StarCraft 2: The Trilogy?!

[dark_drake]

damn 150+ FOR A game? no thanks thats is what torrents are for.

No, it's roughly $150 for three games. What you said is like saying the planned Assassin's Creed or Mass Effect trilogies are one game. Besides, from what I understand, each game will be like 30 missions long for single player. IIRC, that's about how long the original Starcraft was.

[Sidoh]

Yeah, that's a good point, drake.

I guess the only difference is (and I think it's largely psychological) is that they're coming out at the same time.  Even if they had the content of three games, you'd expect that the bulk of the work put into the games lies in the intersection of their components (the AI, the graphics engine, unit design, etc) and that the campaign/story stuff was added in later.

Still, though, I don't think what they're doing is hugely unreasonable; it's just a bit frustrating.

Hey, drake, what are you doing for Thanksgiving?  I'm probably going to be driving through Laramie on Saturday.  Do you want to go grab something to eat while I'm there or something?

[dark_drake]

Yeah, that's a good point, drake.

I guess the only difference is (and I think it's largely psychological) is that they're coming out at the same time.  Even if they had the content of three games, you'd expect that the bulk of the work put into the games lies in the intersection of their components (the AI, the graphics engine, unit design, etc) and that the campaign/story stuff was added in later.

Still, though, I don't think what they're doing is hugely unreasonable; it's just a bit frustrating.

Hey, drake, what are you doing for Thanksgiving?  I'm probably going to be driving through Laramie on Saturday.  Do you want to go grab something to eat while I'm there or something?

Oh, no, Starcraft 2 will have the initial game come out, followed in due time by the others. In fact, they might be expansion packs, and priced as such. Either way, they're not all coming out at once.

As for Thanksgiving, I'm going home (or a nuclear power plant; need to check), but I have classes until next Tuesday, so yeah, I'll be in town, and we can grab a bite to eat. Give me a call and we'll set something up.

[Sidoh]

Oh, no, Starcraft 2 will have the initial game come out, followed in due time by the others. In fact, they might be expansion packs, and priced as such. Either way, they're not all coming out at once.

Oh, gotcha.

Still, though, I can't imagine that the work they put into the expansion pack is more than recording audio, doing scripting, etc.

Oh well, they've gotta make monies somehow.  After they started pulling $2.1 Billion/year from WoW I'm sure that profits from other sorts of games seems trivial.

As for Thanksgiving, I'm going home (or a nuclear power plant; need to check), but I have classes until next Tuesday, so yeah, I'll be in town, and we can grab a bite to eat. Give me a call and we'll set something up.

Cool!  The plant sounds like fun.  Maybe they'd let you roast a turkey over the reactor.

Alright, will do.  I'll probably be driving through in the afternoon, but I might try to call you on Friday or something.

[topaz~]

Too much campaign

[Camel]

The idea of three separate CD keys which, according to rumors, can be combined in any fashion, will make for an interesting enhancement to BNCS.

[Joe]

The idea of three separate CD keys which, according to rumors, can be combined in any fashion, will make for an interesting enhancement to BNCS.

There's already provisions in 0x51 for up to sizeof(DWORD) CD-Key's to be used.

Actually, that'd overflow the WORD in the packet header indicating the length of the packet, but you get my point.

EDIT -
I did the math cause I'm bored as hell. The SID_AUTH_CHECK packet with zero keys (think shareware) is 22 bytes, plus the header making it 26. sizeof(DWORD) (WORD being 16-bit, in the context of Battle.net) is 39321 (0x9999). So, (39321 - 26) / 36 = 1091.527777 repeating, allowing up to 1091 keys in the packet with it's current format.

Correct me if any of that's wrong.

[iago]

There's already provisions in 0x51 for up to sizeof(DWORD) CD-Key's to be used.

I think you're confused about what "sizeof" does (because you just said that 4 CDKeys can be used).

[Camel]

I'm not sure I follow your math, iago. Joe's math wasn't off, just his procedure (definition and use of sizeof).

The maximum packet length is theoretically 0xFFFF; int((65535 - 26) / 36) = 1819 keys. However, I'm fairly sure (though I haven't tested it) that if you send a 64kB packet to a BNCS server, it will consider that a packet flood and IP ban you.

[iago]

I'm not sure I follow your math, iago. Joe's math wasn't off, just his procedure (definition and use of sizeof).

I didn't do any math, I corrected Joe on his usage of sizeof().

And incidentally, maximum length of a Battle.net packet isn't 0xFFFF, it's 0x1320 or something like that.

[sdfg]

You can only be disconnected for sending an overly large packet.

[Joe]

I'm not sure I follow your math, iago. Joe's math wasn't off, just his procedure (definition and use of sizeof).

I didn't do any math, I corrected Joe on his usage of sizeof().

And incidentally, maximum length of a Battle.net packet isn't 0xFFFF, it's 0x1320 or something like that.

Wait, sizeof(DWORD) (again, in 16-bit) would be 4, right? I messed up. I meant the max value of a DWORD.

And I thought 0x9999 was a weird number. Haha, haven't used hex in a while.

Btw, how do you figure that's the max size of a Battle.net packet? I was going off the fact that the protocol header can indicate a packet up to 0xFFFF bytes long (unless that overflows a WORD.. I never understood that).

[iago]

Btw, how do you figure that's the max size of a Battle.net packet? I was going off the fact that the protocol header can indicate a packet up to 0xFFFF bytes long (unless that overflows a WORD.. I never understood that).

If you look in the game's code, it rejects packets over a certain size. I am pretty sure the server does too.

[Camel]

int((0x1320 - 26) / 32) = 152 keys

Perhaps it was a typo -- that they meant 4096 decimal (0x1000), but typed 4896 (0x1320) instead?

[iago]

int((0x1320 - 26) / 32) = 152 keys

Perhaps it was a typo -- that they meant 4096 decimal (0x1000), but typed 4896 (0x1320) instead?

0x1320 was myself trying to remember code I saw years ago. Don't take it as gospel.