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Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« on: March 14, 2005, 02:45:53 pm »
http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050314.gtpatchmar14/BNStory/Technology/

This has been depated on mailing lists for the last few days.  I think there are severals with this practice; one of them being that the US Government isn't the only government in the world (despite what Americans think :P).  By giving them early patches, there is no way to know that the US Intelligence won't reverse engineer these patches and use them for evil purposes. 

I like the quote somebody used on a mailing list saying that, as a result of this, full disclosure will probably become more common.  If one group of potentially dangerous people are going to be aware of the vulnerbility, why bother with "responsible disclosure"?  Might as well give everybody an equal chance to defend themselves.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2005, 02:47:44 pm by iago »

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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2005, 07:42:43 pm »
There are a few things concerning here.

This thould be alarming to any common Windows user, being unprotected for after full month after Microsoft put out a patch for something that's probably rather old anyway. If this is something like a Service Pack where it just covers old exploits that shouldn't be there anyway, then it's not such a big deal. But if it's like the not-so-monthly Windows Updates that would leave non-government users vulnerable for a month after their delayed release, this is definately a very bad thing.

Also, what's to say that it will be totally restrictive? Sure, only US government employees will get them, at first. But eventually things trickle down. That summer blockbuster hit that you downloaded 2 weeks before it hit theatures was donated by the same people who splice porn into childrens movies; people who aren't afraid of the law or large power-hungry corperations. These same corrupt people would allow intelligent Windows users (oxymoron?) to update that month early ('intelligent' being not only people who do update Windows..) because of the nice people in the US government who happen to have connections to the outside world.
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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2005, 07:44:51 pm »
Fuck Microsoft.

Pretty soon, I'm gonna have a Microsoft hoodie and a M$ .NET T-Shirt. ^^
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[17:32:45] * xar sets mode: -oooooooooo algorithm ban chris cipher newby stdio TehUser tnarongi|away vursed warz
[17:32:54] * xar sets mode: +o newby
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I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.

That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2005, 03:40:13 am »
Pretty soon, I'm gonna have a Microsoft hoodie and a M$ .NET T-Shirt. ^^

Eww, i'd kill myself :P

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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2005, 08:51:50 pm »
Pretty soon, I'm gonna have a Microsoft hoodie and a M$ .NET T-Shirt. ^^

Eww, i'd kill myself :P
No fucking way. I'm gonna look SO EXTREMELY COOL at school it will attract ALL THE WOMEN.

Let me see what else I got ...

XP SP2
Virtual PC 2004
Office Pro 2003
Visio (?) (Dad made me get)
Some really cool 4-in-1 pen
MS .NET T-Shirt
MS Hoodie
Mechassault 2

I think I might have gotten a really cool cup meant to hold coffee, but it's just designed to keep the heat/cold in, so it'll be good for soda and such. Plus, the green tint it has is really cool looking.

That's about it. :/
« Last Edit: March 15, 2005, 08:53:49 pm by Newby »
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[17:32:45] * xar sets mode: -oooooooooo algorithm ban chris cipher newby stdio TehUser tnarongi|away vursed warz
[17:32:54] * xar sets mode: +o newby
[17:32:58] <xar> new rule
[17:33:02] <xar> me and newby rule all

I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.

That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2005, 09:44:20 pm »
Wow, all that software sucks! :)

I don't like Visio. It's for planning out like flowcharts and networks and stuff.  Crap!

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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2005, 11:41:40 pm »
Eww @ taking SP2.
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[20:21:15] xar: that was funny

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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2005, 09:03:22 am »
I had the luxery of planning out networks in visio in my networking II course, that thing is so terrible, pen and paper plz kthx.
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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2005, 07:00:41 pm »
Eww @ taking SP2.
Believe me, I asked for an SP1 version.

There was none. The end of the world is nearing, SP2 will be delivered to all computers on April <censored>!

Plus, my dad argued with me about SP2.

He's really hard to argue with, he's extremely technical with details, he doesn't studder, and he speaks points I can't counter. He could be the ultimate salesmen. He knows what he's talking about. Damn M$ whore~! :O
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[17:32:45] * xar sets mode: -oooooooooo algorithm ban chris cipher newby stdio TehUser tnarongi|away vursed warz
[17:32:54] * xar sets mode: +o newby
[17:32:58] <xar> new rule
[17:33:02] <xar> me and newby rule all

I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.

That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2005, 10:20:22 pm »
Who buys computers prebuilt anymore? That's a bad idea to ship it with SP2, for many customers.

You need to learn how to debate :p
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[20:21:13] xar: i was just thinking about the time iago came over here and we made this huge bomb and light up the sky for 6 min
[20:21:15] xar: that was funny

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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2005, 12:26:28 am »
Newby, Can I have your phone number? I'd like to debate with your dad.

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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2005, 01:32:47 pm »
Who buys computers prebuilt anymore? That's a bad idea to ship it with SP2, for many customers.

You need to learn how to debate :p
Lots of people do. Lots.

How do you think buisnesses like Dell, Compaq, Alienware, etc, stay in buisness?
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[17:32:45] * xar sets mode: -oooooooooo algorithm ban chris cipher newby stdio TehUser tnarongi|away vursed warz
[17:32:54] * xar sets mode: +o newby
[17:32:58] <xar> new rule
[17:33:02] <xar> me and newby rule all

I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.

That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2005, 08:18:01 pm »
I know they do, but I'm talking about intelligent people!

I don't, and none of my friends do. We're all that matters.
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[20:21:13] xar: i was just thinking about the time iago came over here and we made this huge bomb and light up the sky for 6 min
[20:21:15] xar: that was funny

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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2005, 10:32:20 am »
Not the greatest idea to give away patches to the government before everyone else.  I never knew microsoft was so buddy, buddy with the government anyway, didn't they get sued by the government in the late 90's?
I built my own too, with some suggestions from quik and andy last summer :).
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Re: Microsoft giving security patches to US Government first
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2005, 06:15:05 pm »
Not the greatest idea to give away patches to the government before everyone else.  I never knew microsoft was so buddy, buddy with the government anyway, didn't they get sued by the government in the late 90's?
I built my own too, with some suggestions from quik and andy last summer :).
Not exactly sure but I believe they where sued for becoming a monopoly and eventually settled on splitting some of the company up.