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Salvia Divinorum!
« on: May 31, 2008, 11:15:28 pm »
If you don't know anything about it:

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Psychedelic experiences are necessarily somewhat subjective and variations in reported effects are to be expected. Aside from individual reported experiences there has been a limited amount of published work summarising the effects. D.M. Turner’s book “Salvinorin—The Psychedelic Essence of Salvia Divinorum” quotes Daniel Siebert’s summarisation, mentioning that the effects may include:[36]
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    * Uncontrollable laughter
    * Past memories, such as revisiting places from childhood memory
    * Sensations of motion, or being pulled or twisted by forces
    * Visions of membranes, films and various two-dimensional surfaces
    * Merging with or becoming objects
    * Overlapping realities, such as the perception of being in several locations at once

A survey of salvia users found that 38% described the effects as unique. 23% said the effects were like yoga, meditation or trance.[37]

So, a few days ago I went out and purchased some Salvia extract with a few friends who are eighteen. We paid about $50 for a gram and If I recall correctly (I'll have to check on the package when I see my friend [if the package even tells]) the potency of the extract is 20x. This comming weekend (The 6th or the 7th) would be my very first time trying Salvia and I'm pretty interested in it's effects and how it effects people. I've read an extreme amount on the drug, I won't do anything potentially dangerous or mysterious unless I've done my share of research, I guess I'm funny like that.

Anyway, I searched the forum for anything about Salvia, and scanned through, and I wanted to let you guys know I'm going to probably record all of my trip and write down everything after and share it with everyone.

Has anyone done this recently and tell me what to expect that you didn't already read before you tried it?

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2008, 11:19:48 pm »
Yeah, you're still foolish, even if you did your homework.  Not telling you what to do, just telling what I think about people who do shit like this.  Whether it's legal or illegal doesn't matter.  I just find it foolish to intentionally submit your body to substances like this.  I'm a hypocrite though, I will get a tattoo but won't do drugs.  So eh.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2008, 11:24:50 pm »
lol, Towelie.
And like a fool I believed myself, and thought I was somebody else...

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2008, 11:28:21 pm »
Yeah, you're still foolish, even if you did your homework.  Not telling you what to do, just telling what I think about people who do shit like this.  Whether it's legal or illegal doesn't matter.  I just find it foolish to intentionally submit your body to substances like this.  I'm a hypocrite though, I will get a tattoo but won't do drugs.  So eh.

What's your justification for calling him foolish?

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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2008, 11:44:49 pm »
Only lasts for a little bit, ehhhhish, shrug try it see if you like it.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2008, 12:01:34 am »
tried it once didnt really feel anything.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2008, 12:35:45 am »
$50 for 1g of 20x? You got ripped hardcore. Out here you can get 1g of 60x for like... $40. Ask towelie, he's the dude who bought it for his birthday. :P
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2008, 12:38:31 am »
Yeah, you're still foolish, even if you did your homework.  Not telling you what to do, just telling what I think about people who do shit like this.  Whether it's legal or illegal doesn't matter.  I just find it foolish to intentionally submit your body to substances like this.  I'm a hypocrite though, I will get a tattoo but won't do drugs.  So eh.

Why foolish? Because I find this fascinating how drugs manipulate the human mind, emotion and body? Yes, too much curiosity can be bad, however... Other then potential risk of hurting yourself Salvia doesn't harm you.

Only lasts for a little bit, ehhhhish, shrug try it see if you like it.

Yeah, about 30 minute to an hour, is when it all wears off completely.. the most intense time is about 5-10 minutes... Still pretty neat though. We'll see how it goes. :)

tried it once didnt really feel anything.

Yeah, about 10% of people tend to not get affected by it for some reason... however, that may night be your case, you might not of tried a high enough potency or not held it in long enough.

$50 for 1g of 20x? You got ripped hardcore. Out here you can get 1g of 60x for like... $40. Ask towelie, he's the dude who bought it for his birthday. :P

I think it's 20x, I asked my friend when she got on facebook and she said it doesn't even say on the package... for some reason they rate theirs by colour... It's uh "Salvia Zone: Red" it's one step below purple, and purple is the second most potent apparently... Like I said, from what I've read I've always read about the 'x' not color. ::)


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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2008, 01:33:14 am »
Yeah drugs are amazing. being high is the tits

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 05:23:02 am »
I've done 60x extract, and despite what trust said about it I was slammed with a trip. Basically, if you do it right, expect to be thrown out of reality (in fact you will forget about reality), and into a trip. It was the most (or one of the most) intense experiences of my life. I was out of it for a good 10 minutes, and was in touch with reality after that, and I could feel the effects for ~1 hour. The trip will hit you right away, so be ready for that. Most people have trips that involve some sort of spinning lol. Sorry if what I wrote is a little choppy, I'm sleep deprived and its late at night :D.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 05:54:08 am »
Salvia is awesome. I really enjoy a short trip every now and then with little side-effects, and salvia is perfect for the job.

I've probably "walked in the void" on salvia ~10 times, and I'm beginning to notice that all my trips are almost exactly the same.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2008, 06:26:55 am »
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2008, 11:14:08 am »
so is this really saliva?

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2008, 11:20:45 am »
so is this really saliva?
I sure hope he doesn't intend to smoke saliva..

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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2008, 12:23:53 pm »
so is this really saliva?
I sure hope he doesn't intend to smoke saliva..


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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2008, 02:45:24 pm »
so is this really saliva?
I sure hope he doesn't intend to smoke saliva..


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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2008, 03:21:32 pm »
For the record, Salvia can't make you "trip," as the term comes from Tryptamine, which does not exist in Salvia.

It gave me the pins+needles sensation for about a minute and a half, and then went away. The experience was entirely unimpressive; you'd probably have to pay me to do it again. You'd be better of spending your money on getting drunk.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2008, 03:24:44 pm »
For the record, Salvia can't make you "trip," as the term comes from Tryptamine, which does not exist in Salvia.

It gave me the pins+needles sensation for about a minute and a half, and then went away. The experience was entirely unimpressive; you'd probably have to pay me to do it again. You'd be better of spending your money on getting drunk.

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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2008, 03:34:18 pm »
For the record, Salvia can't make you "trip," as the term comes from Tryptamine, which does not exist in Salvia.

It gave me the pins+needles sensation for about a minute and a half, and then went away. The experience was entirely unimpressive; you'd probably have to pay me to do it again. You'd be better of spending your money on getting drunk.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2008, 03:42:31 pm »
Haha, the part about uncontrollable laughter is definitely true, after only like 3 hits you'll probably be unable to stop. Remember to use a torch lighter btw.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2008, 03:45:48 pm »
For the record, Salvia can't make you "trip," as the term comes from Tryptamine, which does not exist in Salvia.

It gave me the pins+needles sensation for about a minute and a half, and then went away. The experience was entirely unimpressive; you'd probably have to pay me to do it again. You'd be better of spending your money on getting drunk.
You obviously didn't do it right. You failed at doing it, don't advise him against it.

Haha, the part about uncontrollable laughter is definitely true, after only like 3 hits you'll probably be unable to stop. Remember to use a torch lighter btw.
What I'm about to say is very important for you, if you want to actually trip:

1. Use a torch lighter!
2. Hold the smoke in! It should only take ONE hit to get you to trip, so don't blow your smoke out for any reason. I only blew mine out because the trip hit... like a train
3. Breathe out before you hit, slowly hit it until you can't breathe in anymore. You'll need enough Salvia packed to do this, and also a water filtration devise to smoke out of. Make sure you're constantly torching the salvia. Don't worry, this smoke is actually very smooth

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2008, 03:54:53 pm »
For the record, Salvia can't make you "trip," as the term comes from Tryptamine, which does not exist in Salvia.

It gave me the pins+needles sensation for about a minute and a half, and then went away. The experience was entirely unimpressive; you'd probably have to pay me to do it again. You'd be better of spending your money on getting drunk.
You obviously didn't do it right. You failed at doing it, don't advise him against it.
Perhaps he purchased the wrong kind of Salvia?

On the plus side, he can use what's left for baking.

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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2008, 05:22:04 pm »
so is this really saliva?
I sure hope he doesn't intend to smoke saliva..


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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2008, 07:55:41 pm »
For the record, Salvia can't make you "trip," as the term comes from Tryptamine, which does not exist in Salvia.

It gave me the pins+needles sensation for about a minute and a half, and then went away. The experience was entirely unimpressive; you'd probably have to pay me to do it again. You'd be better of spending your money on getting drunk.
You obviously didn't do it right. You failed at doing it, don't advise him against it.

Haha, the part about uncontrollable laughter is definitely true, after only like 3 hits you'll probably be unable to stop. Remember to use a torch lighter btw.
What I'm about to say is very important for you, if you want to actually trip:

1. Use a torch lighter!
2. Hold the smoke in! It should only take ONE hit to get you to trip, so don't blow your smoke out for any reason. I only blew mine out because the trip hit... like a train
3. Breathe out before you hit, slowly hit it until you can't breathe in anymore. You'll need enough Salvia packed to do this, and also a water filtration devise to smoke out of. Make sure you're constantly torching the salvia. Don't worry, this smoke is actually very smooth

Thanks!, That clarified a few things. I definitely plan on using a water bong.

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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2008, 08:07:16 pm »
The recent I didn't feel anything is because it was pretty much cashed. I didn't want to do it at first, so my two friends did it out of my pipe. The one tripped, and the other has fucked up lungs and didn't inhale right so he just kept taking hits and not inhaling. I figured I'd give it a go but it was basically cashed because of the guy who couldnt inhale. It's not really a drug I'm too enthusiastic about trying again though, but if it's around then maybe.

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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2008, 03:02:07 pm »
I've tried it at least five times, it has never done anything for me. When I did it, I bought some 35x from a local smoke shop, and I used a little bubbler, and I cooked the shit out of it, held it 'til I started to get blue lips. Nothing happened. :-\  I know more people that have not had any effects from it than people that have had "trips" because of it. Given the choice of having an extra $50, I'd buy an eighth of weed. I like pot because it always gets me high, salvia is batting a nice round zero.

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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2008, 04:26:17 pm »
I've tried it at least five times, it has never done anything for me. When I did it, I bought some 35x from a local smoke shop, and I used a little bubbler, and I cooked the shit out of it, held it 'til I started to get blue lips. Nothing happened. :-\  I know more people that have not had any effects from it than people that have had "trips" because of it. Given the choice of having an extra $50, I'd buy an eighth of weed. I like pot because it always gets me high, salvia is batting a nice round zero.

Used a torch lighter? Also, you need to use alot of salvia. @35x, you should be using about a good sized bowl. Much more than weed.
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2008, 07:19:06 pm »
I've tried it at least five times, it has never done anything for me. When I did it, I bought some 35x from a local smoke shop, and I used a little bubbler, and I cooked the shit out of it, held it 'til I started to get blue lips. Nothing happened. :-\  I know more people that have not had any effects from it than people that have had "trips" because of it. Given the choice of having an extra $50, I'd buy an eighth of weed. I like pot because it always gets me high, salvia is batting a nice round zero.

Used a torch lighter? Also, you need to use alot of salvia. @35x, you should be using about a good sized bowl. Much more than weed.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2008, 09:40:37 pm »
I don't get the appeal of doing drugs.  Maybe it's because I don't like to feel out of control and helpless.
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« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2008, 10:22:18 pm »
I don't get the appeal of doing drugs.  Maybe it's because I don't like to feel out of control and helpless.

If that was in response to my earlier post (which was a response to your original post), it's a poor answer.  Not enjoying something yourself is a crappy reason for criticizing people who participate in said activity.

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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2008, 01:17:23 am »
I don't get the appeal of doing drugs.  Maybe it's because I don't like to feel out of control and helpless.
Not many drugs do that you know :P

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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2008, 09:48:58 pm »
You obviously didn't do it right. You failed at doing it, don't advise him against it.

Perhaps he purchased the wrong kind of Salvia?

Negative; among the five of us, one tripped nuts, two (including myself) had a mildly unpleasant reaction, and the other two had no reaction at all. We were smoking 20x extract from a quarter oz bowl in a bong with a torch lighter. Furthermore, I've done it twice - the second time I was drinking it in tea, for the "ritualistic" purpose of getting fucked up - and I had the exact same reaction both times, though it was far less intense and lasted far longer when I drank the tea.

