UN: Eat less meat to help curb global warming

[iago]

The Observer (London) September 7, 2008
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/07/food.foodanddrink

UN says eat less meat to curb global warming
· Climate expert urges radical shift in diet
· Industry unfairly targeted - farmers

By Juliette Jowit, environment editor

People should have one meat-free day a week if they want to make a personal and effective sacrifice that would help tackle climate change, the world's leading authority on global warming has told The Observer

Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chair of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which last year earned a joint share of the Nobel Peace Prize, said that people should then go on to reduce their meat consumption even further.

His comments are the most controversial advice yet provided by the panel on how individuals can help tackle global warning.

Pachauri, who was re-elected the panel's chairman for a second six-year term last week, said diet change was important because of the huge greenhouse gas emissions and other environmental problems - including habitat destruction - associated with rearing cattle and other animals. It was relatively easy to change eating habits compared to changing means of transport, he said.

The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation has estimated that meat production accounts for nearly a fifth of global greenhouse gas emissions. These are generated during the production of animal feeds, for example, while ruminants, particularly cows, emit methane, which is 23 times more effective as a global warming agent than carbon dioxide. The agency has also warned that meat consumption is set to double by the middle of the century.

'In terms of immediacy of action and the feasibility of bringing about reductions in a short period of time, it clearly is the most attractive opportunity,' said Pachauri. 'Give up meat for one day [a week] initially, and decrease it from there,' said the Indian economist, who is a vegetarian.

However, he also stressed other changes in lifestyle would help to combat climate change. 'That's what I want to emphasise: we really have to bring about reductions in every sector of the economy.'

Pachauri can expect some vociferous responses from the food industry to his advice, though last night he was given unexpected support by Masterchef presenter and restaurateur John Torode, who is about to publish a new book, John Torode's Beef. 'I have a little bit and enjoy it,' said Torode. 'Too much for any person becomes gluttony. But there's a bigger issue here: where [the meat] comes from. If we all bought British and stopped buying imported food we'd save a huge amount of carbon emissions.'

Tomorrow, Pachauri will speak at an event hosted by animal welfare group Compassion in World Farming, which has calculated that if the average UK household halved meat consumption that would cut emissions more than if car use was cut in half.

The group has called for governments to lead campaigns to reduce meat consumption by 60 per cent by 2020. Campaigners have also pointed out the health benefits of eating less meat. The average person in the UK eats 50g of protein from meat a day, equivalent to a chicken breast and a lamb chop - a relatively low level for rich nations but 25-50 per cent more than World Heath Organisation guidelines.

Professor Robert Watson, the chief scientific adviser for the Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs, who will also speak at tomorrow's event in London, said government could help educate people about the benefits of eating less meat, but it should not 'regulate'. 'Eating less meat would help, there's no question about that, but there are other things,' Watson said.

However, Chris Lamb, head of marketing for pig industry group BPEX, said the meat industry had been unfairly targeted and was working hard to find out which activities had the biggest environmental impact and reduce those. Some ideas were contradictory, he said - for example, one solution to emissions from livestock was to keep them indoors, but this would damage animal welfare. 'Climate change is a very young science and our view is there are a lot of simplistic solutions being proposed,' he said.

Last year a major report into the environmental impact of meat eating by the Food Climate Research Network at Surrey University claimed livestock generated 8 per cent of UK emissions - but eating some meat was good for the planet because some habitats benefited from grazing. It also said vegetarian diets that included lots of milk, butter and cheese would probably not noticeably reduce emissions because dairy cows are a major source of methane, a potent greenhouse gas released through flatulence.

[Warrior]

dont care about the planet that much, im going to at me a delicious steak

[Newby]

Eat less? What a travesty.... I'll continue eating steak. It's delicious. There's enough vegetarians out there that it balances out.

[Hitmen]

Save a cow, eat a vegetarian!

[iago]

Eat less? What a travesty.... I'll continue eating steak. It's delicious. There's enough vegetarians out there that it balances out.

That doesn't even make sense -- eating less doesn't preclude eating steak.

The second half doesn't make sense either -- the proportion of vegetarians is so small that it makes almost no difference. A lot of people cutting down is far more effective than a single person giving it up all together.

[Sidoh]

I think choosing to walk or ride your bike one day out of the week is probably a viable (maybe even more effective?) alternative.

Interesting, but no thanks.

[Newby]

Eat less? What a travesty.... I'll continue eating steak. It's delicious. There's enough vegetarians out there that it balances out.

That doesn't even make sense -- eating less doesn't preclude eating steak.

The second half doesn't make sense either -- the proportion of vegetarians is so small that it makes almost no difference. A lot of people cutting down is far more effective than a single person giving it up all together.

In my head, I know one vegetarian, so I'm just eating her share of steak. And the only good meat is steak, so that's the only one I refer to. Other meatly foods I eat usually have some sort of vegetable to go with it, so it's a balance. So I consider myself in the clear.

[Warrior]

I'm way too weak in terms of discipline to ever be able to become a vegetarian -- or even crazier a vegan.
I respect people who have the patience for it, but I'm sure there can be other ways to help the environment.

If not, I'll just buy like SPFover9000 to protect me from the UV Rays after the layer is destroyed. Maybe some swimming shorts for when those ice caps melt.

[rabbit]

It's funny how you think simply not eating meat saves animals, especially when there is beef tallow in tar, plastics, and other stuff around you that you see and use every day.

[CrAz3D]

Save a cow, eat a vegetarian!

