Canada becomes one of the top 3 copyright violators in the world!

[Ender]

Every illegal download IS a lost sale of that song.
If the person wanted two copies of the song they could buy it on iTunes and buy the CD, preventing that loss.

No, not true.

Example:

I owned a CD.

During a move, the CD broke because a futon was dropped on it.

Isn't it my right to still listen to that music?

natural right? legal right?

Since if you chose to follow the law you would probably buy it again (you wanted it before, what's different now?) it is a lost sale for them.

[Hitmen]

That's a somewhat specious argument because there's no way to prove what you would or wouldn't have purchased. It's based on faulty premise.

Just like there is no way to prove that each download is a lost sale?

[iago]

That's a somewhat specious argument because there's no way to prove what you would or wouldn't have purchased. It's based on faulty premise.

Well, I can safely say that I wouldn't have even _heard_ of 95% of what I have if it wasn't for downloading random metal stuff from friends. And of that stuff, I have bought at least a dozen albums of my favouite ones, and I have gone to dozens of concerts and bought a bunch of merchandise from those bands.

If I hadn't ever heard of those bands (which I guarantee would be the case), then those bands likely would never have gotten my money.

The only time this thing doesn't hold is for the top 50 or so bands that are played on the radio/on bars/in movies/etc. They'll get a lot of sales because they have a big push behind them. But all the smaller bands who don't get radio time would be unheard of to me.

[Joe]

Doesn't the right go along with the media device?  Like Windows ... if you want to use it on another computer at different times you need another copy.

Which media device are we discussing here?  I was talking about a disc, not a player.

Sure, if you have the technology to glue the CD back together and all. =).

That's retarded.

I dont know how media rights works ... I guess this thread should end (at least this discussion) until someone comes up with actual laws

The right doesn't go with the media, the right goes with the license. If it went with the media, when you scratch your Windows installation disk, you wouldn't be allowed to use Windows anymore.


Also, excuse yet another reference to Metallica, but here's a quote from one of the biggest selling bands of all time.

"I don't mind people downloading the songs... Just not until the album's actually out."

"The song, "I Disappear" got leaked out before we actually finished it all. I was just like Whoa!"

[CrAz3D]

But does the license allow for duplication of the media?

[MyndFyre]

Well, I can safely say that I wouldn't have even _heard_ of 95% of what I have if it wasn't for downloading random metal stuff from friends. And of that stuff, I have bought at least a dozen albums of my favouite ones, and I have gone to dozens of concerts and bought a bunch of merchandise from those bands.

Anecdotal evidence: not statistically useful. 

[iago]

Well, I can safely say that I wouldn't have even _heard_ of 95% of what I have if it wasn't for downloading random metal stuff from friends. And of that stuff, I have bought at least a dozen albums of my favouite ones, and I have gone to dozens of concerts and bought a bunch of merchandise from those bands.

Anecdotal evidence: not statistically useful. 

Fine by me! We'll stay with our good laws, and you guys can keep your bad ones.

[rabbit]

Can we have your good ones?

[iago]

No, but how about we let you keep William Shatner and Jim Carrey, and call it even?

[Rule]

No, but how about we let you keep William Shatner and Jim Carrey, and call it even?

http://www.youtube.com/v/v7q6tI9gohM

I think you want this guy. 

[leet_muffin]

No, but how about we let you keep William Shatner and Jim Carrey, and call it even?

What about Gary Busey, do we get him, too?

[MyndFyre]

No, but how about we let you keep William Shatner and Jim Carrey, and call it even?

What about Gary Busey, do we get him, too?

PLEASE NO.