Patch 3.2

[warz]

ah. well, without the summoning boss, that place is insanely easy on normal 5 man. it's just free gear, haha. i died once my first time in there right after dismounting, because i auto-swung a mob on accident and it killed me before tank got to it. i tried finding the loot table for the place, though, and couldn't find it. all i ever saw drop was a ton of plate. our pally got a completely new ret set from there in 1 run. lol.

[Hitmen]

i tried finding the loot table for the place, though, and couldn't find it.

clicky

[warz]

nice. all i need from normal 5 man are the shoulders. i could use several pieces from the heroic mode.

[Furious]

Downfall to 3.2:  People ( some, not all obviously ) are expecting you to be 'geared' for Heroics.  I went to do a H-ToC this morning with my brother on my Mage and the douchebag Rogue we had left bitching about not wanting to 'carry' me.  I didn't know my 2k+ DPS wasn't sufficient for Heroics anymore.

[Joe]

ToC is to Wrath is as MGT was to BC. You need to be geared for it.

[Hitmen]

2k dps is fine for ToC, I've done it successfully with 3 scrub dps doing less than me as the tank. Just need a good healer!

[warz]

regular 5 man ToC is easier than most older 5 man heroics. anyone can do regular 5 man ToC in just-80 blues. heroic 5 man toc isnt much harder.

id say dont go into 10 man toc without being slightly geared though. i agree that "want geared people for heroics" is gay, though. lol.

[Furious]

Regular ToC can be farmed by a group of 78+.  I had every cloth piece on my Mage from normal, aside from the shoulders before I hit 80.

Heroic ToC isn't much harder, it requires people to have half a brain.

[warz]

The whole "looking for geared people for heroic 5 mans" thing has kind of blown over, on my server. Everyone has their conq badge pieces now, so it's back to normal. As soon as 3.2 came out I had just finished getting all the heroic 5 man gear I needed, so I was burned out on them, so I've still got like 20 badges to go before I can get my helm. I've got my chest piece.

I did a constant 4.5k dps in heroic voa today, though. Was pretty happy about that.

[Furious]

I was pulling 3.7k in a caster group on my DK in H-ToC and pulling 4.5k on my Mage that hit 80 less than a week ago in VoA25 today.

SRSBZNS

[warz]

I was pulling 3.7k in a caster group on my DK in H-ToC and pulling 4.5k on my Mage that hit 80 less than a week ago in VoA25 today.

SRSBZNS

Really? Is your mage already like 4.5k gear score in less than a week? Highest DPS I've seen on my own Recount so far was by a Warlock using Incinerate, and he did 6k dps in VoA. That's followed by another 4.5k gear score Mage in OS 25, I think, doing like ~5.5k.

I've put a lot of work into my Hunters gear, compared to my other 80s, and I've enchanted and gemmed everything as good as I can get it. I've min/maxed everything using femaledwarf.com (a hunter max dps site). 4.5k was the best I've gotten, despite the femaledwarf site saying I should be pulling 6.3k completely raid buffed on a boss like Patchwerk (one of the only real bosses that you can rate actual constant dps on just becauses its a literal tank n spank dps race).

Actually, now that I think about it, I haven't even respec'd to drop my hit rating talent points yet. lol. I don't need them anymore, and there's a few talents that'll increase my maximum dps.

[warz]

Holy crap. I just respec'd to drop Focused Aim, since I no longer need hit rating help from talents, and I realized that I hadn't ever trained Black Arrow beyond rank 1. Black Arrow is my second highest priority attack. I should see a huge dps increase in my next Naxx 25 run - hopefully.

[Furious]

I was pulling 3.7k in a caster group on my DK in H-ToC and pulling 4.5k on my Mage that hit 80 less than a week ago in VoA25 today.

SRSBZNS

Really? Is your mage already like 4.5k gear score in less than a week? Highest DPS I've seen on my own Recount so far was by a Warlock using Incinerate, and he did 6k dps in VoA. That's followed by another 4.5k gear score Mage in OS 25, I think, doing like ~5.5k.

I've put a lot of work into my Hunters gear, compared to my other 80s, and I've enchanted and gemmed everything as good as I can get it. I've min/maxed everything using femaledwarf.com (a hunter max dps site). 4.5k was the best I've gotten, despite the femaledwarf site saying I should be pulling 6.3k completely raid buffed on a boss like Patchwerk (one of the only real bosses that you can rate actual constant dps on just becauses its a literal tank n spank dps race).

Actually, now that I think about it, I haven't even respec'd to drop my hit rating talent points yet. lol. I don't need them anymore, and there's a few talents that'll increase my maximum dps.

Gear score?  What's everyones new found fascination with this gear score shit?  Player skill > player gear, it always has.  I watched a Naxx25 / Uld25 geared Huntard pull 1.7k in H-VH.  4.5k raid buffed isn't anything to gloat about, it should be pretty common in a full set of epics.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Winterhoof&n=Corgas -- DK

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Winterhoof&n=Panda -- Mage

Both are alts and both can sustain over 3k in Heroics assuming I've got a competent tank.

[warz]

Gear score?  What's everyones new found fascination with this gear score shit?  Player skill > player gear, it always has.  I watched a Naxx25 / Uld25 geared Huntard pull 1.7k in H-VH.  4.5k raid buffed isn't anything to gloat about, it should be pretty common in a full set of epics.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Winterhoof&n=Corgas -- DK

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Winterhoof&n=Panda -- Mage

Both are alts and both can sustain over 3k in Heroics assuming I've got a competent tank.

Gear score, yes. It's not necesarilly new. It's not shit, either, really - unless you're on the low end of it and get called out, which I have been before. Sure, player skill is always nice, and is more important than gear in the reversed situation you mentioned. But, in the typical scenario, somebody with low end gear has a maximum amount of dps they can do despite skill. This is where gear score comes in handy when you're looking for a fast and easy Naxx 25 run, or Ulduar run. I'd say the most common average dps that I see from day to day would be 3-3.5k dps. When I see 4k or higher, I know that person has put some time and effort into their gear, gems and enchants, usually - unless they've just been carried and geared through Ulduar and have no gems or enchants, heh.

I wasn't really gloating, either. heh. I'll be gloating if I ever find myself doing 6k like the damn Warlock I saw.

[Furious]

Wasn't trying to imply you were gloating.   

Especially with loot now being easily obtainable, gear =/= skill.  Between VoA, ToC and badge gear you can obtain 4/5 T8.5 and Ulduar level gear with a few weeks ( at most ) of farming.  Like this morning, a 'well geared Mage' was in LFG.  Yeah, he had 4/5 T8.  Yeah he was socketing hit + spirit while WAY over the hit cap.

On a side note, it's such a pain in the ass to find a group as a DPS DK.  Too many baddies giving decent players bad rep.

Edit:  I wasn't saying the gear scoring was new, but I'm seeing a lot more people looking at it as a sign of skill in general, which is why I said 'new found fascination'.