that the gun debate should not be in this thread.

[BigAznDaddy]

I agree that the gun debate should not be in this thread.

agreed now moment of silence for those that passed away *silence*

k now this is the second fatal school shooting in a year wtf. something needs to be done. and guns although i like trained people to have them do not seem to be the answer on campuses. now instead students should carry tazers now that may have an impact....

[Hitmen]

don't tase me bro!

[CrAz3D]

Or maybe if the shooters didn't have some sort of device that fired projectiles at high velocities this never would have happened in the first place.

Yeah, we should have laws that prevent guns from being used to shoot people.  Because obviously, the law-breakers would obey THOSE.

Restricting access to weapons would surely lower the amount of shootings, though.

All it takes is one craz3y guy with a concealed weapons permit and someone/something to make him upset for this to happen.  Now if that crazy guy couldn't just go down the street to a store that sells guns, it would certainly be more difficult for him to shoot up a school.

Statistics show that people with concealed carry permits are far less likely to be involved in a violent crime than a person without.



Warrior, the only laws that would change this is allowing students to carry on campus.  Even if ALL manufacturing of guns was prohibited, someone would do it anyway.  Allowing guns everywhere is the only other law that might change this situation.



BigAznDaddy, how many school shootings have happened this YEAR though?  Like 5 I think?  A couple of school bus ones, a couple of high school ones, and now this university.  Cops OBVIOUSLY cannot protect us so we should be allowed to protect ourselves.
*also* I did already say my prayers and thoughts for those involved in this tragedy

[Warrior]

Warrior, the only laws that would change this is allowing students to carry on campus.  Even if ALL manufacturing of guns was prohibited, someone would do it anyway.  Allowing guns everywhere is the only other law that might change this situation.

That wouldn't really do much except increase how easy it is to get the gun in the hand of the shooter.
The shooter is probably going to off himself when he's done anyway, what makes you think that you'll have time to react while he's on his rampage?

The answer is to accept that these things can, and will happen. The best thing to do is put in measures to get rapid response in the event of something like this. This includes enforcing tighter lockdown rules, drilling more often, and overall getting the awareness into the minds of the students.

[CrAz3D]

Warrior, the only laws that would change this is allowing students to carry on campus.  Even if ALL manufacturing of guns was prohibited, someone would do it anyway.  Allowing guns everywhere is the only other law that might change this situation.

That wouldn't really do much except increase how easy it is to get the gun in the hand of the shooter.
The shooter is probably going to off himself when he's done anyway, what makes you think that you'll have time to react while he's on his rampage?

Chances that a person can react is WAY better if they HAVE a way to react other than being a sitting duck.

[MyndFyre]

Statistics show that people with concealed carry permits are far less likely to be involved in a violent crime than a person without.

{{fact}}

[iago]

In Canada, guns are strictly controlled, but not illegal. However, it is easy enough for criminals to buy them, of course, because they can easily be smuggled in from the United States. In other words, the illegal (by Canada's laws) sale of guns in the US is directly hurting Canada.

Did you know that the US is one of the top violators of Canadian weapon laws?

So I think that the US should start following Canada's laws.

(Then we'll start following your copyright laws)

(For any humour impaired, I'm joking)

Statistics show that people with concealed carry permits are far less likely to be involved in a violent crime than a person without.^{citation needed}