Not as tasty.  I'm continue to eat dead animals ... especially ones that come from afar so it takes more fuel to ship them

[iago]

I think choosing to walk or ride your bike one day out of the week is probably a viable (maybe even more effective?) alternative.

That's the funny thing -- the meat industry causes more greenhouse gases than any other industry.

It's funny how you think simply not eating meat saves animals, especially when there is beef tallow in tar, plastics, and other stuff around you that you see and use every day.

So what you're saying is not eating meat DOESN'T save animals, because there are animals that would be dead anyways?

Do you also believe that if somebody stops spending money on alcohol and tobacco, but keeps on buying the same amount of food, they are spending just as much money?


In any case, this article has *nothing* to do with being a vegetarian or saving animals, as people in this thread seem to keep talking about. It has to do with moderation, something we in the western world have serious problems with.

[Sidoh]

I think choosing to walk or ride your bike one day out of the week is probably a viable (maybe even more effective?) alternative.

That's the funny thing -- the meat industry causes more greenhouse gases than any other industry.

So if you take the volume of greenhouse gasses produced per hour and divide it by the population, it's greater than what you'd produce from driving an average car around for an hour?  Do you have sources?

[Armin]

This seems a lot less difficult than everyone is making it out to be. Have cereal for breakfast, tomato soup for lunch, and pizza for dinner. One day a week.

I'll give it a shot.

[abc]

This seems a lot less difficult than everyone is making it out to be. Have cereal for breakfast, tomato soup for lunch, and pizza for dinner. One day a week.

I'll give it a shot.

Everyday?

[Armin]

Are you blind?

One day a week.

That was just an example, anyways. There's plenty more delicious vegetarian meals.

[CrAz3D]

I just had fried chicken.

[Sidoh]

This seems a lot less difficult than everyone is making it out to be. Have cereal for breakfast, tomato soup for lunch, and pizza for dinner. One day a week.

I'll give it a shot.

I don't think it would be difficult.  I do, however, think there are alternatives that are probably help the environment and my health more.  I don't go anywhere extremely far away, but I probably only drive my car 1-2 days a week.  Every other day, I'm riding my bike.

[Rule]

I think the fact you're eating an intelligent, feeling animal is much more of a turn off than the prospect that it might contribute to global warming, or that it might be unhealthy.

[iago]

I think choosing to walk or ride your bike one day out of the week is probably a viable (maybe even more effective?) alternative.

That's the funny thing -- the meat industry causes more greenhouse gases than any other industry.

So if you take the volume of greenhouse gasses produced per hour and divide it by the population, it's greater than what you'd produce from driving an average car around for an hour?  Do you have sources?

The article I quoted in the first post basically says that.

But here's another, also from the UN:
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=20772&Cr=global&Cr1=environment (because their site is broken for me, here's the google cache version)

I'm also not saying that you should drive more and eat meat less, that would be basically the same mistake as what rabbit said -- that cutting down is irrelevant. Everything helps.

And incidentally, eating vegetarian can be great. Falafels, any kind of pasta (tomato/mushroom sauce is awesome, as is garlic/lemon sauce), cereal/oatmeal/toast (I like plain cereal/oatmeal with fresh or freeze dried fruit), veggie wraps with hummus, various kinds of soups, breads (I like focaccia loaf), pizza, stews, stir fries with rice or noodles (I like using fresh garden vegetables, anything can basically be fried together. Right now is harvest time, so it's awesome!), to name a few. Now I'm hungry.

But yeah, one day a week, it can't hurt! And it's not a zero sum -- nothing's stopping you from doing both!

I think the fact you're eating an intelligent, feeling animal is much more of a turn off than the prospect that it might contribute to global warming, or that it might be unhealthy.

Heh, I agree 100%, but that argument is irrelevant in this thread.

[leet_muffin]

Which further proves my point: abolish the UN.

[Sidoh]

But yeah, one day a week, it can't hurt! And it's not a zero sum -- nothing's stopping you from doing both!

I'm not saying it's a zero sum.  I'm saying I don't feel guilty for eating the way I do because I'm already doing a fair amount to reduce my "carbon footprint".

[iago]

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Ok, we get it, you're trolling this thread to try getting a response. Nobody cares.

[iago]

But yeah, one day a week, it can't hurt! And it's not a zero sum -- nothing's stopping you from doing both!

I'm not saying it's a zero sum.  I'm saying I don't feel guilty for eating the way I do because I'm already doing a fair amount to reduce my "carbon footprint".

That's cool. Do more!

[Sidoh]

But yeah, one day a week, it can't hurt! And it's not a zero sum -- nothing's stopping you from doing both!

I'm not saying it's a zero sum.  I'm saying I don't feel guilty for eating the way I do because I'm already doing a fair amount to reduce my "carbon footprint".

That's cool. Do more!

I might when I have less to worry about.  I'm not going to make a simple task like eating more difficult when I already have as much as I do on my plate (no pun intended).

[iago]

I might when I have less to worry about.  I'm not going to make a simple task like eating more difficult when I already have as much as I do on my plate (no pun intended).

That's cool, too. I'm just happy to raise awareness, most people don't even realize it.

(That's why the first thing you should ask any environmentalist (like Al Gore) is if they eat meat. )

[CrAz3D]

I had steak for dinner.

[Blaze]

I had steak for dinner.

You're so cool, you don't care about the environment.. and that's pretty damn cool.  :smith:

[Camel]

One meat-free day per week? I definitely love steak, but I don't think I've ever eaten meat all 7 days of any week in my entire life.

[CrAz3D]

I had a burger for dinner.

I had pasta on Tuesday though!!!