Screwy justice system

[CrAz3D]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/21/wife.dismembered.ap/index.html

That dude got 50 years.

While I was taking care of my "racing on the highways" ticket I saw a kid get 4 days and nearly $500 in fines for smoking pot (we're not talking dealing or possession of an obscene amount, we're talking about a college kid smoking pot).


Things are so screwed up.

[iago]

So a man was sentenced for basically his whole life killing his wife.

Another man was given a fairly small sentence for breaking another crime.

I fail to see the problem?

[Blaze]

He sure wouldn't get 50 years in Canada, and probably with a new Judge/Jury he'd get much less in the States too.

So, if you plan to murder your wife, make sure you're Canadian (and in Canada)!  Wait..

[CrAz3D]

So a man was sentenced for basically his whole life killing his wife.

Another man was given a fairly small sentence for breaking another crime.

I fail to see the problem?

he should get the guillotine, or the kid should get nothing (I have issues with victimless crimes)

[iago]

he should get the guillotine, or the kid should get nothing (I have issues with victimless crimes)

So you're suggesting punishing a person who broke the law illegally, and not punishing another?

Something is definitely screwy..

[CrAz3D]

he should get the guillotine, or the kid should get nothing (I have issues with victimless crimes)

So you're suggesting punishing a person who broke the law illegally, and not punishing another?

Something is definitely screwy..

I'm suggesting the law the kid was charged under is unjust and unconstitutional.  Look at Roe v. Wade, it took a crime and made it ok under the guise of "privacy" ... I say do the same for (some) drug crimes

[iago]

I'm suggesting the law the kid was charged under is unjust and unconstitutional.  Look at Roe v. Wade, it took a crime and made it ok under the guise of "privacy" ... I say do the same for (some) drug crimes

So you disagree with a law. Bring it up somewhere that matters. Until then, expect people to get punished the way they're supposed to get punished.

4 days for a drug user vs. 50 years for a murderer.. that's about 4600x as harsh of a sentence.

[CrAz3D]

...for a crime that is infinitely more heinous



This is a place for discussion, and since I created the discussion about this topic, this is a fine place for it.

[abc]

It's hard to argue points on this as you can tell by the marijuana discussion on the vL thread.

I personally think that for a kid smoking marijuana ... the punishment shouldn't be too big, as of a murder that's a whole new story.

[iago]

infinitely more heinous? So are all punishments measured by the heinousness of a crime? Because last time I checked, drinking and driving is a pretty severe crime, and it's not the least bit "shockingly brutal or cruel".

[iago]

I personally think that for a kid smoking marijuana ... the punishment shouldn't be too big, as of a murder that's a whole new story.

And that's exactly what happened.

[Hitmen]

So you're suggesting punishing a person who broke the law illegally, and not punishing another?

Are you trying to suggest that there are legal ways to break the law?

[abc]

So you're suggesting punishing a person who broke the law illegally, and not punishing another?

Are you trying to suggest that there are legal ways to break the law?

I don't know if he is suggesting that, but their are definitely "legal" ways to do "crimes".

[CrAz3D]

So you're suggesting punishing a person who broke the law illegally, and not punishing another?

Are you trying to suggest that there are legal ways to break the law?

I don't know if he is suggesting that, but their are definitely "legal" ways to do "crimes".

No there aren't, that's why they're crimes.

infinitely more heinous? So are all punishments measured by the heinousness of a crime? Because last time I checked, drinking and driving is a pretty severe crime, and it's not the least bit "shockingly brutal or cruel".

Punishments should be relative to the crime, otherwise it is unjust.

[abc]

So you're suggesting punishing a person who broke the law illegally, and not punishing another?

Are you trying to suggest that there are legal ways to break the law?

I don't know if he is suggesting that, but their are definitely "legal" ways to do "crimes".

No there aren't, that's why they're crimes.

infinitely more heinous? So are all punishments measured by the heinousness of a crime? Because last time I checked, drinking and driving is a pretty severe crime, and it's not the least bit "shockingly brutal or cruel".

Punishments should be relative to the crime, otherwise it is unjust.

Murder is a crime, you'd agree?

[BigAznDaddy]

Both criminals got what they deserved. whats the so whats the problem?

[CrAz3D]

Dale, yes, murder is a crime...I know where you're going, though.  Homicide ISN'T always a crime.

[abc]

Dale, yes, murder is a crime...I know where you're going, though.  Homicide ISN'T always a crime.

No, that wasn't where I was going, but wouldn't you call killing in a war, murder? I mean it's killing, but it's legal.