There was no failure or miscommunication; the stuff just doesn't affect me the way it does some people, and I'm among the majority in that regard.

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« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2008, 01:21:18 am »
It is true that Salvia has no effect on some people, but at the same time, I have yet to see a statistic saying that they were in the majority, but I have seen statistics to say contrary.
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« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2008, 07:25:29 am »
I was about to cite a source, and then I realize that it was just worded in a way that made it sound like the majority of people do not have a hallucinogenic response.

In any case, I've spoken to roughly 15 people about this, and of those only 4 or 5 were. It isn't statistically significant, but 75% of statistics are made up on the spot anyways.

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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2008, 08:06:02 am »
75% of statistics are made up on the spot anyways.
9/10 of people know that.

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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2008, 08:22:57 am »
75% of statistics are made up on the spot anyways.
9/10 of people know that.

78.7% of people don't care

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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2008, 02:58:01 pm »
75% of statistics are made up on the spot anyways.
9/10 of people know that.

78.7% of people don't care

84% false.
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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2008, 03:12:28 pm »
75% of statistics are made up on the spot anyways.
9/10 of people know that.

78.7% of people don't care

84% false.
64% true.

Quiz: In a room with 1000 people, according to these stats, how many care?

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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2008, 03:22:22 pm »
At least 4%
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« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2008, 02:31:57 pm »
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« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2008, 11:18:00 pm »
Sounds crazy, I'll have to try it some time.
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« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2008, 11:31:50 pm »
Sounds crazy, I'll have to try it some time.

It's probably going to be my "new" pot, when I'm home (and planning on staying home) I'll smoke this, pot will be "on-the-go" type of things, since you can actually somewhat control laughter and limbs with weed lol.  :)

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« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2008, 11:35:58 pm »
Where do you get it? I'm considering ordering it online.

Do you use a torch lighter?
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« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2008, 11:45:11 pm »
 
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2008, 11:53:46 pm »
Sounds crazy, I'll have to try it some time.

It's probably going to be my "new" pot, when I'm home (and planning on staying home) I'll smoke this, pot will be "on-the-go" type of things, since you can actually somewhat control laughter and limbs with weed lol.  :)

that's pretty impractical since the duration of salvia compared to marijuana is substantially less, plus the effects are different.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2008, 12:25:42 am »
Yeah I'm wondering about your 2-3 hour trip because usually it lasts only minutes. Also, you've GOT to use a torch lighter, I've used both and the difference between the hits is definitely noticeable. And obviously when using a torch lighter you'd want to use a bong, because the smoke is gonna be hotter than I am.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2008, 03:32:02 am »
You must use a bong and torch lighter.

Dale, that sounds really sick. Make some sort of ritual out of it, though... Meditate for a hour before hand and get an epic trip
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2008, 02:52:05 pm »
Yeah I'm wondering about your 2-3 hour trip because usually it lasts only minutes. Also, you've GOT to use a torch lighter, I've used both and the difference between the hits is definitely noticeable. And obviously when using a torch lighter you'd want to use a bong, because the smoke is gonna be hotter than I am.

Actually, you really don't have to use a torch lighter on an extract apparently, because It definitely worked for me... and I tripped hard... and I used a normal marijuana pipe, the smoke was hot but I didn't puss out:)

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2008, 07:32:37 pm »
From here, "Use a torch-flame lighter. Many people report better results when using this type of lighter. These produce a very hot torch-like flame that causes rapid combustion of the smoking material and hence produces more concentrated smoke. Because of the extra heat generated by these devices, it is important to use them in conjunction with a water-cooled smoking device."

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2008, 09:01:32 pm »
From here, "Use a torch-flame lighter. Many people report better results when using this type of lighter. These produce a very hot torch-like flame that causes rapid combustion of the smoking material and hence produces more concentrated smoke. Because of the extra heat generated by these devices, it is important to use them in conjunction with a water-cooled smoking device."


That really gets me thinking, if I used a torch lighter, the trips would of been completely insane and I can hardly imagine.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2008, 09:28:56 pm »
Generally you only need a bong if you're using a torch lighter, the smoke shouldn't get too hot otherwise. Then again, from what I've heard -NOT- using a bong/torch lighter significantly reduces the trip you get.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2008, 10:10:32 pm »
Anybody have experience with gravity bong salvia hits?

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2008, 10:17:00 pm »
Anybody have experience with gravity bong salvia hits?

That's what I was going to do this time, but we didn't have a "grate" filter, so the extract would slip through the cap and wouldn't work... so we'll have to buy one before doing it.. My only thought Trust, was that it'd be a waste since you get so fucked up after like 1 hit... you'd fill the bottle full of smoke and take a hit and be out while the rest of the smoke settles and well... yeah

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« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2008, 10:18:05 pm »
for a filter take a pair of needle nose pliers or something and you can get the filter out of the sink faucet...there's several in there so taking it out doesn't affect anything and they're the perfect type and also fit into a normal pipe perfectly.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2008, 10:21:28 pm »
for a filter take a pair of needle nose pliers or something and you can get the filter out of the sink faucet...there's several in there so taking it out doesn't affect anything and they're the perfect type and also fit into a normal pipe perfectly.

Aw man, I can't believe I didn't think of that... That's perfect! Thanks!

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2008, 03:24:20 pm »
As far as salvia's concerned, you should only be taking one hit, really.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2008, 03:31:23 pm »
As far as salvia's concerned, you should only be taking one hit, really.


Why? That's if you can't handle the other effects.. Worst comes to worst you're going to black out.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2008, 03:36:01 pm »
As far as salvia's concerned, you should only be taking one hit, really.


Why? That's if you can't handle the other effects.. Worst comes to worst you're going to black out.

If you do it correctly, and aim for the level of effects that most people desire, you should only need one hit. I've done this several times, and only taken one hit each time, and have hallucinated to the point of not knowing what reality is almost every time. When you're at that point, it hits you before you even blow the smoke out, and you're utterly unable to talk, walk, or move,  much less put your mouth on a bong, and know how to operate it.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #60 on: June 10, 2008, 05:28:56 pm »
As far as salvia's concerned, you should only be taking one hit, really.


Why? That's if you can't handle the other effects.. Worst comes to worst you're going to black out.

If you do it correctly, and aim for the level of effects that most people desire, you should only need one hit. I've done this several times, and only taken one hit each time, and have hallucinated to the point of not knowing what reality is almost every time. When you're at that point, it hits you before you even blow the smoke out, and you're utterly unable to talk, walk, or move,  much less put your mouth on a bong, and know how to operate it.

Dunno, all I know is it was pretty sick and I hallucinated, but doesn't sound as intense as what you experienced.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #61 on: June 10, 2008, 05:46:10 pm »
Due to the absence of a torchlighter and holding the smoke in for extended periods of time.

You need to hit it with a torch lighter and hold in the smoke for about half a minute
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2008, 06:05:55 pm »
Due to the absence of a torchlighter and holding the smoke in for extended periods of time.

You need to hit it with a torch lighter and hold in the smoke for about half a minute

Yeah. If you do it right, the only reason you blow your smoke out from the FIRST hit is because the trip hits you like a train haha.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2008, 02:28:01 am »
Where do you get it? I'm considering ordering it online.

Do you use a torch lighter?

Since it's usually sold as incense (since it is a gray area as to whether it's legal to sell it for the purpose of getting high), probably any shop that sells incense.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2008, 04:43:40 am »
i love how iago, sidoh, and i have to use urban dictionary to keep up with this thread ;-)

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2008, 08:28:43 am »
i love how iago, sidoh, and i have to use urban dictionary to keep up with this thread ;-)
I don't know what you're talking about, but I haven't used urban dictionary. I used wikipedia for one link (to the non-drug), but that's it.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2008, 08:50:11 am »
Where do you get it? I'm considering ordering it online.

Do you use a torch lighter?

Since it's usually sold as incense (since it is a gray area as to whether it's legal to sell it for the purpose of getting high), probably any shop that sells incense.
You might be sold the wrong salvia though if you do that. Every smoke shop I've been in has had it.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2008, 11:12:29 am »
I've never done Salvia, only multiple numbers of different strains of weed. I'm not all that interested in it though just because of this kind of effect.

If you could actually get anything done while under the effect I'd do it in a heart beat, but normally I like to actually be able to communicate with people while high, go for walks, or make something.

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« Reply #68 on: June 11, 2008, 04:33:10 pm »
I've never done Salvia, only multiple numbers of different strains of weed. I'm not all that interested in it though just because of this kind of effect.

If you could actually get anything done while under the effect I'd do it in a heart beat, but normally I like to actually be able to communicate with people while high, go for walks, or make something.

Well see, same here, If I plan on going out or have plans, I'll just smoke weed, but if I'm bored, or have nothing fun to do then I'll just do Salvia.

Where do you get it? I'm considering ordering it online.

Do you use a torch lighter?

Since it's usually sold as incense (since it is a gray area as to whether it's legal to sell it for the purpose of getting high), probably any shop that sells incense.

Pretty sure that's not the exact same Salvia.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2008, 09:17:21 pm »
They sell Salvia at head shops.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #70 on: June 12, 2008, 05:29:14 am »
I've never done Salvia, only multiple numbers of different strains of weed. I'm not all that interested in it though just because of this kind of effect.

If you could actually get anything done while under the effect I'd do it in a heart beat, but normally I like to actually be able to communicate with people while high, go for walks, or make something.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #71 on: June 14, 2008, 05:02:21 am »
You might be sold the wrong salvia though if you do that. Every smoke shop I've been in has had it.

I actually smoked 20x extract with a friend last night JUST to prove you wrong. My friend, who loves the stuff, was totally tripping nuts, and I had the exact same awful experience I had the last two times.

Why do you insist that everyone experiences the effect in a positive way? I'm perfectly capable of reading the label of what I'm buying, and if the fact that I've received it from three totally independent sources with the same results doesn't convince you of that, then you're just being thick. It's widely believed that MOST people do not have positive experiences from smoking it!

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #72 on: June 14, 2008, 11:53:52 am »
Why do you insist that everyone experiences the effect in a positive way? I'm perfectly capable of reading the label of what I'm buying, and if the fact that I've received it from three totally independent sources with the same results doesn't convince you of that, then you're just being thick. It's widely believed that MOST people do not have positive experiences from smoking it!
I don't think anybody insisted that; in fact, in on of the first posts somebody said that 10% of people experience nothing.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #73 on: June 14, 2008, 07:34:03 pm »
Ok, I'll give you that it wasn't insistent; I was referring to this post:
You obviously didn't do it right. You failed at doing it, don't advise him against it.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #74 on: June 14, 2008, 10:57:49 pm »
Edited away. I misread your post. :P.

What I was saying is just because you might have a bad experience doesn't mean he will. Everyone is different.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #75 on: June 14, 2008, 11:05:03 pm »
salvia is pretty cool, i guess... but have you guys ever tried crack?
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #76 on: June 15, 2008, 06:00:39 pm »
Crack is significantly more hardcore than salvia. Also, no I haven't. :P

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #77 on: June 15, 2008, 06:11:07 pm »
salvia is pretty cool, i guess... but have you guys ever tried crack?

crack is ghey try crystal methamphetamine.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #79 on: June 15, 2008, 06:18:01 pm »
Crack is significantly more hardcore than salvia. Also, no I haven't. :P


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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #80 on: June 15, 2008, 08:40:41 pm »
Crack is significantly more hardcore than salvia. Also, no I haven't. :P

I'm not really sure... I agree that cocaine is much worse for you, but as far as comparing the experiences of salvia to those of cocaine... I would say salvia has a much more intense peak, but dies out very quickly (it's about the same as smoked crack and about 10 mins less than snorted coke). I mean, a massive peak on salvia will have you seeing so many hallucinations that you can't even see anything really happening around you, whereas a massive hit of coke will have you a.) overdosing or b.) feeling really euphoric.

