Warhammer Online!

[Kaleeko]

First Question: Is anyone from x86 planning on playing it?

I've been following the progress on the game for a while, and sadly never got into CB; however, with my pre-ordered copy I got into preview weekend, and it was an absolute blast. The PvP/RvR system was amazing, and while a LOT of the mechanics were the same as WoW, the added Public Quests were a  nice change from usual grinding, and the sheer amount of PvP quests made leveling through killing people a breeze.

I had to share one computer for the two days of playtime, but I ended up getting a Witch Elf, Black Orc, and Shaman all up to level 10, and my boyfriend got a Sorceress and a Magus to 10. There was an obvious problem with the Magus class, but the others we got to try were an absolute blast. I wasn't too pleased with the Witch Elf's main mechanic being almost exactly like the rogue mechanic from WoW, but there was enough differences that I didn't mind too much.

Once Open Beta hits I'm planning on jumping into a Disciple of Khaine to try that out a little, and probably a Chosen. I might even touch Order if I feel like it. Everything's so entertaining, and they offer you SO much to do right from level one, that it actually might be an ISSUE of time management. In WoW, you follow a set path, do this, this, than this, then this. WAR offers a lot more options... Which, in a way, might actually be a major flaw in some cases. But, it means I'll never be bored.

Oh, and the Tome of Knowledge is awesome too.

Anyone else got a taste of this awesomeness yet?
(I understand a lot of you probably won't try it, and probably will say it'll just crash and burn, but I actually think it's EXTREMELY promising. WoW will always be the top of the market as a PvE game... But WAR looks like it might just beat it in terms of PvP.)

Hooray for spam!

[warz]

ive been following warhammer online for the past year and a half or so. ive pre-ordered the collectors edition, too. i'm looking forward to it.

[Warrior]

No.

[Blaze]

No.

Agreed.  They confirmed a cutback on content.  The only MMO that I'm looking forward to is kotar online.

[Kaleeko]

No.

Agreed.  They confirmed a cutback on content.  The only MMO that I'm looking forward to is kotar online.

While taking out the 4 classes is a bit noticeable, as, in playing the Dark Elf and Greenskin areas you could really notice there being something missing, in the end it was a better decision rather than putting in classes that weren't as polished as the others. It could be their fault for announcing everything early on, but in the end, very few people ever played them, so it's nothing to miss. There's still 10 classes on each side... Far too many in most MMO's standards.

The cities, I'm glad they took out. I don't think anyone really understands how HUGE the cities will be... Separating attention between 6, meaning separated effort on city raids (because I know people are stupid enough to do that) is just asking for failure.

In any case, they've hinted a lot that they're planning on adding the content in at some point. It isn't missing content that will hurt things in the short term, and maybe not even in the long run. I think it's a hell of a lot better that they owned up to why they had to remove the content rather than putting in things that were broken hoping people would accept until they could be fixed.

That's how the entirety of Age of Conan feels, and I won't even get started into how much I hate that game.

[Screenor]

I'm playing War atm, so far it's extremely fun. A lot better then the job Failcom did with AoC. I'm level 8 right now with 8 hours played. There really is no grind in this game at all. you get exp for EVERYTHING you do. Find a new area? 500xp. Talk to a new person? 200xp. Kill another player? Depending on their level any amount of exp.

The graphics are the equivilant to AoC without the lag factor. I don't want to go and say it's better than WoW, because it's not. But it's a very fun game, and if they keep up with how well they're doing in just beta, it'll surpass WoW in a few months.

[Lead]

I just picked up the Pre-Order today. Got some crappy deck of UFS cards which I gave to a co worker and my Beta key.... on top of that I have the Live Game Head Start key o_O

[warz]

I've been reading some great feed back for this game here. I'm pretty pumped up about this.

