Mangix > Joe?

[Joe]

(03:12:04) Mangix: all IDEs for anything in the world SUCK
(03:12:12) [x86] Joe: oo
(03:12:15) Mangix: *snickers*
(03:12:15) [x86] Joe: get off AIM now
(03:12:16) [x86] Joe: NOW
(03:12:19) [x86] Joe: GET OFF IT NOW
(03:12:22) [x86] Joe: REPENT NOW OR DIE
(03:12:27) Mangix: ...
(03:12:30) [x86] Joe: (AIM is a GUI for the oscar protocol)
(03:12:32) Mangix: AIM is not an IDE
(03:12:32) [x86] Joe: gfg.
(03:12:46) [x86] Joe: Well, AIM has a gui.
(03:12:49) [x86] Joe: brb
(03:13:05) Mangix: WTF
(03:13:09) Mangix: IDE means Integrated Development Environment
(03:13:19) Mangix: how the fuck do you develop something using AIM
(03:14:03) [x86] Joe: hehe shit
(03:14:11) [x86] Joe: I mixed IDE up with GUI
(03:14:12) [x86] Joe: =/
(03:14:18) Mangix: lol

*cuts himself*

[Krazed]

*sharpens knives*

[Mythix]

*prefers flame thrower*

[Blaze]

(03:12:04) Mangix: all IDEs for anything in the world SUCK

I like IDE's... 

[drka]

IDEs suck because of 1 reason. you dont need them. you can do exactly the same things in Notepad and your IDE of choice. IDEs just prove you newb the world really is -_-.

now i just have to wonder if programmer's notepad is an IDE .

[Ergot]

The only IDE I know is the cable

[drka]

by IDE i mean Integrated Development Enviroment not integrated drive electronics

[iago]

IDEs suck because of 1 reason. you dont need them. you can do exactly the same things in Notepad and your IDE of choice. IDEs just prove you newb the world really is -_-.

now i just have to wonder if programmer's notepad is an IDE .

What about those of us who have a terrible short-term memory and can't remember variable names or the order of function parameters?  When I don't have an IDE, I waste a lot of time looking up information (although on Linux, it's usually just "man command") and searching for my own functions to remind myself of the names.

I like IDEs for the sole reason that I have a bad memory.

[Quik]

Mangix, you have some interesting theories. If you could back this up with actually KNOWLEDGE, then we would be satisfied. You would never survive without an IDE of some sort, because it makes everything easy, which you're used to.

[Ergot]

Magnix have you tried programming with pen and paper? With like no reference books. It's hard .

[CrAz3D]

IDEs just prove you newb the world really is -_-.

I'd rather be able to write a comprehensible sentence than write something without IDE.

[Quik]

Hahahah that's a gem!

IDEs just prove you newb the world really is -_-.

Self-inclusive, I like that!

[MyndFyre]

Mangix > Joe?

It's hard to see from the top the differences between the little people...

[Newby]

IDEs suck because of 1 reason. you dont need them. you can do exactly the same things in Notepad and your IDE of choice. IDEs just prove you newb the world really is -_-.

now i just have to wonder if programmer's notepad is an IDE .

They save time, have syntax highlighting, often have information built-in to them, debuggers, etc.

How do they prove "you newb the world really is" again? I love IDEs.

[iago]

IDEs suck because of 1 reason. you dont need them. you can do exactly the same things in Notepad and your IDE of choice. IDEs just prove you newb the world really is -_-.

now i just have to wonder if programmer's notepad is an IDE .

They save time, have syntax highlighting, often have information built-in to them, debuggers, etc.

How do they prove "you newb the world really is" again? I love IDEs.

The syntax highlighting isn't specifically an IDE feature, it's an editor feature, so you can't really use that.

Also, I prefer debugging with gdb, which is a separate program, to using an IDE debugger.

The information you require can be found elsewhere, usually just as fast.

[Ergot]

iago flip-flops ! Or just amazingly open minded.

[Krazed]

Wait, so you program in VB right? And you hate IDEs? Please, tell me how that works out for you.

[iago]

iago flip-flops ! Or just amazingly open minded.

I like IDEs for different reasons than he does, and I don't like his reasons

[drka]

Wait, so you program in VB right? And you hate IDEs? Please, tell me how that works out for you.

im forced to use the VB IDE because i dont like putting all the code in Notepad and then transfering it over to VB to compile it.

[Krazed]

Wait, so you program in VB right? And you hate IDEs? Please, tell me how that works out for you.

im forced to use the VB IDE because i dont like putting all the code in Notepad and then transfering it over to VB to compile it.

That would just be stupid.

[drka]

which is why i have to use the VB IDE. and for the GUI names and all that crap as well.

[Krazed]

I believe the VB IDE is all that crap.   

[Blaze]

http://blazenet.servebeer.com/images/BlazesVB.JPG

Theming is fun...

[CrAz3D]

OMG Hax0r!

[rabbit]

http://blazenet.servebeer.com/images/BlazesVB.JPG

Theming is fun...

That is...reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllllly ugly.

[Blaze]

I'd like to see better, that isn't the default...

[rabbit]

The default is just fine.