Though, I haven't done both of them, so I can't truly make an accurate judgement. (And I'm not willing to dabble with one in order to be able to do so.)
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #81 on: June 15, 2008, 08:46:25 pm »
Crack is significantly more hardcore than salvia. Also, no I haven't. :P



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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #82 on: June 15, 2008, 10:11:38 pm »
Crack is significantly more hardcore than salvia. Also, no I haven't. :P

I'm not really sure... I agree that cocaine is much worse for you, but as far as comparing the experiences of salvia to those of cocaine... I would say salvia has a much more intense peak, but dies out very quickly (it's about the same as smoked crack and about 10 mins less than snorted coke). I mean, a massive peak on salvia will have you seeing so many hallucinations that you can't even see anything really happening around you, whereas a massive hit of coke will have you a.) overdosing or b.) feeling really euphoric.

Though, I haven't done both of them, so I can't truly make an accurate judgement. (And I'm not willing to dabble with one in order to be able to do so.)

I kind of think it's a bad idea to talk about the effects of drugs on you when you've never done the drug.. :(

(My point is that drugs hit everyone a little different.)

My prom date was doing coke; she went through $800 in the weekend. She wasn't that bad, just sort of attention deficit, and talked really fast. But, Salvia did nothing to her.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #83 on: June 15, 2008, 10:15:42 pm »
My prom date was doing coke; she went through $800 in the weekend. She wasn't that bad, just sort of attention deficit, and talked really fast. But, Salvia did nothing to her.
That doesn't have anything to do with what he was saying.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #84 on: June 16, 2008, 01:03:57 am »
I'm only comparing the stories of the two drugs. I try not to factor in my own experiences from one of them.

The conclusion that I came to is that (when it works) salvia has a much more (in my opinion) intense peak than crack, with (as a fact) much less problematic after effects.
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« Reply #85 on: June 16, 2008, 01:11:49 am »
I'm only comparing the stories of the two drugs. I try not to factor in my own experiences from one of them.

The conclusion that I came to is that (when it works) salvia has a much more (in my opinion) intense peak than crack, with (as a fact) much less problematic after effects.
There aren't many drugs that are more intense than salvia haha. The only thing I can think of is DMT, but I don't know much about drugs. Even then, DMT might be about the same as salvia.

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« Reply #86 on: June 16, 2008, 03:55:46 am »
I'm only comparing the stories of the two drugs. I try not to factor in my own experiences from one of them.

The conclusion that I came to is that (when it works) salvia has a much more (in my opinion) intense peak than crack, with (as a fact) much less problematic after effects.
There aren't many drugs that are more intense than salvia haha. The only thing I can think of is DMT, but I don't know much about drugs. Even then, DMT might be about the same as salvia.

I'd agree. From what I've heard, DMT is basically a salvia trip that sets on slightly slower and lasts for ~30 mins to an hour. Epic.
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« Reply #87 on: June 16, 2008, 07:51:33 am »
And the kicker, you trip on DMT every time you fall asleep!

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« Reply #88 on: June 16, 2008, 11:44:41 am »
If you're going to assume that a psychoactive drug is inherantly "more intense" than a non-psychoactive drug, then you're absolutely correct. I'm not convinced that's the case, though; I might actually tend to agree with you, but I still think it's apples to oranges. In any case, I'd much prefer coke to salvia :P

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« Reply #89 on: June 16, 2008, 01:26:13 pm »
lol @ the general consensus being that salvia is more intense than crack.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #90 on: June 16, 2008, 03:08:23 pm »
If you're going to assume that a psychoactive drug is inherantly "more intense" than a non-psychoactive drug, then you're absolutely correct. I'm not convinced that's the case, though; I might actually tend to agree with you, but I still think it's apples to oranges. In any case, I'd much prefer coke to salvia :P
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2008, 10:00:35 pm »
100% of statistics are incorrect.

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« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2008, 10:24:54 pm »
100% of statistics are incorrect.

more generally, there is no truth.

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« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2008, 10:34:41 pm »
more generally, there is no truth.
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« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2008, 10:58:14 pm »
lol @ the general consensus being that salvia is more intense than crack.

I don't know about you, but I'm laughing at the fact that neither two drugs can be compared to each other.

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« Reply #95 on: June 16, 2008, 11:02:07 pm »
Dude, peanutbutter and jelly is like...1000000x more intense than a Volvo.

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« Reply #96 on: June 16, 2008, 11:16:46 pm »
Dude, peanutbutter and jelly is like...1000000x more intense than a Volvo.

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« Reply #97 on: June 17, 2008, 12:19:49 am »
yea... except that was way lame, and gay. same with all your profile quotes.
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« Reply #98 on: June 17, 2008, 02:00:25 pm »
yea... except that was way lame, and gay. same with all your profile quotes.

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« Reply #99 on: June 17, 2008, 10:51:11 pm »
yea... except that was way lame, and gay. same with all your profile quotes.

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« Reply #100 on: June 18, 2008, 07:04:46 am »
anyone tried whippits?

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« Reply #101 on: June 18, 2008, 12:50:40 pm »
anyone tried whippits?

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« Reply #102 on: June 18, 2008, 01:04:09 pm »
anyone tried whippits?
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« Reply #103 on: June 18, 2008, 05:40:26 pm »
anyone tried whippits?

Hahahah. Yes. Fun.

what's it like? thinking about trying it at a concert or something.

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« Reply #104 on: June 19, 2008, 02:52:56 am »
It's about ~30 seconds of uncontrollable laughter. I wouldn't really reccomend it for a concert, mostly because of the length.
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« Reply #105 on: June 19, 2008, 03:53:11 am »
Nitrous oxide (aka laughing gas) itself is unlikely to cause damage, but you could easily risk asphyxiation or sulfur dioxide poisoning using a whippit inhalant. 

On a (related) note, why does it seem that everyone on this forum is becoming a retarded drug user?

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« Reply #106 on: June 19, 2008, 04:00:05 am »
Whippets are fun. My roommate ordered a case of a brand called "Whip-it," used for whipped cream dispensers. I think it's one of those chicken/egg scenarios.

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« Reply #107 on: June 19, 2008, 08:19:34 am »
On a (related) note, why does it seem that everyone on this forum is becoming a retarded drug user?
Not everyone, but it seems to be getting pretty close.

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« Reply #108 on: June 19, 2008, 11:44:24 am »
Nitrous oxide (aka laughing gas) itself is unlikely to cause damage, but you could easily risk asphyxiation or sulfur dioxide poisoning using a whippit inhalant. 

On a (related) note, why does it seem that everyone on this forum is becoming a retarded drug user?

I saw this and was about to respond, but iago pretty much said word-for-word what I was thinking.
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« Reply #109 on: June 19, 2008, 03:25:49 pm »
Nitrous oxide (aka laughing gas) itself is unlikely to cause damage, but you could easily risk asphyxiation or sulfur dioxide poisoning using a whippit inhalant. 

On a (related) note, why does it seem that everyone on this forum is becoming a retarded drug user?


Why would you say "retarded" drug user?

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« Reply #110 on: June 19, 2008, 06:39:58 pm »
I wouldn't say becoming either, it's just people are talking about it more. Like I didn't post about it openly for a few years after my first time trying pot, which was in 9th grade. Plus people are all reaching that point in life where they don't really care what their internet buddies think, or if they'll be accepted by some clan or not. It's pointless.

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« Reply #111 on: June 19, 2008, 07:31:58 pm »
I wouldn't say becoming either, it's just people are talking about it more.

Becoming? Absolutely.  How recently did you try Salivia?  How much more often do you drink now than you did 2 years ago?  How much do you smoke pot now (e.g. within the last 6 months) compared to 2 years ago?  How much more likely are you try new drugs now, than 2 years ago? It may or may not be true that some are becoming more open about it (that probably depends on the person), but people here are also obviously becoming more heavy and frequent drug users.  I also get the sense that people almost take a certain pride in displaying knowledge about various drug paraphenilia etc.

I'm not saying everyone in this thread is a retard or is an irresponsible drug user.  But the general attitude I've been seeing is pretty retarded; it's not trying the drug that is (necessarily) retarded, but the way it is glorified, and the reckless way in which it is used (or abused).  Also the willingness to spend a great deal of money sucking on whipit cans in order to get a 20 second laugh at the risk of asyphyxiation or poisoning (or without even considering these risks) wreaks of idiocy; why don't you try listening to a really funny joke instead? The same goes with trying to chug 24 ounces of beer in a couple seconds.  It's undignified macho idiocy.  Drugs are a pretty small and uninteresting world, with the potential to do a lot of harm.

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« Reply #112 on: June 19, 2008, 08:23:30 pm »
we're young and it's fun. post-college I'm sure everybody's habits will be different.

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« Reply #113 on: June 19, 2008, 10:09:58 pm »
So you pretty much admitted you were wrong about the "not becoming", and this is your justification? 

we're young and it's fun

You know that's weak, and essentially drives home my initial point.  Being young doesn't make you invincible.  It's a common feeling most young people have, and it usually gets them in a lot of trouble.  I really do wish you the best with whatever, and hope you have fun... But a lot of what I'm reading seems pretty reckless.
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« Reply #114 on: June 19, 2008, 10:26:13 pm »
On a (related) note, why does it seem that everyone on this forum is becoming a retarded drug user?
It's 'cool' to drink/do drugs these days. I drank heavily/smoked pot for a period lasting maybe 4 months that ended over 3 years ago. I haven't looked back since.

But then again I play WoW, so I am probably worse off than before......
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« Reply #115 on: June 19, 2008, 10:40:21 pm »
I just popped 8 Coricidin's (Triple C's) with my gf, lets see how this trip goes. Will report back later.

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« Reply #116 on: June 19, 2008, 10:43:46 pm »
I just popped 8 Coricidin's (Triple C's) with my gf, lets see how this trip goes. Will report back later.

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« Reply #117 on: June 19, 2008, 11:13:34 pm »
But then again I play WoW, so I am probably worse off than before......
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« Reply #118 on: June 20, 2008, 12:53:48 am »
I just popped 8 Coricidin's (Triple C's) with my gf, lets see how this trip goes. Will report back later.

To all the rest:  some day this could be you. 
It's cough medicine, what're you talking about? My girlfriend bought it at the store for gods sake. I'm on it right now and everything's spinning, I don't even know if I'm typing correctly or not. I'll see tomorrow I guess. It's an awesome feeling though. So blurry and such. I feel like I'm flying. We just had sex and it was AMAZING.

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« Reply #119 on: June 20, 2008, 01:43:39 am »
It's cough medicine, what're you talking about? My girlfriend bought it at the store for gods sake.
Last I checked, being a retard had no correlation with where you got the drug.
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« Reply #120 on: June 20, 2008, 01:58:24 am »
It's cough medicine, what're you talking about? My girlfriend bought it at the store for gods sake.
Last I checked, being a retard had no correlation with where you got the drug.
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« Reply #121 on: June 20, 2008, 03:31:24 am »
Becoming? Absolutely.  How recently did you try Salivia?  How much more often do you drink now than you did 2 years ago?  How much do you smoke pot now (e.g. within the last 6 months) compared to 2 years ago?  How much more likely are you try new drugs now, than 2 years ago? It may or may not be true that some are becoming more open about it (that probably depends on the person), but people here are also obviously becoming more heavy and frequent drug users.  I also get the sense that people almost take a certain pride in displaying knowledge about various drug paraphenilia etc.

I'm not saying everyone in this thread is a retard or is an irresponsible drug user.  But the general attitude I've been seeing is pretty retarded; it's not trying the drug that is (necessarily) retarded, but the way it is glorified, and the reckless way in which it is used (or abused).  Also the willingness to spend a great deal of money sucking on whipit cans in order to get a 20 second laugh at the risk of asyphyxiation or poisoning (or without even considering these risks) wreaks of idiocy; why don't you try listening to a really funny joke instead? The same goes with trying to chug 24 ounces of beer in a couple seconds.  It's undignified macho idiocy.  Drugs are a pretty small and uninteresting world, with the potential to do a lot of harm.

Two years ago, I was in transition between my sophomore and junior years at college. I definitely did more drugs then, and was more willing to try new drugs then, and drink significantly less than I did that summer.