[warz]

Hey, Kaleeko, you're in the beta for WAR, right? Might posting some screen shots of the game on max visual settings, for me? All the screen shots I've seen so far look like the original EverQuest - not so good. lol

[Newby]

I convinced two friends to pre-order it literally right after they got some other MMO set up. lol.

[Warrior]

I convinced two friends to pre-order it literally right after they got some other MMO set up. lol.

Traitorous scum.

[Newby]

I never said I was going to play it. I just convinced two people to play it. They both play WoW, so

[Kaleeko]

Yeah, I'm in beta, and so far, it's going pretty awesomely. There are a few things here and there that bug me -- the Public Quest loot rolling system (the same person can win the top loot several times in a row), and in large scale RvR battles, it's absolutely impossible for melee classes to play any roll except for renown points for the other time. But other than that, I'm pretty pleased.

I won't say it's a million times better than WoW, because WoW always will do some things better. Instances/dungeons, PvE content, and well, the numbers of players. But if it's one thing that Warhammer will do better, it's the PvP content. I spent a very small fraction of my time on WoW PvPing, where as with WAR I find myself in scenarios or in open field RvR half the time --  or more.

Enough ramblage, though. So far, I have gotten a Witch Elf to 16, a Zealot to 15, a Disciple of Khaine to 10, and idly messed around with a few others. (BF's played a Sorceress to 15, Magus to 15). Only one I can say wasn't a load of fun was Magus... They just sorta suck right now.

@ Warz: I'll go take some screenshots for ya.

[warz]

What's max level?

Edit:
Oh yeah, here's some videos that look real good from a person on warhammer alliance forums. I watched the first and think it looks worth buying.

Here are a couple shots I took. This is everything up that was an option at the time.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/haasusa/PantycricketF_003.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/haasusa/PantycricketF_002.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/haasusa/PantycricketF_004.jpg

Couple T1 pvpage here (Looks better if you DL it. Takes 2 min

http://files.filefront.com/WAR+2008+09+07+11+27+18+62avi/;11725951;/fileinfo.html

http://files.filefront.com/WAR+2008+09+07+11+31+24+52avi/;11727002;/fileinfo.html

http://files.filefront.com/WAR+2008+09+07+11+35+23+92avi/;11726970;/fileinfo.html


Hope this helps.

[Kaleeko]

Level cap is 40. You can buy mounts at level 20 (which is easy to get to, and I  believe they are only 15g, with, which with the Scavenging craft is nothing), and everything is split up into four tiers. Tier one is 1-11, tier 2 is 12 to 21, etc etc. Before, if you entered the RvR zone of a lower tier, you got turned into a chicken; now, it has to be two tiers below you, but while it said it in the patch notes, I become chickenized every time I try to go in. Figures. 

Here's some screenshots I took. Nothing really special... A few of my hot sexy witch elf, some scenery in the zones I was in, a a kamikaze mission into an RvR battle at the Order's warcamp, and then I switched to my zealot so I could actually do something useful. The spell effects are pretty awesome, but I bet the larger ones eat some people's performance. I have a brand new computer, so it doesn't bother me a bit.

Also threw in a couple of the Inevitable City, because it's pretty awesome.
Oh, and no. I have not, and will not, play any Order characters. I had to endure playing Alliance on WoW, at least on most of my chars, I defintely prefer Destruction and it's quests to humiliate, torture, pillage, destroy, and put heads on stakes. Mmm. Carnage.

http://s415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/Kaleeko75317/

I put titles and descriptions on all the pictures so that you can kinda tell what's going on in each. The better spell effect pictures are on page two.

[warz]

Server: Ironskin
Char: Benjy, Greenskin Squig Herder (Destruction)

[Kaleeko]

Server: Ironskin
Char: Benjy, Greenskin Squig Herder (Destruction)

I  might come poke ya. We decided to play on Chaos Wastes I think, since it's Open RvR/RP. RP tends to keep the dumb noobs away, but it's hard to tell quite yet. Won't be entirely sure until Shawn comes home and we decide.