[MyndFyre]

Wait, so you program in VB right? And you hate IDEs? Please, tell me how that works out for you.

im forced to use the VB IDE because i dont like putting all the code in Notepad and then transfering it over to VB to compile it.

Use VB.NET and the command line compiler.  Best of all it's free you way elite h4x0r!

[Tuberload]

Wait, so you program in VB right? And you hate IDEs? Please, tell me how that works out for you.

im forced to use the VB IDE because i dont like putting all the code in Notepad and then transfering it over to VB to compile it.

Then why not create your code in notepad and use a the same compiler that the VB IDE uses from a command prompt?

[Tuberload]

Also, I prefer debugging with gdb, which is a separate program, to using an IDE debugger.

Yes, but a good IDE will allow you to use gdb as a plugin, or whatever you want to call it, would it not?

[iago]

Also, I prefer debugging with gdb, which is a separate program, to using an IDE debugger.

Yes, but a good IDE will allow you to use gdb as a plugin, or whatever you want to call it, would it not?

Yeah, but then you aren't interacting directly with the debugger, you're using a layer of abstraction.  Which might be ok, but I like directly using the debugger.

[Tuberload]

Yeah, but then you aren't interacting directly with the debugger, you're using a layer of abstraction.  Which might be ok, but I like directly using the debugger.

True, but it is still a feature of a good IDE illiminating the need to use a possible built in debugger that the IDE may contain. A layer of abstraction could be a GUI could it not? You now have to push buttons and check check boxes instead of typing out a complicated command on a command prompt (or *nix equivilant). Wether this is beneficial to you or not is not up to me to decide, but it is still beneficial to someone.

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Combine that with all of the other beneficial features present in IDE's that promote speed, efficiancy, clarity, yada, yada. I do not see how an IDE is for "newbs".

[Joe]

* Joe[x86] salutes Tuberload with respect.

[Warrior]

In PHP for example, I live NotePad2

It bolds the brackes as you mouse over them so you can see which ones relate to which.
Good if you have a ~200 line function and are getting confused while closing.

[rabbit]

I use notepad2 for PHP, X/HTML, CSS, C, C++, and English papers.  It's versatile!

[Blaze]

I use it for php, css, html, and any file that doesn't have a deault program to open with.

[iago]

Tuberload - "complicated commands"?  I don't think "b" for break is complicated, or "bm" for break on memory, or "step" to step, or "go" to go, or "trace" to trace, or "view" to view, and so on.  There's nothing complicated for somebody who's willing to learn it.  Anyway, the option is there.  I have nothing against gui-based ones, I just happen to like my console one.  Both are good. 

Warrior - 2 things.  Your brackets should line up with each other, so it's easy to match them up, and if a function is so long you get brackets mixed up then you can probably break it into sub-functions.  If it is difficult for an average programmer to trace out a function, then your function is too complicated.  That's a good rule of thumb. 

[Warrior]

They do but since my code is tabbed sometimes when I'm reclosing I have to make it go back to the starting point.
I just get confuse *cry*

[Tuberload]

Tuberload - "complicated commands"?  I don't think "b" for break is complicated, or "bm" for break on memory, or "step" to step, or "go" to go, or "trace" to trace, or "view" to view, and so on.  There's nothing complicated for somebody who's willing to learn it.  Anyway, the option is there.  I have nothing against gui-based ones, I just happen to like my console one.  Both are good. 

The whole point of what I said just established the fact that some people would like to take less time and click a ceck box or a button then hit debug instead of typing out a long command line and that does not make them "newbs"... You said yourself you like IDE's due to the fact that they make it easier for you to remember methods and such because you can't remember and have to look them up. Oh shit I can't remember what I have to type to get the program to do a specific thing I have to look it up. Will you please explain to me the difference? Maybe if you were willing to learn you would not need an IDE to remember all of Java's classes and methods?

[iago]

less time and click a ceck box or a button then hit debug instead of typing out a long command line

Lies!  It's faster to do it from commandline.

There are a lot less debug commands than there are Java classes.  Or C functions. 

I'm not calling anybody a newb.  I'm fine with using a graphical debugger, I do it enough.  But I also use and like the commandline one.  They're all good.

[Tuberload]

less time and click a ceck box or a button then hit debug instead of typing out a long command line

Lies!  It's faster to do it from commandline.

There are a lot less debug commands than there are Java classes.  Or C functions. 

I'm not calling anybody a newb.  I'm fine with using a graphical debugger, I do it enough.  But I also use and like the commandline one.  They're all good.

Agreed on everything but; if you saved the setting for the debugger command and then hotkeyed the debugger I think it would be faster than typing it out, would it not?

[iago]

less time and click a ceck box or a button then hit debug instead of typing out a long command line

Lies!  It's faster to do it from commandline.

There are a lot less debug commands than there are Java classes.  Or C functions. 

I'm not calling anybody a newb.  I'm fine with using a graphical debugger, I do it enough.  But I also use and like the commandline one.  They're all good.

Agreed on everything but; if you saved the setting for the debugger command and then hotkeyed the debugger I think it would be faster than typing it out, would it not?

In keeping with the UNIX tradition, most commands are 1 or 2 characters long.  It's faster for me to type, say, "go<enter>" than to hit F9 because my fingers never have to leave home row.