Your second paragraph screams of ignorance. You've bought in to the scare tactics that police officers use to keep impressionable children off of drugs. If you actually asphyxiate by sucking on a balloon filled with gas that isn't oxygen, then you are too stupid to draw breath. Whipits are incredibly cheap; while the effects of nitrous oxide are short-lived, the cost of obtaining the gas is proportionally priced; it is cheaper to remain high off of the gas than it is to gain a comparable high from marijuana, which is also affordable on a college student's low income.

If you are trying comparing being high to a funny joke, you've probably never been high. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to encourage that everyone goes out and tries drugs just because I have; that's certainly not the case. The police officer with the scare tactics has honorable intent, but doesn't mean he's telling the truth.


Forget it; the take-away is that I disagree with almost every single word you said; it's all propaganda.
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« Reply #122 on: June 20, 2008, 07:09:01 am »
So you pretty much admitted you were wrong about the "not becoming", and this is your justification? 

I guess. I didn't look at it from an increased-usage point-of-view like you were, but instead just using in general.


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I didn't mean we were invincible because we were young, I meant that because we're young and don't have many real responsibilities recreational substance use isn't as destructive. (i.e. it's not causing us to get divorces, lose our kids, lose our jobs, etc.)

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« Reply #123 on: June 20, 2008, 08:13:17 am »
I didn't mean we were invincible because we were young, I meant that because we're young and don't have many real responsibilities
I think that's one thing that bugs me -- when I was in university, I was working fulltime to pay for it while going to class. In addition to homework, that gave me basically 0 free time. That's why it bugs me when people's parents pay for their education, it feels so unfair.

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« Reply #124 on: June 20, 2008, 09:36:46 am »
That's why it bugs me when people's parents pay for their education, it feels so unfair.

It bugs me when people waste the eduction.  My parents pay for mine, but I take full advantage of the opportunity to grow my skills.  Not having to work allows me to focus as much as I need to on classes, which is exactly what I want.  I'll have plenty of time to figure out "the real world" when I'm not in classes (plus, I'm living on my own this summer).

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« Reply #125 on: June 20, 2008, 10:30:04 am »
You're an idiot, I'm sorry but you sir, fail.
I really do hope that you're one of the people that OD's on it and has a near-death experience just so you can realize how stupid you really are. And, coming from you of all people, I don't take your opinion that I'm stupid very highly. Go back to your drugs while I succeed in life.
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« Reply #126 on: June 20, 2008, 12:05:03 pm »
I have an aunt who spent a ton of time partying before "real life."  It ended up destroying her "real life," and the amount to which it has done so is extraordinary.

Forget it; the take-away is that I disagree with almost every single word you said; it's all propaganda.

If you're gunning for Rule, I'd say that at best you're lucky; at worst, you're not adequately self-aware.

I didn't mean we were invincible because we were young, I meant that because we're young and don't have many real responsibilities recreational substance use isn't as destructive. (i.e. it's not causing us to get divorces, lose our kids, lose our jobs, etc.)
What I've seen in my aunt who is now in her 40s is an inability to make a decision like a responsible adult.  She has two kids, one of whom has the potential and desire to go to medical school.  She wanted to move to bumblefuck, Nevada out of one of our better, larger school districts here in the Phoenix metro area so that she could have a fling.  6 months later, here we are, now that she's divorced, she's discovered *gasp* that the guy is an asshole.  Who knew?!?

The reason that the school district is important, for those of you who can't figure that out, is funding.  College tuition based on being in the top 10% of your class (much easier if there are 500 people in your class than 50), and programs like AP and whatnot that are generally more accessible in larger schools than smaller.
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« Reply #127 on: June 20, 2008, 01:34:22 pm »
Forget it; the take-away is that I disagree with almost every single word you said; it's all propaganda.

First of all, propaganda isn't necessarily false; it seems you correlate an "anti-drug" position to propaganda, which in your mind means it has no credibility.  This is also part of what gets me in this thread.  There is this ambient "we know much better than the general consensus -- we know what's dangerous and what isn't -- we're smarter than that" attitude; "it's illegal, most people wouldn't want to try, but we know better and that's something we all have in common".  People are generally really attracted this type of anti-establishment group mentality -- especially since it gives them the sensation that they are more intelligent, more informed, and more daring than those outside of the group.  It also encourages those within the group to progress with whatever they are doing -- to be the first to try something new and report back their experiences. 

Now, having written that, a lot of the anti-drug propaganda is nonsense.  I imagine most people who have gone through many years of schooling and then first try pot, will think "wow, those people were full of shit".  This sentiment then mutates into the vague position that anyone with a concern for an activity involving drugs or with an anti-drug message has an agenda, hasn't experienced many drugs, or is just wrong.

But now let's go back to what I said and see whether it is propaganda.  Here is the definition for you: "information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc." Generally, I was claiming that people here were moving towards heavy, irresponsible, and dangerous drug use, and seemed to be vaguely proud of what they were doing with their lives.  In many cases, this type of movement was just for show -- "look, I can chug 24 ounces of beer in seconds", even though hard liquor would do just as well for the desired effect.  In my opinion, they are becoming undignified losers who will have regrets.  I then made the specific claim that sucking on whipit could result in poisoning or asphyxiation.  Your response?

"You've bought in to the scare tactics that police officers use to keep impressionable children off of drugs."

That seems pretty much what I would expect given the group mentality I described above -- in fact, I would even use it as an example of that mentality if I were to write something longer on this subject.  First, I'm not particularly in touch with police scare tactics.  Not to say that any scare tactic a policeman might use would be necessarily untrue -- you are simply repeating a meaningless group mantra when encountered with a position you don't like.  Most of my positions come from people I have observed, my own experiences, and my scientific background.  I work in a highly scientific environment, and have directly studied the effects of some drugs via Positron Emission Tomography (PET).    Now, here is what wikipedia says:

"While nitrous oxide is not a dangerous substance per se, recreational users typically do not mix it with air or oxygen (a 70/30 mix of nitrous oxide and oxygen, respectively (which is the same amount of oxygen in normal air) is standard procedure in a dentist's office) and thus may risk injury, or in worst case: death, from lack of oxygen (anoxia). Nitrous oxide, when inhaled using a home made system consisting of a mask and/or regulator, presents the highest potential danger due to the automatic, continuous application. This may in turn prevent adequate oxygen from reaching the user, rendering him unconscious, subsequently leading to death due to asphyxiation."

This is pretty much a paraphrase of what I said.  I suppose Wikipedia is being maintained by police officers and their arsenal of scare tactics.   Propaganda?  I don't think this a widespread message to hurt or help -- if anything it would be to help.  Deliberately untrue? I don't see why.  Untrue? Again, I don't see why. 

Keep discussing the next way you've found to get a high.  I don't think you guys have tried glue or gasoline yet.  The whole "I'm young" is the worst justification for the attitude in this thread -- it's basically just "other people did this when they were young and had a good time and cleaned up so why can't I?".  Of course there is a lot wrong with that position, but what gets me most is when you are "young" (e.g. in your early twenties) you are in the prime of your life.  You are at a time when you can still pretty much reach your full potential at anything -- soon you will get to an age where you can't pursue interests and become good at them any longer.  And this time is being given away with the idea that either you'll mature out of what you're currently doing, or you'll be trapped doing it forever. 
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« Reply #128 on: June 20, 2008, 02:03:32 pm »
Look at this guys.  Even Rule and I are agreeing on something.  And we RARELY agree.
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« Reply #129 on: June 20, 2008, 02:10:15 pm »
I didn't mean we were invincible because we were young, I meant that because we're young and don't have many real responsibilities
I think that's one thing that bugs me -- when I was in university, I was working fulltime to pay for it while going to class. In addition to homework, that gave me basically 0 free time. That's why it bugs me when people's parents pay for their education, it feels so unfair.

What if the government is paying for your education? :P

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« Reply #130 on: June 20, 2008, 02:20:59 pm »
Rule, the whippets most of us use require effort to be inhaled, therefore, requiring one to be conscious in order to get more gas. So: If you pass out due to lack of oxygen, you are forced to breathe oxygen. What the wiki article is talking about is using a mask that stays on your mouth and requires no effort to inhale. So: When you pass out, you continue to inhale nitrous, further reducing the amount of oxygen you have. Using a mask requires either a.) someone to watch  you and make sure you don't do something dumb, or b.) oxygen/nitrous mix.

Also, something that really cracks me up is that we're having this discussion about recreational drug use and it's harms in a salvia thread. There aren't too many people out there who do salvia and then think to themselves "Holy shit, that was fun! I need more!" Usually, if one isn't all that prepared for some sort of epic spiritual trip (i.e. the "retarded druggies" you're talking about),  they get scared by it, and are afraid to try it again.

I would see salvia as one of the least recreational, and most shamanic/spiritual, drugs available.
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« Reply #131 on: June 20, 2008, 02:22:26 pm »
I didn't mean we were invincible because we were young, I meant that because we're young and don't have many real responsibilities
I think that's one thing that bugs me -- when I was in university, I was working fulltime to pay for it while going to class. In addition to homework, that gave me basically 0 free time. That's why it bugs me when people's parents pay for their education, it feels so unfair.

What if the government is paying for your education? :P
I think that's different, because you're technically working for it.

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« Reply #132 on: June 20, 2008, 02:56:38 pm »
Rule, the whippets most of us use require effort to be inhaled, therefore, requiring one to be conscious in order to get more gas. So: If you pass out due to lack of oxygen, you are forced to breathe oxygen. What the wiki article is talking about is using a mask that stays on your mouth and requires no effort to inhale. So: When you pass out, you continue to inhale nitrous, further reducing the amount of oxygen you have. Using a mask requires either a.) someone to watch  you and make sure you don't do something dumb, or b.) oxygen/nitrous mix.

This becomes the "slippery slope" argument.  Eventually you'll want a better trip, a better high.  And when you get there, you'll do the same kind of rationalization as you're doing now.  "If I'm with so and so, he'll keep me sane."
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #133 on: June 20, 2008, 03:03:53 pm »
You're an idiot, I'm sorry but you sir, fail.
I really do hope that you're one of the people that OD's on it and has a near-death experience just so you can realize how stupid you really are. And, coming from you of all people, I don't take your opinion that I'm stupid very highly. Go back to your drugs while I succeed in life.
You know nothing about the subject obviously. You're a biased idiot whos never done a "drug" in his life and has no idea of how they effect the body. Things like weed and cough syrup are hardly bad for the body. Chewing, or even smoking cigs is worse. And more addicting. However they're legal. So your argument of calling me an idiot for using these common drugs just makes you look simple.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #134 on: June 20, 2008, 03:43:12 pm »
You know nothing about the subject obviously. You're a biased idiot whos never done a "drug" in his life and has no idea of how they effect the body. Things like weed and cough syrup are hardly bad for the body. Chewing, or even smoking cigs is worse. And more addicting. However they're legal. So your argument of calling me an idiot for using these common drugs just makes you look simple.
Right, because never having done a drug makes it completely harmless/harmful in my life. I've never performed open heart surgery either, but I know that's dangerous and has benefits. Am I a biased idiot for that too?
Hahahah. The "legality" argument. You're funny. Apparently you're not too bright either if you're using cigarettes being legal to justify your rampant drug usage. The truth is that the government makes LOTS of money from taxing cigarettes, which is one of the biggest reasons it's still legal and most likely going to stay legal for ages to come.
And, since I doubt you will, I Googled just what happens when you OD on Triple C's for you.. here, two of the first results:
http://www.drugs.com/enc/dextromethorphan-overdose.html
http://www.drugs.com/coricidin.html
Oh, but wait, the government must run these websites that shine negative light on drug usage, furthering my bias, right?

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #135 on: June 20, 2008, 03:48:33 pm »
I think at this point it becomes a problem with the user and not with the drug itself, most things without moderation are bad. While there are drugs which are genuinely destructive to the body, I believe most of what everyone does here is mild at worst and done for cheap thrills.

Personally, I stick mostly to marijuana and I've yet to try Salvia but I'm definitely open to other things which do no harm (short term or long term) to the body. I don't do it to puff my chest out and say I can, because frankly a bunch of internet people who I'll never meet are not on the top of the "people to impress list" for me.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but that's just how I feel about the drugs that I use in general.