I'm rolling a Witch Elf named Dexith, and a Zealot named Tarish. For now. 

[warz]

nice. yea, once the game is rid of all the whacky animation issues it's currently containing, it'll be a pretty solid release. i can only imagine what future patches will contain if the initial game is this good.there's so much content, and so many cool things to do. i didn't realize how fun the public quests would be until i did a few. they're pretty addicting, really. lol

i'd have to say, though, that wow will still reign supreme on the pve raiding content. warhammer doesn't sound like it's going to really even offer anything similar to 25 man raids, etc.

[Kaleeko]

i'd have to say, though, that wow will still reign supreme on the pve raiding content. warhammer doesn't sound like it's going to really even offer anything similar to 25 man raids, etc.

There's a few, but you are right. The game centers around PvP, not PvE; even the PvE is really partly PvP. The closest you'll see to raiding is the larger PQ's (especially the difficult rated ones, they're a freaking  BITCH and a half. Lord (as opposed to Champion/Hero) ranked mobs are insanely ridiculous), the Dungeons we'll be hitting at later in the game (which are Open, but have an instanced boss encounter(s) or "wings" that are 6-mans), Lairs (high level mob chambers in low level areas), and the King Capture instance at the end of a city-siege, which is a 24 man, and gives the best loot in the game.

Looking at that, it actually sounds like a lot... But there won't  be the sheer number there is in WoW. The PvP is key, though... And I absolutely love it. I hope you're having the luck I am right now, but, Squig Herders unfortunately need a lot of work right now.

[warz]

haha yea, when i picked up my pre-order today from gamestop, the guy said sorry when i mentioned being a squig herder. i dunno, i haven't done any rvr or anything, so i haven't really noticed many issues. the main issue for me right now is that my squig has some whacky behavior. he doesn't attack as well as pets do on wow. it takes him a second or so to realize i told him to do anything, and then he runs in a wrong direction, and then magically appears at the mob i told it to attack. i don't know, there's still a lot of small bugs that need to be worked out, but all in all, this is a very smooth and nice early release.

[Kaleeko]

haha yea, when i picked up my pre-order today from gamestop, the guy said sorry when i mentioned being a squig herder. i dunno, i haven't done any rvr or anything, so i haven't really noticed many issues. the main issue for me right now is that my squig has some whacky behavior. he doesn't attack as well as pets do on wow. it takes him a second or so to realize i told him to do anything, and then he runs in a wrong direction, and then magically appears at the mob i told it to attack. i don't know, there's still a lot of small bugs that need to be worked out, but all in all, this is a very smooth and nice early release.

Pet pathing's been a huge issue. Apparently it was fine in Closed Beta, and then right before Open Beta Mythic did something really weird to try and make it perfect and it ended up breaking the whole AI responsiveness, including pets. That's one reason that pet classes are so gimped right now. :-/ Another is that.. Well.. They're gimped.

DO RVR. The scenarios will be reminiscent of WoW, but I'm endlessly entertained by them. Open world RvR is also pretty sweet.

So, we ended up not being happy with Chaos Wastes, so we rerolled on Praag. Now have a zealot there, Tarish, up to level 16. Woooo. Will start leveling another Witch Elf there later this week.

[d&q]

You know, FreaK-a-leek-O, that most of these games are exercises in futility right? You probably won't end up #1, and will just play till you've wasted a lot of time and a lot of money. I don't want to start an argument, I'm just bringing up something I hope you think about, preferably over coffee.

[Hitmen]

You know, FreaK-a-leek-O, that most of these games are exercises in futility right? You probably won't end up #1, and will just play till you've wasted a lot of time and a lot of money. I don't want to start an argument, I'm just bringing up something I hope you think about, preferably over coffee.

It's not about being the best, it's about having fun. It's a game. If you are having more fun than you would have had otherwise, is the time and money really wasted? Do you go to golf courses and tell people to pack up their clubs and go home because they are wasting their time and money, since they will never win a PGA tour?

