Man arrested with rifle in Denver

[leet_muffin]

Yeah, the NE does sorta suck at somethings

Aside from my roommate, I don't know a single person IRL who is in favor of guns being legal, including myself.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't have the right to defend themselves, but c'mon - if no one has guns, than criminals and gangs won't either.

Nobody in California has assault rifles or assault weapons, yet many people are still killed by them here.

[CrAz3D]

Think about drugs.  Those are 100% illegal and we combat them outside our own borders, but they're still readily available here.

Guns can be for sport as well.  Further, self preservation is a basic human right.

Yeah, the NE does sorta suck at somethings

Aside from my roommate, I don't know a single person IRL who is in favor of guns being legal, including myself.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't have the right to defend themselves, but c'mon - if no one has guns, than criminals and gangs won't either.

Nobody in California has assault rifles or assault weapons, yet many people are still killed by them here.

I've read the restrictions for ARs in CA.  They SUCK

[leet_muffin]

Yeah, the NE does sorta suck at somethings

Aside from my roommate, I don't know a single person IRL who is in favor of guns being legal, including myself.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't have the right to defend themselves, but c'mon - if no one has guns, than criminals and gangs won't either.

Nobody in California has assault rifles or assault weapons, yet many people are still killed by them here.

I've read the restrictions for ARs in CA.  They SUCK

Indeed. Especially 'cause that is my gun of choice, by far. And yet, I know three people in CA that own them illegally, who have never committed a violent crime in their lives. One has a thirty round magazine, bipod (he was in a construction accident, fell off a Cosco due to someone else's failure, and lost use of half his body), full auto/three round burst/single fire, and a 10 power scope. That gun is so unnecessarily powerful, lol.

If I were to be afraid of guns, I'd be much more afraid of that gun than any ak-47.

[CrAz3D]

What is it?  What does he have it chambered for?

I want to get a CMMG carbine.  MAYBE red dot & magnifier.

[Camel]

Think about drugs.  Those are 100% illegal and we combat them outside our own borders, but they're still readily available here.

Guns can be for sport as well.  Further, self preservation is a basic human right.

Drugs have this nasty habit of getting people hooked, thus establishing a necessity for common trade routes. Guns don't have the potential to build that kind of regular connection. Besides, my argument is totally irrefutable, as there's empirical evidence (Canada) to back it up. Your argument is, at best, faulty speculation.

[leet_muffin]

Think about drugs.  Those are 100% illegal and we combat them outside our own borders, but they're still readily available here.

Guns can be for sport as well.  Further, self preservation is a basic human right.

Drugs have this nasty habit of getting people hooked, thus establishing a necessity for common trade routes. Guns don't have the potential to build that kind of regular connection. Besides, my argument is totally irrefutable, as there's empirical evidence (Canada) to back it up. Your argument is, at best, faulty speculation.

Then if it's so easy to keep guns out of a certain area, maybe you should support a gun ban in your local government or state government.

Besides, your argument is at best faulty speculation, whereas there's empirical evidence that illegal guns still manage to find their way into California.

[iago]

Then if it's so easy to keep guns out of a certain area, maybe you should support a gun ban in your local government or state government.

Smuggling across state borders is WAY different than smuggling across federal borders (unless states have border guards? I haven't been through the US much, but I don't recall checkpoints between states)

[leet_muffin]

Well, I'm fairly sure that not every state wants to lose access to guns. Not to mention that in order to pass a federal law banning guns there would need to be an amendment passed both abolishing the 2nd amendment and banning guns. Good luck.

[iago]

You're pulling a CrAz3d argument, that something is ok because it's legal. I think the others in the thread are looking to dig a little deeper than that.

[leet_muffin]

I'm not saying it's purely okay because it's legal. The reason that amendment was created was in order to give the people power equal to the government, so that they could defend themselves against it/overthrow it. I just think that if you don't want guns in your area, don't make it so that others can't have guns in their area. If you want to make it federal law that guns are banned, at least make it so that certain states, where a majority wishes to have guns, can have guns.

If nobody wanted guns than every state could ban guns, but I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

[Camel]

Smuggling across state borders is WAY different than smuggling across federal borders (unless states have border guards? I haven't been through the US much, but I don't recall checkpoints between states)

Sometimes there's a toll booth, but never a checkpoint.

The reason that amendment was created was in order to give the people power equal to the government, so that they could defend themselves against it/overthrow it. I just think that if you don't want guns in your area, don't make it so that others can't have guns in their area. If you want to make it federal law that guns are banned, at least make it so that certain states, where a majority wishes to have guns, can have guns.

If nobody wanted guns than every state could ban guns, but I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

The amendment was to empower civilians to form militia in the event that the government were to get too powerful. This is not and has never been the case.

I don't wish to outlaw guns in my local area only; I think you completely missed my point. Whatever law the nation decides on should be universal - there is no need for state or local regulations. It wouldn't particularly bother me if guns were universally allowed (assuming reasonable restrictions were in place), but that's not how it works; communities of various size will establish laws of various enforceability, thus simply driving people to "shop" elsewhere and thereby nullifying the law.

[Falcon]

Back then it might have been possible to overthrow the government with force, but today it is pretty much impossible. Citizens might have guns, but the government has the army, the navy, and the air force. It doesn't matter how many guns you have, they are useless against tanks and all the other goodies the military has. Not to mention that if you even plan to stir up trouble in Washington, the CIA, FBI, and the NSA would be on your ass. Yea good luck with that. In my opinion that amendment is outdated.

[Joe]

For the record, I had no idea that the DNC or whatever it was was going on in Denver. (I hate using "was was"). In fact, I had no idea it was going on, period.

[Newby]

Back then it might have been possible to overthrow the government with force, but today it is pretty much impossible. Citizens might have guns, but the government has the army, the navy, and the air force. It doesn't matter how many guns you have, they are useless against tanks and all the other goodies the military has. Not to mention that if you even plan to stir up trouble in Washington, the CIA, FBI, and the NSA would be on your ass. Yea good luck with that. In my opinion that amendment is outdated.

The idea is that everyone rose up and rebelled. Say, Bush imposed martial law and canceled the elections and swore himself in as President even longer. That might cause a big enough uproar that the entire country rose up against him and his ways. There are how many millions of people here? And the military may total a million across the board...

[iago]

The idea is that everyone rose up and rebelled. Say, Bush imposed martial law and canceled the elections and swore himself in as President even longer. That might cause a big enough uproar that the entire country rose up against him and his ways. There are how many millions of people here? And the military may total a million across the board...

That's a great thought, but I doubt it'd happen. People are farrr to complacent.