Now in contrast to address Screenor:
The argument that cigs or chewing somehow makes unrestricted drug use fine is a very weak argument. Them being legal is a problem in itself, but it's not a justification for using potentially dangerous drugs.
Cough Syrup is out of the question for me merely because it trades a cheap high for an addiction.

Either way, I think Rule just had a rant to get out and baited this perfectly :).
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #136 on: June 20, 2008, 03:50:32 pm »
You know nothing about the subject obviously. You're a biased idiot whos never done a "drug" in his life and has no idea of how they effect the body. Things like weed and cough syrup are hardly bad for the body. Chewing, or even smoking cigs is worse. And more addicting. However they're legal. So your argument of calling me an idiot for using these common drugs just makes you look simple.
Right, because never having done a drug makes it completely harmless/harmful in my life. I've never performed open heart surgery either, but I know that's dangerous and has benefits. Am I a biased idiot for that too?

Not sure if you're just talking DXM, but "harmless" drugs like marijuana are something you'd very much need to experience before casting judgement on how dangerous they are.

That analogy is weak too, open heart surgery is a pretty black and white thing. Drugs is a fairly general category and not everything which falls under it is necessarily dangerous.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #137 on: June 20, 2008, 04:53:16 pm »
There is this ambient "we know much better than the general consensus -- we know what's dangerous and what isn't -- we're smarter than that" attitude; "it's illegal, most people wouldn't want to try, but we know better and that's something we all have in common".  People are generally really attracted this type of anti-establishment group mentality -- especially since it gives them the sensation that they are more intelligent, more informed, and more daring than those outside of the group.  It also encourages those within the group to progress with whatever they are doing -- to be the first to try something new and report back their experiences.

You're taking what I said way to far; I'm not, for example, calling you stupid. What I'm saying is that there isn't really any inherently serious danger in gateway drugs, because anyone with a high school education knows that their brain needs oxygen to function. The stupidity comes in when people try new things without assessing the risks; it's stupid for the same reason that putting your money in to a stock that you know nothing about is stupid.

You seem to have inferred that I was on an ego trip, claiming to be more wise than the average person. As a nerd, I'd like to think that I am more intelligent than the "average person," but even if that is true, it has no bearing on what I said. It does not take great intelligence to know that there are dangers to everything; you wouldn't argue with me if I called someone stupid for crossing the street without looking first, so why shouldn't I call someone stupid for asphyxiating?

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #138 on: June 20, 2008, 05:02:17 pm »
Not sure if you're just talking DXM, but "harmless" drugs like marijuana are something you'd very much need to experience before casting judgement on how dangerous they are.
I never once mentioned marijuana in my posts.

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That analogy is weak too, open heart surgery is a pretty black and white thing. Drugs is a fairly general category and not everything which falls under it is necessarily dangerous.
I was reading an article on surgery, so sue me. :P There are dozens of similar examples if you care to take the time to think them up. I personally would rather read more of "Anthem" so, meh.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #139 on: June 20, 2008, 05:05:44 pm »
Rule, the whippets most of us use require effort to be inhaled, therefore, requiring one to be conscious in order to get more gas. So: If you pass out due to lack of oxygen, you are forced to breathe oxygen. What the wiki article is talking about is using a mask that stays on your mouth and requires no effort to inhale.

Not completely true.  Many people have killed themselves with dust-off or asphyxiation through inhalants that require effort.

I would see salvia as one of the least recreational, and most shamanic/spiritual, drugs available.

That label just seems like rationalisation.  See:

It's probably going to be my "new" pot, when I'm home (and planning on staying home) I'll smoke this, pot will be "on-the-go" type of things, since you can actually somewhat control laughter and limbs with weed lol.  :)

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I finally tried the Salvia yesterday... I know some of you are going to have a hard time to believe this, due to how controlling the drug can be and from articles you might of read... Anyway. I ended up smoking it with three friends, Manny and Mike, Mike took the first hit, because he was excited and about 20 seconds later he said "Wow. I'm soooooo highhhhhhhhhhhhhh" and started to laugh, really... really hard. Manny and I both knew it obviously had a great effect.

Manny and I started to pass the bowl around like you would normally with weed, and we all got really trippin. We shut off the light and we just had my laptop in the center of the room, My laptop was on, but the lid was facing downwards and we all just sat around it like a campfire, and the ironic thing is, that's what I thought it was during my trip, a small warm campfire, we all were just listening to Pink Floyd and then, I just pointed at my friend Manny, while saying "Dude... what the fuck is...", "Dude what the fuck is...th" over and over again, I was trying to say "What the fuck is that" but for some reason I could get the word "that" out.. I was just laughing so hard... but I was wondering what "that" was... (meaning Manny).

To not make this too lengthy, I'll just say, we ended up tripping for around 2-3 hours... (Not just one hit, remember, this was multiple hits).

We ended up passing out (probably from being tired, it was around 2 am.)... I wish I had a video like I promised, maybe next time!

Doesn't "retarded" seem like the right word to use?

And Camel: I was characterizing a group mentality I've been seeing, not exclusively in reference to your post.  I may have a full reply later. 


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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #140 on: June 20, 2008, 05:13:44 pm »
my whole family does these things as a group. then again, i'm a native america, and live in a teepee. i have my spirit journey this up coming week. totally looking forward to it. i'll fill you all in later.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #141 on: June 20, 2008, 05:20:01 pm »
Not sure if you're just talking DXM, but "harmless" drugs like marijuana are something you'd very much need to experience before casting judgement on how dangerous they are.
I never once mentioned marijuana in my posts.

You also never mentioned any other drug by name until your last post, it's hard to know what you're speaking of.
This ties in with your analogy, it works if you limit it to a specific drug which has a specific consequence.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #142 on: June 20, 2008, 05:23:47 pm »
my whole family does these things as a group. then again, i'm a native america, and live in a teepee. i have my spirit journey this up coming week. totally looking forward to it. i'll fill you all in later.

Haha, I bet you use 56k in your teepee.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #143 on: June 20, 2008, 06:25:37 pm »
You also never mentioned any other drug by name until your last post, it's hard to know what you're speaking of.
Yeah, but when I quoted a post talking specifically about popping ridiculous amounts of Coricidin (14(?) pills is a lot, unless you weigh as much as a whale does) I assumed people could tie the two together, especially since I ignored the abundance of posts about other drugs.
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This ties in with your analogy, it works if you limit it to a specific drug which has a specific consequence.
I realllly don't get what you're talking about with this sentence. Haha. Care to explain?
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« Reply #144 on: June 20, 2008, 06:46:37 pm »
Yeah, but when I quoted a post talking specifically about popping ridiculous amounts of Coricidin (14(?) pills is a lot, unless you weigh as much as a whale does) I assumed people could tie the two together, especially since I ignored the abundance of posts about other drugs.

Then again your quote:
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Last I checked, being a retard had no correlation with where you got the drug.

made it seem like you agreed with Rule's statement which included every drug.

I realllly don't get what you're talking about with this sentence. Haha. Care to explain?

I was saying, that the analogy you made comparing open heart surgery to drugs is only valid if you talk about a specific drug with a specific consequence, because at that point it was still unclear if you were making a broad statement or not.


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« Reply #145 on: June 20, 2008, 07:15:56 pm »
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #146 on: June 20, 2008, 09:00:02 pm »
Rule, the whippets most of us use require effort to be inhaled, therefore, requiring one to be conscious in order to get more gas. So: If you pass out due to lack of oxygen, you are forced to breathe oxygen. What the wiki article is talking about is using a mask that stays on your mouth and requires no effort to inhale.

Not completely true.  Many people have killed themselves with dust-off or asphyxiation through inhalants that require effort.

Dust-off != nitrous oxide. It contains fluorine and is completely irrelevant to the conversation we were having.

Additionally, if I can do drugs with only very minor harm done to my body, do them responisbly, and experience many things as a result, why does it become anyone's position to lead me against such actions?

Rule, as far as I could tell, this thread was a discussion regarding salvia, the methods of using it, and the experiences gained from it... Not whether or not to do it. Obviously, anyone posting saying that they want to do it wants to do it, and unless you have some form of actual statistic regarding health issues which it creates, or addiction, I don't see why there would be any need to lead someone against it. So far, it seems to me that your main argument is along the lines of "Why do you need to do it?" and my equally unlogical response of "shamanic/spiritual experiences" simply did not satisfy this. I was not trying to persuede you with some sort of "rationalisation," I was trying to explain the fact that most people who try it actually don't enjoy the experience, and, as a result, don't have much urge to repeat the trip.

To answer more thoroughly "Why do you do it?" (Which is a much more applicable question than "Why do you need to do it?"): It is an unclassifiable drug with features of both dissociatives and psychedelics, and therefor puts your mind in a state of temporary confusion, with much amnesia as well. It allows you to very shortly see things in a new light. After doing this, I am usually filled with a certain amount of a feeling of "Why am I doing this" whenever I do anything out of habit (Shaking someone's hand, waving at people, etc). It's a very interesting feeling/thought process, and it is very strange to act purely out of instinct, and note your actions. 
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« Reply #147 on: June 20, 2008, 09:27:48 pm »
Garbage

I don't have time to fully respond, but here are a few things you should consider.  Dust-off is completely relevant to the discussion of using inhalants.  Please look it up.  Also, don't tell me what this discussion is supposedly about, and don't put words in my mouth and then argue with them.  Someone else brought up whippets, not me.  And don't make me walk you through the wikipedia entry on whippit.  This started with me reading this thread and a few others, and thinking about how many of the forum users have become embarrassingly undignified and increasingly frequent drug users.  You're the one who thinks salvia isn't a recreational drug.  Perhaps you should read this discussion more carefully. 

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #148 on: June 20, 2008, 10:09:23 pm »
You know nothing about the subject obviously. You're a biased idiot whos never done a "drug" in his life and has no idea of how they effect the body. Things like weed and cough syrup are hardly bad for the body. Chewing, or even smoking cigs is worse. And more addicting. However they're legal. So your argument of calling me an idiot for using these common drugs just makes you look simple.
Right, because never having done a drug makes it completely harmless/harmful in my life. I've never performed open heart surgery either, but I know that's dangerous and has benefits. Am I a biased idiot for that too?
Hahahah. The "legality" argument. You're funny. Apparently you're not too bright either if you're using cigarettes being legal to justify your rampant drug usage. The truth is that the government makes LOTS of money from taxing cigarettes, which is one of the biggest reasons it's still legal and most likely going to stay legal for ages to come.
And, since I doubt you will, I Googled just what happens when you OD on Triple C's for you.. here, two of the first results:
http://www.drugs.com/enc/dextromethorphan-overdose.html
http://www.drugs.com/coricidin.html
Oh, but wait, the government must run these websites that shine negative light on drug usage, furthering my bias, right?

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I know full well the dangers of dexing. It'd be stupid to use something without reading up on the side effects first. You need to take somewhere around 30+ pills to OD on Dex containing products. Idiot.

And on a side note: Marijuana would be legal if they could tax it as well. And it slowly is becoming legal in the U.S. so stfu plz.

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« Reply #149 on: June 21, 2008, 11:29:34 am »
Additionally, if I can do drugs with only very minor harm done to my body, do them responisbly, and experience many things as a result, why does it become anyone's position to lead me against such actions?
I don't think he was arguing that you shouldn't do it, just that if you do do it, you're stupid for doing it.

I think, at least -- that's sort of how I look at drugs. I don't think they should be illegal, I just think that people who use them are stupid. :)

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« Reply #150 on: June 21, 2008, 11:56:01 am »
Additionally, if I can do drugs with only very minor harm done to my body, do them responisbly, and experience many things as a result, why does it become anyone's position to lead me against such actions?
I don't think he was arguing that you shouldn't do it, just that if you do do it, you're stupid for doing it.

I think, at least -- that's sort of how I look at drugs. I don't think they should be illegal, I just think that people who use them are stupid. :)

I think people who choose to live in Canada are stupid, that's how I look at Canadians.

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« Reply #151 on: June 21, 2008, 12:00:40 pm »
I think people who choose to live in Canada are stupid, that's how I look at Canadians.

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« Reply #152 on: June 21, 2008, 12:57:10 pm »
I think people who choose to live in Canada are stupid, that's how I look at Canadians.

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Your point...?