Also,

On a side note, if you don't believe that our country has hit men, then you should open your eyes, also, what about self defense?

[CrAz3D]

During war, it's still homicide.  Murder is a crime, always.

Self defense isn't murder, it's homicide.

Hit men/CIA ops/whatever are government agents acting under the confines of the law that justify their homicides.  Therefore, no murder.




Homicide is only murder if it is an unlawful killing.  Self defense, war, and assassinations are lawful (assassinations you might be able to take issues with, but that's a hugely complex things of international law and treaty)

[abc]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=murder
1.   Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.

I'm sorry but this definition matches murder as killing another human being which is exactly what war, and assassinations are.

[Hitmen]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=murder
1.   Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.

I'm sorry but this definition matches murder as killing another human being which is exactly what war, and assassinations are.

...huh?

1.   Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.

[abc]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=murder
1.   Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.

I'm sorry but this definition matches murder as killing another human being which is exactly what war, and assassinations are.

...huh?

1.   Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.

Assassinations aren't covered by law, they're still illegal, it's just something we don't hear about...

[Newby]

Hit men/CIA ops/whatever are government agents acting under the confines of the law that justify their homicides.  Therefore, no murder.

Actually, they're not acting within the confinements of the law. That's why they're secretive about it. Murder is murder, regardless of the circumstances. Whether punishment is needed or not can be a circumstantial thing, but killing someone in self-defense, anger, passion, whatever, is killing someone.

How do homicide and murder differ, by the way? According to Wikipedia [link] it's Murder.

[CrAz3D]

While all murder is homicide, not all homicide is murder

[Krazed]

Who fucking cares? Jesus. I'm sorry but this is like the tenth stupid topic lately crazed.

[CrAz3D]

And you having the flu is so much more entertaining 

[rabbit]

Actually, it is.

[Explicit]

Actually, it is.

[Newby]

While all murder is homicide, not all homicide is murder

My link said homicide was murder. Explain it.

[CrAz3D]

YOUR LINK says "criminal homicide" includes murder ... the same link says homicide isn't always illegal

[Newby]

YOUR LINK says "criminal homicide" includes murder ... the same link says homicide isn't always illegal

Wasn't going for legality. Hell, did you read my post?

Murder is murder, regardless of the circumstances. Whether punishment is needed or not can be a circumstantial thing, but killing someone in self-defense, anger, passion, whatever, is killing someone.

[CrAz3D]

To be fair, you said read the link you posted

Hit men/CIA ops/whatever are government agents acting under the confines of the law that justify their homicides.  Therefore, no murder.

Actually, they're not acting within the confinements of the law. That's why they're secretive about it. Murder is murder, regardless of the circumstances. Whether punishment is needed or not can be a circumstantial thing, but killing someone in self-defense, anger, passion, whatever, is killing someone.

How do homicide and murder differ, by the way? According to Wikipedia [link] it's Murder.

The only disputable is whether assassination is murder.  Self defense and war is not murder as it is not illegal.

[Newby]

To be fair, you said read the link you posted

Did you?

YOUR LINK says "criminal homicide" includes murder ... the same link says homicide isn't always illegal

Non-criminal homicide

    Main article: Justifiable homicide

Homicides do not always involve a crime. Sometimes the law allows homicide by allowing certain defenses to criminal charges. One of the most recognized is self defense, which provides that a person is entitled to commit homicide to protect his or her own life from a deadly attack.

What's this "commit homicide" act? Read the first line of the article.

Homicide ... refers to the act of killing another human being.^[1]

[iago]

It's so relative. If you go to Iraq and kill somebody, whose laws do you follow?

[CrAz3D]

Non-criminal homicide

    Main article: Justifiable homicide

Homicides do not always involve a crime. Sometimes the law allows homicide by allowing certain defenses to criminal charges. One of the most recognized is self defense, which provides that a person is entitled to commit homicide to protect his or her own life from a deadly attack.

What's this "commit homicide" act? Read the first line of the article.

Homicide ... refers to the act of killing another human being.^[1]

Committing homicide is the act of killing a person ... that isn't necessarily murder.  Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of a person

[Krazed]

And you having the flu is so much more entertaining 

Hmm.. Member forums, general, tiny bit of a difference.

[iago]

Committing homicide is the act of killing a person ... that isn't necessarily murder.  Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of a person

By some definition of "UNLAWFUL".

[Newby]

Committing homicide is the act of killing a person ... that isn't necessarily murder.  Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of a person

How do homicide and murder differ, by the way? According to Wikipedia [link] it's Murder.

So we took an entire page (15 posts) to get the answer to a simple question. Hooray!

[CrAz3D]

I've said that so many times