[topaz~]

You know, FreaK-a-leek-O, that most of these games are exercises in futility right? You probably won't end up #1, and will just play till you've wasted a lot of time and a lot of money. I don't want to start an argument, I'm just bringing up something I hope you think about, preferably over coffee.

It's not about being the best, it's about having fun. It's a game. If you are having more fun than you would have had otherwise, is the time and money really wasted? Do you go to golf courses and tell people to pack up their clubs and go home because they are wasting their time and money, since they will never win a PGA tour?

Well, they can never be like Tiger Woods, he is just too awesome.

[Kaleeko]

I think Hitmen makes a good point there, because the last year that I paid for WoW, not enjoying it but playing it so I had something to do with my boyfriend while we were living apart, was a complete waste of money. WoW was fun for me for a long time, but I could only handle the constant grinding for experience, reputation, gear, and status for so long. And just looking at the WotLK expansion makes me howl with laughter. Blizzard is just giving everyone fun toys to blow each other up at this point, completely putting any sense of skill out of the game. It'll go to gear, spec, and timing -- which luck, the internetz, and luck all contribute to.

I wanted something different, and I'll put my money into what I feel gives me the most enjoyment. It'd cost me the same amount per month to go bowling for one day, or go to the movies once, or buy a few movies that would last one night. I'm having fun with this, and if it only lasts me a few months, then whatever. If it lasts me a few years, than kudos to Mythic.

And, you should've considered not calling me 'FreaK-a-leeko-O' if you didn't want to start an argument. I'll inevitably ignore you for sounding like a douchebag anyways, though.

[warz]

You're level 16 already? I must be doing something wrong, because I'm still level 6! I haven't been playing very hardcore, though. I probably only have 3 hours of /played time.

[Kaleeko]

You're level 16 already? I must be doing something wrong, because I'm still level 6! I haven't been playing very hardcore, though. I probably only have 3 hours of /played time.

As long as you're enjoying it, the time doesn't really matter -- I leveled in PW, then in Beta, then in Live and then restarted... So I knew the starting zone like the back of my hand. It's really easy to do things quickly when you know how to do it all and when to do what. Also, I spend a lot of time in large groups for PQs, and at early levels, scenarios give a TON of experience. At the end of a scenario, you get the equivalent of 3 quests-worth of experience (at least, at level 16) as well as a bunch of renown. Plus, there's quests for the scenarios, and later on quests to kill players. The way to level the fastest is to mix PvP/PvE as best as you can.

Also, as a Sorceress/Zealot duo, the Sorc can AoE grind pretty effectively and Zealot heals are decent at this level, so that helps a bunch. Just try to circulate around Public Quests where there's more than a couple of people working on them -- get into the Open Group if there is one -- and you'll be farming decent experience and influence. Queue yourself for scenarios when you can, and make sure you  have the quests.

And yeah. We got to level 6/7 in one evening, and then spent a whole day with the boyfriend grinding to level 16. It actually probably isn't even a good idea to be leveling quick at this point, if you get too far ahead of the major leveling crowd, then there's no PvP to be had.

[Kaleeko]

Also, you get a bit of experience for getting killed by different classes (since it's a Tome Unlock), if you get killed once by all the Order classes, it adds up to about 2k experience right there. I <3 Tome.

[d&q]

And, you should've considered not calling me 'FreaK-a-leeko-O' if you didn't want to start an argument. I'll inevitably ignore you for sounding like a douchebag anyways, though.

Holy shit chill, what the fuck? Your tone seriously just scared the fuck out of me. I was merely asking your thoughts, don't bite my dick off or anything. Different perceptions of game genres don't require a major war among brethren.

[Kaleeko]

And, you should've considered not calling me 'FreaK-a-leeko-O' if you didn't want to start an argument. I'll inevitably ignore you for sounding like a douchebag anyways, though.