Same thing aplies. It's all opinionated, you're not actually "stupid" for using. Unless it's something hard like cocaine or heroin. Then you're an absolute idiot. However, that's my opinion still.

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« Reply #153 on: June 21, 2008, 01:00:56 pm »
I'm not sure where I stand on drug intervention.  In principle, I believe someone should have the right to do whatever he pleases, so long as it doesn't interfere with other people.  Of course, purchasing drugs always does interfere with other people, at least in some indirect way.  Where does the money go, for instance?  So I suppose I would be in favour of permitting the use of any drug if we could be rather sure this interference would be positive, on the whole.  I don't think that's the case, but then again, I haven't given this very much thought and it's besides the point in this thread. 

Now, I don't think someone is necessarily stupid for doing a drug.  It depends on the drug and the circumstances; contrary to Screenor, I don't think someone who does cocaine or heroin is necessarily stupid.  Very few things are black and white like that.  I do, however, think the general attitude towards drugs on this forum, and the way in which they are being used, is stupid.  And if that attitude becomes a defining personality trait, then I suppose it also makes you stupid, in some sense.
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« Reply #154 on: June 21, 2008, 01:02:38 pm »
I think people who choose to live in Canada are stupid, that's how I look at Canadians.

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Your point...?

Same thing aplies. It's all opinionated, you're not actually "stupid" for using. Unless it's something hard like cocaine or heroin. Then you're an absolute idiot. However, that's my opinion still.
What I mean is, you can think whatever you want, I don't care. It makes no difference to my opinion.

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« Reply #155 on: June 21, 2008, 01:05:17 pm »
I think people who choose to live in Canada are stupid, that's how I look at Canadians.

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Your point...?

Same thing aplies. It's all opinionated, you're not actually "stupid" for using. Unless it's something hard like cocaine or heroin. Then you're an absolute idiot. However, that's my opinion still.
What I mean is, you can think whatever you want, I don't care. It makes no difference to my opinion.

I know, I'm just clarifying that it's only an opinion. :)

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« Reply #156 on: June 21, 2008, 01:10:53 pm »
I know, I'm just clarifying that it's only an opinion. :)
It's a reasoned, justified opinion.

In your case, it's just nonsense that you probably don't even believe.

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« Reply #157 on: June 21, 2008, 01:20:18 pm »
If, through putting chemicals into my body which do very little damage, I experience things which I find enjoyable, and am able to sustain such actions through responsibility while consuming the drug and in everyday life, how is that at all stupid? How is that different from spending money on any other form of entertainment.
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« Reply #158 on: June 21, 2008, 01:23:05 pm »
If, through putting chemicals into my body which do very little damage, I experience things which I find enjoyable, and am able to sustain such actions through responsibility while consuming the drug and in everyday life, how is that at all stupid? How is that different from spending money on any other form of entertainment.
I think the doing "very little damage" part is where it becomes qeustionable. In my opinion, anything that's designed screw around with how my brain is working scares me. Not to mention that the long term affects of most modern drugs are unknown (of course, same goes for a lot of artificial flavours, colours, and preservatives in food, but I also do my best to avoid those..).

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« Reply #159 on: June 21, 2008, 01:28:20 pm »
Additionally, if I can do drugs with only very minor harm done to my body, do them responisbly, and experience many things as a result, why does it become anyone's position to lead me against such actions?
I don't think he was arguing that you shouldn't do it, just that if you do do it, you're stupid for doing it.

Calling someone "Retarded" for using something inherently means that the justification for that claim is trying to steer people away from the drug. Obviously the user will ask why he's considered retarded, and the conditional is then "If you use this you're retarded, but if you don't use it you're not" which is indeed persuading someone to not use it.

There's also a very fine difference between persuading someone not to use something, and agreeing with the legality purely for the freedom of choice.

This was a simple bait by Rule because he probably wanted to get a rant off of his chest, and what easier way to seem natural when doing so than by preying on those who would fly to the defense of drugs at the drop of a dime (Screenor, Camel, etc)?
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #160 on: June 21, 2008, 01:36:51 pm »
If, through putting chemicals into my body which do very little damage, I experience things which I find enjoyable, and am able to sustain such actions through responsibility while consuming the drug and in everyday life, how is that at all stupid? How is that different from spending money on any other form of entertainment.
I think the doing "very little damage" part is where it becomes qeustionable. In my opinion, anything that's designed screw around with how my brain is working scares me. Not to mention that the long term affects of most modern drugs are unknown (of course, same goes for a lot of artificial flavours, colours, and preservatives in food, but I also do my best to avoid those..).


I would guess that about the same amount of damage is done in one hit of salvia as sitting through a 2 hour movie eating popcorn.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #161 on: June 21, 2008, 01:45:53 pm »
Additionally, if I can do drugs with only very minor harm done to my body, do them responisbly, and experience many things as a result, why does it become anyone's position to lead me against such actions?
I don't think he was arguing that you shouldn't do it, just that if you do do it, you're stupid for doing it.

Calling someone "Retarded" for using something inherently means that the justification for that claim is trying to steer people away from the drug. Obviously the user will ask why he's considered retarded, and the conditional is then "If you use this you're retarded, but if you don't use it you're not" which is indeed persuading someone to not use it.

There's also a very fine difference between persuading someone not to use something, and agreeing with the legality purely for the freedom of choice.

Did you read this post? http://www.x86labs.org/forum/index.php/topic,12336.msg155722.html#msg155722

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #162 on: June 21, 2008, 01:55:02 pm »
Calling someone "Retarded" for using something inherently means that the justification for that claim is trying to steer people away from the drug. Obviously the user will ask why he's considered retarded, and the conditional is then "If you use this you're retarded, but if you don't use it you're not" which is indeed persuading someone to not use it.
So what you're implying is that freedom of choice and freedom of speech are mutually exclusive?

I would guess that about the same amount of damage is done in one hit of salvia as sitting through a 2 hour movie eating popcorn.
How, exactly, did you come up with that comparison?

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #163 on: June 21, 2008, 01:55:27 pm »
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« Reply #164 on: June 21, 2008, 02:02:32 pm »
Calling someone "Retarded" for using something inherently means that the justification for that claim is trying to steer people away from the drug. Obviously the user will ask why he's considered retarded, and the conditional is then "If you use this you're retarded, but if you don't use it you're not" which is indeed persuading someone to not use it.
So what you're implying is that freedom of choice and freedom of speech are mutually exclusive?

That's not what I said at all. He may very well believe in freedom of choice, but that's not the point I addressed. I simply showed the corner he painted people in, regardless of the backtracking he now did to try to soften things up.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #165 on: June 21, 2008, 02:08:30 pm »
Garbage

I don't have time to fully respond, but here are a few things you should consider.  Dust-off is completely relevant to the discussion of using inhalants.  Please look it up.  Also, don't tell me what this discussion is supposedly about, and don't put words in my mouth and then argue with them.  Someone else brought up whippets, not me.  And don't make me walk you through the wikipedia entry on whippit.  This started with me reading this thread and a few others, and thinking about how many of the forum users have become embarrassingly undignified and increasingly frequent drug users.  You're the one who thinks salvia isn't a recreational drug.  Perhaps you should read this discussion more carefully. 

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Dust off has NOTHING to do with what he was talking about. Stuff like that is highly dangerous, and the category of inhalants is VERY broad. Whipits are an inhalent, which if you aren't an idiot, that cause you no harm-- DOCTORS use it. I will second leetmuffin with the fact that salvia is NOT a recreational drug. I haven't seen anyone try it who said "I want to do this again. That was awesome!", the experience is just too overly intense and something you don't have to experience every day. In fact, I doubt anyone would do salvia daily, its HIGHLY impractical.

I would guess that about the same amount of damage is done in one hit of salvia as sitting through a 2 hour movie eating popcorn.
How, exactly, did you come up with that comparison?

What I think he is trying to say is that salvia doesn't harm the body any more than if you were to sit around doing nothing.

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« Reply #166 on: June 21, 2008, 02:09:45 pm »
I would guess that about the same amount of damage is done in one hit of salvia as sitting through a 2 hour movie eating popcorn.

Your completely arbitrary 'guess' instills me with confidence.  Many of these drugs have an insidious effect, especially marijuana.  Also, the conventional wisdom amongst users that marijuana is a harmless drug is wrong.  There are many highly reputable scientific journal articles that are beginning confirm this.  Ten years ago, there was no strong consensus in the scientific community on this issue, but there is now.  Also, there are many rehab centres for marijuana users.  Further, my friend who is a medical doctor and works in a walk in clinic says he will often see people asking him for help trying to get off of marijuana.  Additionally, the whole culture surrounding marijuana use has been found rather destructive.  And it's important to note that marijuana is a very different drug from what it was 30 years ago.

But I'm not interested in a debate about whether marijuana is harmful: it's a great way to derail the point, and it's a debate some users will never give up seeing as how the drug is so unreasonably glorified, which makes for a great rationalisation. Drugs are temporary, and they often do cause damage.  I think a lot of the damage is often from the attitude that develops towards drugs, not necessarily from the drugs themselves.  And the attitude I've been seeing is pathetic. You're never going to do anything permanently good while under the influence of drugs, or while your life becomes a search for the next high.  You're never going to develop in a meaningful way.  Your life will be wasted.  Subjective? Yes.  I suppose it won't be wasted if you are fulfilled with contributing nothing, possibly becoming damaged or dependent, and missing out on a much larger, more interesting world.

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« Reply #167 on: June 21, 2008, 02:11:19 pm »

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #168 on: June 21, 2008, 02:12:33 pm »
Whipits are an inhalent, which if you aren't an idiot, that cause you no harm-- DOCTORS use it.

Doctors do not use whipit.  They use nitrous oxide.  Calm down little man.

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« Reply #169 on: June 21, 2008, 02:12:57 pm »
Did you read this post? http://www.x86labs.org/forum/index.php/topic,12336.msg155722.html#msg155722

Yes, which was posted after the fact.

No, it was posted before your post that I quoted.

It was posted after most of what you had to say was off your chest, obviously if this "clarification" had been made early on then you wouldn't have had the responses you had.

The tune you sing now is a lot different from "a lot of people on this forum are turning into retarded drug users".
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #170 on: June 21, 2008, 02:14:42 pm »
Drugs are temporary, and they often do cause damage.  I think a lot of the damage is often from the attitude the develops towards drugs, not necessarily from the drugs themselves.  And the attitude I've been seeing is pathetic. You're never going to do anything permanently good while under the influence of drugs, or while your life becomes a search for the next high.  You're never going to develop in a meaningful way.  Your life will be wasted.  Subjective? Yes.  I suppose it won't be wasted if you are fulfilled with contributing nothing, possibly becoming damaged or dependent, and missing out on a much larger, more interesting world.

Too bad this only applies to highly addictive drugs and drugs that are highly detrimental to your health and mental well being. I'm yet to meet a stoner who's life fits this description. Great job throwing it in with your debate against marijuana.

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« Reply #171 on: June 21, 2008, 02:24:17 pm »
I would guess that about the same amount of damage is done in one hit of salvia as sitting through a 2 hour movie eating popcorn.

Your completely arbitrary 'guess' instills me with confidence.  Many of these drugs have an insidious effect, especially marijuana.  Also, the conventional wisdom amongst users that marijuana is a harmless drug is wrong.  There are many highly reputable scientific journal articles that are beginning confirm this.  Ten years ago, there was no strong consensus in the scientific community on this issue, but there is now.  Also, there are many rehab centres for marijuana users.  Further, my friend who is a medical doctor and works in a walk in clinic says he will often see people asking him for help trying to get off of marijuana.  Additionally, the whole culture surrounding marijuana use has been found rather destructive.  And it's important to note that marijuana is a very different drug from what it was 30 years ago.

But I'm not interested in a debate about whether marijuana is harmful: it's a great way to derail the point, and it's a debate some users will never give up seeing as how the drug is so unreasonably glorified, which makes for a great rationalisation. Drugs are temporary, and they often do cause damage.  I think a lot of the damage is often from the attitude that develops towards drugs, not necessarily from the drugs themselves.  And the attitude I've been seeing is pathetic. You're never going to do anything permanently good while under the influence of drugs, or while your life becomes a search for the next high.  You're never going to develop in a meaningful way.  Your life will be wasted.  Subjective? Yes.  I suppose it won't be wasted if you are fulfilled with contributing nothing, possibly becoming damaged or dependent, and missing out on a much larger, more interesting world.



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There is increasing research evidence to show that, particularly when someone starts using marijuana in their teens and uses heavily, that marijuana can trigger early onset of psychotic illnesses. For those do become ill, approximately 15% will continue to have psychotic symptoms even after they stop using.

Let me get this straight, first you need to be a heavy user, I don't know anyone here who uses marijuana so heavily (Say 5/7 days of the week, smoking what kind of amounts?) 

Now assuming you're a heavy user you have a chance to have a chance to develop psychotic symptoms. Really? Is this the full extent of the horrible, life destroying, devil drug called marijuana?

Not only is it incredibly unlikely that the circumstances are such for you to even have a chance to develop an early onset, but there is a pretty much well known risk with taking everything without moderation. Marijuana is not very addictive, in fact the addictive qualities are so slight that it feels more like a bad habit after doing it for an extended period of time at regular intervals.

Here, marijuana is found to be the least addictive -- at some point even less addictive than caffine

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« Reply #172 on: June 21, 2008, 02:27:53 pm »
It was posted after most of what you had to say was off your chest, obviously if this "clarification" had been made early on then you wouldn't have had the responses you had.

The tune you sing now is a lot different from "a lot of people on this forum are turning into retarded drug users".

This is what I said:
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On a (related) note, why does it seem that everyone on this forum is becoming a retarded drug user?

It's a simple statement of what I -- and obviously others -- felt.  People were then arguing about my position on drugs and legalisation, and freedoms, etc., so I made this post to actually state my position on that issue, frustrated that others were putting words in my mouth about something I haven't said very much about.



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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #173 on: June 21, 2008, 02:29:23 pm »
From that article...

Is this intentional, or are you daft?  I posted a link to a google search, not to a particular article.

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« Reply #174 on: June 21, 2008, 02:31:12 pm »
From that article...

Is this intentional, or are you daft?  I posted a link to a google search, not to a particular article.


You're right, I clicked through to the few articles. This is the article I'm referring to.
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« Reply #175 on: June 21, 2008, 02:32:43 pm »
It's a simple statement of what I -- and obviously others -- felt.  People were then arguing about my position on drugs and legalisation, and freedoms, etc., so I made this post to actually state my position on that issue, frustrated that others were putting words in my mouth about something I haven't said very much about.

I never said otherwise, are you going to tell me you didn't expect people to draw their own conclusions from your rather short statement? Turning around and calling them wrong on it isn't very fair, especially when you didn't clarify your positions initially -- you just made a statement which was sure to get you knee-jerk reactions.
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« Reply #176 on: June 21, 2008, 03:02:25 pm »
I know, I'm just clarifying that it's only an opinion. :)
It's a reasoned, justified opinion.

In your case, it's just nonsense that you probably don't even believe.

You're right, I like Canada, I go there every year. However it was just an example to show you how flawed your argument is.

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« Reply #177 on: June 21, 2008, 03:04:33 pm »
You're right, I like Canada, I go there every year. However it was just an example to show you how flawed your argument is.
No, it was entirely meaningless.

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« Reply #178 on: June 21, 2008, 03:31:23 pm »
Wow, this post went from just letting you guys know how my first Salvia trip went to a rather large argument.

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« Reply #179 on: June 21, 2008, 03:59:14 pm »
Salvia is old.  Welcome to 5 years ago.
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« Reply #180 on: June 21, 2008, 04:01:09 pm »
You're right, I like Canada, I go there every year. However it was just an example to show you how flawed your argument is.
No, it was entirely meaningless.

Then so was your comment considering we said the exact same thing.

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« Reply #181 on: June 21, 2008, 04:43:15 pm »
I would guess that about the same amount of damage is done in one hit of salvia as sitting through a 2 hour movie eating popcorn.
Garbage.


I never said anything about marajuana.
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« Reply #182 on: June 21, 2008, 04:45:46 pm »
Whipits are an inhalent, which if you aren't an idiot, that cause you no harm-- DOCTORS use it.

Doctors do not use whipit.  They use nitrous oxide.  Calm down little man.


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« Reply #183 on: June 21, 2008, 05:14:06 pm »
Whipits are an inhalent, which if you aren't an idiot, that cause you no harm-- DOCTORS use it.

Doctors do not use whipit.  They use nitrous oxide.  Calm down little man.

Are you an idiot?

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« Reply #184 on: June 21, 2008, 05:15:33 pm »
Whipits are an inhalent, which if you aren't an idiot, that cause you no harm-- DOCTORS use it.

Doctors do not use whipit.  They use nitrous oxide.  Calm down little man.

Are you an idiot?

NO U ARE, DRUG USER!
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« Reply #185 on: June 21, 2008, 05:28:10 pm »
this thread is my playground and you are the toys

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« Reply #186 on: June 21, 2008, 05:28:46 pm »
this thread is my playground and you are the toys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipped-cream_charger

Maybe you should know what you are talking about before you try to have an argument

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« Reply #187 on: June 21, 2008, 05:34:10 pm »
this thread is my playground and you are the toys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipped-cream_charger

Maybe you should know what you are talking about before you try to have an argument

My point is that doctors don't ask their patients to suck on whipit or fill a balloon from a whipping cream charger and aks the patient to suck on the balloon.  They mix the nitrous oxide with oxygen to reflect the oxygen content in air that we normally breathe.  And often sources of N2O from something like a whipit  are contaminated, unlike what doctors use. Also you're an idiot if you think pot is harmless.  Did you not see the above post I made?
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« Reply #188 on: June 21, 2008, 06:10:49 pm »
this thread is my playground and you are the toys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipped-cream_charger

Maybe you should know what you are talking about before you try to have an argument

My point is that doctors don't ask their patients to suck on whipit or fill a balloon from a whipping cream charger and aks the patient to suck on the balloon.  They mix the nitrous oxide with oxygen to reflect the oxygen content in air that we normally breathe.  And often sources of N2O from something like a whipit  are contaminated, unlike what doctors use. Also you're an idiot if you think pot is harmless.  Did you not see the above post I made?

I never said pot was harmless. It is detrimental to your lungs and short term memory. If you would have read MY post I explained that if you weren't an idiot, whippits are harmless (aka don't breathe in 100% nitrous oxide for 5 minute)

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« Reply #189 on: June 21, 2008, 06:33:02 pm »
this thread is my playground and you are the toys

justifying failu... ah what the hell

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« Reply #190 on: June 21, 2008, 07:57:48 pm »
I smoked pot and nobody died.

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« Reply #191 on: June 21, 2008, 08:47:53 pm »
Pot is harmless.
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« Reply #192 on: June 21, 2008, 08:54:39 pm »
Well, possibly. However inhaling the smoke isn't particularly beneficial.

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« Reply #193 on: June 22, 2008, 01:00:32 am »
Pot is harmless.
Do you have proof of this? I'm pretty sure THC effects your short term memory, meaning even if you don't smoke it it still harms you.

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« Reply #194 on: June 22, 2008, 01:42:59 am »
this thread is full of fucking fail, seriously. both sides are making what i think they both know as fruitless arguments.
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« Reply #195 on: June 22, 2008, 02:12:24 am »
This started with me reading this thread and a few others, and thinking about how many of the forum users have become embarrassingly undignified and increasingly frequent drug users.

What makes you think the number of drug users is going up? The number of drug-related posts is not necessarily an indicator of that; people are just becoming more open.

Let me get this straight, first you need to be a heavy user, I don't know anyone here who uses marijuana so heavily (Say 5/7 days of the week, smoking what kind of amounts?)
Three blunts, for a single user. When I was in college, I was definitely what you'd consider a stoner, but I've never in my life smoked three blunts in a 24 hour period.

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« Reply #196 on: June 22, 2008, 02:43:20 am »
Pot is harmless.
Do you have proof of this? I'm pretty sure THC effects your short term memory, meaning even if you don't smoke it it still harms you.

No, I was just saying what Rule has been wishing for someone to say this whole thread.
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« Reply #197 on: June 22, 2008, 03:11:33 am »
Pot is harmless.
Do you have proof of this? I'm pretty sure THC effects your short term memory, meaning even if you don't smoke it it still harms you.

No, I was just saying what Rule has been wishing for someone to say this whole thread.
lol. I failed to realize your sarcasm.

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« Reply #198 on: June 22, 2008, 10:27:19 am »
What makes you think the number of drug users is going up? The number of drug-related posts is not necessarily an indicator of that; people are just becoming more open.
Well, there are several people on the forum who classicaly didn't use drugs but recently have started. So I don't think it's inaccurate at all.

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« Reply #199 on: June 22, 2008, 12:42:36 pm »
Well, there are several people on the forum who classicaly didn't use drugs but recently have started. So I don't think it's inaccurate at all.
Yeah, but I doubt Camel knows anybody here on a personal level. :P
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« Reply #200 on: June 22, 2008, 01:19:47 pm »
This started with me reading this thread and a few others, and thinking about how many of the forum users have become embarrassingly undignified and increasingly frequent drug users.

What makes you think the number of drug users is going up? The number of drug-related posts is not necessarily an indicator of that; people are just becoming more open.

We had this discussion way back in this thread. It was established that the number of users is increasing, and the amount they were using is also increasing, in general.
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« Reply #201 on: June 22, 2008, 01:27:24 pm »
Pot is harmless.
       
Incompetence


this thread is full of fucking fail, seriously. both sides are making what i think they both know as fruitless arguments.

You're a fruitless argument.

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« Reply #202 on: June 22, 2008, 01:29:58 pm »
ahahahahahah.  this thread is fun.

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« Reply #203 on: June 22, 2008, 03:05:50 pm »
hey hey hey smoke weed erryday

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« Reply #204 on: June 22, 2008, 04:09:36 pm »
hey hey hey smoke weed erryday

I'm high right now.  ;)

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« Reply #205 on: June 22, 2008, 07:25:20 pm »
hey hey hey smoke weed erryday

I'm high right now.  ;)

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« Reply #206 on: June 22, 2008, 07:40:40 pm »
hey hey hey smoke weed erryday

I'm high right now.  ;)

I hope you can't ever have kids.

this is the funniest post.

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I'm high right now.  ;)

I hope you can't ever have kids.
even if he does he probably won't know them/raise them so they might turn out ok

I don't know what this means.

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« Reply #207 on: June 22, 2008, 07:57:41 pm »
I don't know what this means.
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« Reply #208 on: June 22, 2008, 08:06:44 pm »
lol.

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« Reply #209 on: June 22, 2008, 08:32:06 pm »
Pot is harmless.
       
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this thread is full of fucking fail, seriously. both sides are making what i think they both know as fruitless arguments.

You're a fruitless argument.


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« Reply #210 on: June 23, 2008, 02:32:02 am »
This thread appears to have died because people stopped wanting to argue.

Perhaps the answer to internet peace is not to moderate at all. Discuss!

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« Reply #211 on: June 23, 2008, 05:17:05 am »
This thread appears to have died because people stopped wanting to argue.

Perhaps the answer to internet peace is not to moderate at all. Discuss!

I think a lot of people realized Rule was just trolling for responses, so they moved on.
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« Reply #212 on: June 23, 2008, 09:52:32 am »
This thread appears to have died because people stopped wanting to argue.

Perhaps the answer to internet peace is not to moderate at all. Discuss!

I think a lot of people realized Rule was just trolling for responses, so they moved on.

He never really responded to my counter arguments. I won?

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« Reply #213 on: June 23, 2008, 12:14:53 pm »
He never really responded to my counter arguments. I won?

lol, your arguments are like: "if you read my above post I EXPLAINED that if you weren't stupid whippets were harmless"

above post: "whippets are harmless. DOCTORS USE THEM"

And this thread was about a lot more than whippets.  And, I don't even see if there was an overall argument to be "won".  Many readers think that the majority of others are becoming retarded drug users.  If retarded means "heavy, frequent, undignified, and careless", then I think that was established for the most part. 

I think a lot of people realized Rule was just trolling for responses, so they moved on.