Holy shit chill, what the fuck? Your tone seriously just scared the fuck out of me. I was merely asking your thoughts, don't bite my dick off or anything. Different perceptions of game genres don't require a major war among brethren.

Sorry, it just didn't come across like you were trying to be constructive. My fault for reading it wrong... Though really, FreaK-a-leek-O? Where'd that come from? XD

[Joe]

And, you should've considered not calling me 'FreaK-a-leeko-O' if you didn't want to start an argument. I'll inevitably ignore you for sounding like a douchebag anyways, though.

Holy shit chill, what the fuck? Your tone seriously just scared the fuck out of me. I was merely asking your thoughts, don't bite my dick off or anything. Different perceptions of game genres don't require a major war among brethren.

Sorry, it just didn't come across like you were trying to be constructive. My fault for reading it wrong... Though really, FreaK-a-leek-O? Where'd that come from? XD

[Frea]Kaleeko?

[Kaleeko]

[Frea]Kaleeko?

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[warz]

Blah, I haven't played since the first two days of the head start, really. For some reason I haven't felt the real desire to play. I think it's the choppy animations in the distance, and some of the clunky feel to the game that's really turning me away right now.

I still feel the desire to log onto wow every other day, though.

[Kaleeko]

Blah, I haven't played since the first two days of the head start, really. For some reason I haven't felt the real desire to play. I think it's the choppy animations in the distance, and some of the clunky feel to the game that's really turning me away right now.

I still feel the desire to log onto wow every other day, though.

Definitely things they're still working on. :-/ I don't notice it a lot on my zealot, because things are so fast paced and I'm throwing out heals so fast I don't have time to notice my zealot isn't quite throwing things at the exact same time the numbers are popping up. I'm sure it'll be something they improve in the future, but for now... It is a bit annoying.

I enjoy it, but that's because I'm doing non-stop PvP, and it makes it more entertaining than just questing. I also only play with Shawn, duo questing makes doing things, especially PQs, a lot easier.

I suggest not playing a Squig Herder, though. Right now, they suck. :-/ That on top of the glitches that WAR has isn't going to make the game very fun. That's the unfortunate thing about WoW, is that it's had years to work out all the kinks so in the end it looks more appealling.. But, I'm even more perturbed with them right now for offering all their silly programs and giving all the classes 'I Win' Buttons that... It doesn't even look like it'd be fun.

[warz]

true, and i think wow is only going to become more 'I Win' button-ish after wotlk comes out. It sounds like things are being way dumbed down. I haven't researched it a whole lot, but that's the feedback I've been given.

I'll try a Zealot, then.

[Kaleeko]

true, and i think wow is only going to become more 'I Win' button-ish after wotlk comes out. It sounds like things are being way dumbed down. I haven't researched it a whole lot, but that's the feedback I've been given.

I'll try a Zealot, then.

Warning: Zealots are healbots. Good healbots (I'm Tarish: http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/173/tarishf014ym5.jpg ) but still, healbots. If you want something which is better at DPS+Healing, stick to a shaman or a Disciple of Khaine. Zealots are still amazingly fun, and insanely mobile healers in PvP (I end up kiting multiple melee classes around most of the time, and they just can't kill me, it's lolicious), but you won't kill things quick. Which is why I level with a Sorceress. She's squishie and blows herself up, so I always have something to heal.

They'll keep tweaking the classes for sure, but as it stands right now, Magus/Engineer and Squig herder/Shadow Warrior pairings are a bit broken, and ALL classes have really wonky animations. Zealots are just hard to notice because most of my spells are quick or instants, so the animations usually fit. Not to mention, I'm usually getting beat on and running, or frantically tossing out heals, so it's hard to notice my character looks funny.

On WoW: WotLK looks like junk. Sure, fun for a bit, but... apparently some of the new things are so overpowered that it screws with the whole game. There's no way to one shot people in WAR, and I'm very pleased with that.