Not really.  There's nothing to say at this point, unless we want to rehash your lame response to the post where I provide information suggesting marijuana is addictive, as well as a link to the huge number of studies concluding that marijuana use is highly correlated to psychosis, and to the large number of big marijuana rehab centres.

Honestly, though,  I am pretty tired of arguing on this forum.  I don't think most of the people here are thoughtful and fair-minded enough to accept reason when it doesn't support their position, so what's the point?

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« Reply #214 on: June 23, 2008, 12:26:31 pm »
If retarded means "heavy, frequent, undignified, and careless", then I think that was established for the most part. 


Who here fits that description? I'm sure there's someone, but I don't see many who fit that description.

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« Reply #215 on: June 23, 2008, 02:10:59 pm »
If retarded means "heavy, frequent, undignified, and careless", then I think that was established for the most part. 


Who here fits that description? I'm sure there's someone, but I don't see many who fit that description.

The only thing that anyone claimed to establish was that the quantity of people using drugs was increasing, and I totally disagree with that assertion anyways.

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« Reply #216 on: June 23, 2008, 03:16:26 pm »
Camel: not true, please actually read the thread.  Also, I don't think you've changed, but most people on this forum have seriously changed their drug habits and attitude.  Who else has noticed this?


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« Reply #217 on: June 23, 2008, 06:28:49 pm »
Me.  It's kind of annoying.

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« Reply #218 on: June 25, 2008, 08:41:46 pm »
you have to factor in that everyone has aged significantly since they first started posting here..this forum is, what, 4 years old? Freshman in highschool usually aren't dropping acid or blowing lines, etc.

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« Reply #219 on: June 25, 2008, 10:11:23 pm »
you have to factor in that everyone has aged significantly since they first started posting here..this forum is, what, 4 years old? Freshman in highschool usually aren't dropping acid or blowing lines, etc.

I'm talking mostly about the last 2 years.  But anyways, yes, people are usually quite unstable in their habits from 15 to 25.   And 17 year olds are probably less likely to do drugs than 19 year olds, for instance.  That doesn't mean that going from 2 drinks/week to 30 drinks/week has the same effect on your body, or that using more drugs, or using them in greater quantities, or using them defensively and carelessly, is a good or neutral decision.

I'm also not saying "don't do it" -- make your own decisions.  But I am free to observe those decisions.


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« Reply #220 on: June 25, 2008, 11:37:44 pm »
and its also free to call your observations boring and rtarded
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« Reply #222 on: June 26, 2008, 01:29:42 am »
ya, it's completely
rtarded

wow, that's almost an ender-level post

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« Reply #223 on: June 26, 2008, 01:56:26 am »
and its also free to call your observations boring and rtarded

and the sky is blue.  anything else sherlock?

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« Reply #224 on: June 26, 2008, 02:32:36 am »
and the sky is blue.  anything else sherlock?


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« Reply #225 on: June 26, 2008, 02:41:23 am »
and its also free to call your observations boring and rtarded

and the sky is blue.  anything else sherlock?


i take it you did not enjoy his comment
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« Reply #226 on: June 26, 2008, 02:55:57 am »
not like i enjoyed your mom LOL

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« Reply #227 on: June 26, 2008, 03:07:56 am »
it happened about 20 years ago

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« Reply #228 on: June 26, 2008, 04:48:57 am »
i took her to the sandman hotel


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« Reply #229 on: June 26, 2008, 05:40:58 am »
three stupid posts in a row

it's like a hat trick of idiocy
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« Reply #230 on: June 26, 2008, 10:07:12 am »
Do I need to get out the special olympics picture?

Rule, I expected slightly more adult behavior of you.

Warrior... well, I guess I didn't. But you see my point.
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« Reply #231 on: June 26, 2008, 10:37:31 am »
three stupid posts in a row

it's like a hat trick of idiocy
Way to take yourself/the Internet too seriously, yet again.

Take your own advice and lighten up! :P

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« Reply #232 on: June 26, 2008, 11:30:24 am »
I'm glad I kept out of most of this, as it has degenerated into a preschool level style of arguing. Rule. :P

But I agree with Rule on a similar level: it seems, as I went through high school, the number of kids who began to use drugs increased rapidly. Our valedictorian is pretty much infamous for puking all over herself in a bra at some party (though I'd still do her). My freshmen year of high school only the football kids drank or did drugs. By the end of my senior year, you could count the number of kids on both hands who didn't abuse controlled substances. A friend and I were amazed at how many kids smoked pot and how it was "normal" for kids to do it. I know I became open to drinking at the end of my freshmen year and tried smoking pot by the start of my sophomore year, but neither spiraled out of my control nor did I advance to anything stronger. I can't say the same for most of my friends, though. Despite peer pressure I still haven't tried salvia. :P

What's weird about this is that down the street at a rival high school, they treated everything differently. They were the social outcasts/badasses if they went and smoked pot for a weekend. "Oh man bro, I smoked the fattest blunt this weekend!" "WOW DUDE, THAT'S FUCKIN TIGHT MAN!" At my high school, if you said you smoked pot over the weekend a typical response was "oh cool" like it was normal. It got no response out of anyone but the straight-edge kids who didn't even like sex.

Maybe it's the environment you're raised in. Maybe it's just becoming more and more acceptable (how many times has a story related to the legalization of marijuana hit the news in the last couple of years?). Maybe I live in California (where it's "legal" to possess marijuana if you have a prescription) but that goes back to environment. The "club" out here (Cali) in high school is a place to go buy pot.

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« Reply #233 on: June 26, 2008, 12:53:43 pm »
three stupid posts in a row

it's like a hat trick of idiocy

i take it you did not enjoy my comment

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« Reply #234 on: June 26, 2008, 01:10:53 pm »
Extract ftw. I'm assuming for those of you who HAVE tried it, and are not getting any sort of effect, are either smoking bunk Salvia, or you're doing it wrong. Period. My friends and I all agree that Salvia is one of the most outrageous "trips" you'll ever encounter. Only trip that had been more intense was derived from Mescaline. If you're doing it right you're roasting 3/4 a bowl at least. Ghosting it all in one hit, and holding it in until your face melts off. You'll almost immediately feel the sensation wash over you. It's incomprehensible. I'd have to say that watching people "trip" on it is more fascinating, and enlightening.

Sorry, back to topic?
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« Reply #235 on: June 26, 2008, 01:46:13 pm »
Extract ftw. I'm assuming for those of you who HAVE tried it, and are not getting any sort of effect, are either smoking bunk Salvia, or you're doing it wrong. Period. My friends and I all agree that Salvia is one of the most outrageous "trips" you'll ever encounter. Only trip that had been more intense was derived from Mescaline. If you're doing it right you're roasting 3/4 a bowl at least. Ghosting it all in one hit, and holding it in until your face melts off. You'll almost immediately feel the sensation wash over you. It's incomprehensible. I'd have to say that watching people "trip" on it is more fascinating, and enlightening.

Sorry, back to topic?
I've actually felt like I was tripping when watching someone else on it lol

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« Reply #236 on: June 26, 2008, 01:56:03 pm »
Extract ftw. I'm assuming for those of you who HAVE tried it, and are not getting any sort of effect, are either smoking bunk Salvia, or you're doing it wrong. Period. My friends and I all agree that Salvia is one of the most outrageous "trips" you'll ever encounter. Only trip that had been more intense was derived from Mescaline. If you're doing it right you're roasting 3/4 a bowl at least. Ghosting it all in one hit, and holding it in until your face melts off. You'll almost immediately feel the sensation wash over you. It's incomprehensible. I'd have to say that watching people "trip" on it is more fascinating, and enlightening.

Sorry, back to topic?
I've actually felt like I was tripping when watching someone else on it lol

It is hysterical to watch. The way people move and react to the different atmospheres is very interesting. Keeps you entertained. Makes for very in depth conversations too.

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« Reply #237 on: June 26, 2008, 04:37:53 pm »
three stupid posts in a row

it's like a hat trick of idiocy

i take it you did not enjoy my comment

i quite enjoyed them
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« Reply #238 on: June 26, 2008, 04:41:14 pm »
three stupid posts in a row

it's like a hat trick of idiocy
Way to take yourself/the Internet too seriously, yet again.

Take your own advice and lighten up! :P


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lectures on internet seriousness from a person who cries so much about my actions behind the scenes
thats rich
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« Reply #239 on: June 26, 2008, 04:44:20 pm »
Do I need to get out the special olympics picture?

Rule, I expected slightly more adult behavior of you.

Warrior... well, I guess I didn't. But you see my point.

expect more what? rule has seen the light, others should to.
im quite proud of him, like a proud father watching his only son that rose to the occasion
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« Reply #240 on: June 26, 2008, 04:57:24 pm »
Honestly, the 'lower case' trolling is pretty fun.  It is somewhat like a chess game.  And it's pretty obvious what is mean't to be taken seriously, and what isn't.

or isn't it

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« Reply #241 on: June 26, 2008, 05:09:02 pm »
Honestly, the 'lower case' trolling is pretty fun.  It is somewhat like a chess game.  And it's pretty obvious what is mean't to be taken seriously, and what isn't.

or isn't it


i like to think of it more as "extreme shuffleboard"

It's pretty fun, we usually know when we're taking it too far @ Trolls & Co though Ender probably is a hell of a lot better at knowing when to stop than I am.

aka he actually cares about how people feel, how gay is that

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« Reply #242 on: June 26, 2008, 06:24:38 pm »
Honestly, the 'lower case' trolling is pretty fun.  It is somewhat like a chess game.  And it's pretty obvious what is mean't to be taken seriously, and what isn't.

or isn't it

What is mean't?

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« Reply #243 on: June 26, 2008, 06:41:16 pm »
What is mean't?

"what is your IQ?" is the question running through my mind right now

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« Reply #244 on: June 27, 2008, 04:18:23 am »
Extract ftw. I'm assuming for those of you who HAVE tried it, and are not getting any sort of effect, are either smoking bunk Salvia, or you're doing it wrong. Period. My friends and I all agree that Salvia is one of the most outrageous "trips" you'll ever encounter. Only trip that had been more intense was derived from Mescaline. If you're doing it right you're roasting 3/4 a bowl at least. Ghosting it all in one hit, and holding it in until your face melts off. You'll almost immediately feel the sensation wash over you. It's incomprehensible. I'd have to say that watching people "trip" on it is more fascinating, and enlightening.

Sorry, back to topic?

This is the post that my earlier post regarding insisntence was intended to be a response to. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse by even respoding to this, but here goes: There are clinical studies, some of which were alluded to earlier in this topic, to show that a minority (let's say, for the sake of argument, a baseless number like 10%) of people experience no effects whatsoever. In my case, the effects were simply unpleasant; definitely not trippy. From what I've read, and from what I've experienced, the majority of people fall in to that category.

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<Camel> you want to do it in my butt?
<Blaze> in my butt
<Camel> let's do it in the butt
<Blaze> Okay!

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #245 on: June 27, 2008, 02:39:46 pm »
I watched my buddy take a huge bowl of Salvia last night after work. Very interesting watching it. He just slumped over out of his chair, and explained to us how he felt his body was being categorized. Like he was being sorted into thousands of folders in a filing cabinet. And when he felt "split" it felt like someone was pulling on the left side of his jaw, and his right foot. "I'm being played like an accordion".

By the way my friend got a Gallon Bag of Salvia for $9.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #246 on: June 27, 2008, 03:59:21 pm »
By the way my friend got a Gallon Bag of Salvia for $9.

?!?!
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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #247 on: June 27, 2008, 04:37:18 pm »
By the way my friend got a Gallon Bag of Salvia for $9.

?!?!

The raw leaf plant is really, really cheap iirc. Like, a buck an ounce or something.
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I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.

That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #248 on: June 27, 2008, 04:40:39 pm »
Dude it was the extract. Not the leaf.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #249 on: June 27, 2008, 09:02:33 pm »
hmmm

i'm going to try this. seems very interesting.  :)

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Re: Salvia Divinorum!
« Reply #250 on: June 27, 2008, 10:27:02 pm »
Dude it was the extract. Not the leaf.

Uh, Either he has excellent, and I mean excellent connections (even then pretty sketchy) or it's a lie or a deal... theirs no way.