What to do about the Middle East

[CrAz3D]

You all know what has happened (I hope), but what do you think needs to be done to stop it?

We obviously can't take over the entire Middle East & instate democracy (yet)...but even that is taking much time in Iraq.  Terrorism needs to stop sooner than we can do it using minimal force, I believe it is time to eliminate the threat.

[Newby]

Nuke 'em all.

[CrAz3D]

Define all...

I am dead serious about nuking a few cities, maybe one in Syria, I'm not exactly sure, just anhilate the city.

See what the terrorists' reaction to that is...if they continue to attack us I believe we should flatten the entire Middle East.  There is no need for it.  They are contributing nothing but voilence to this earth.  I'm all for stereo typing...I no longer care about stepping on people's feet/toes/face

[rabbit]

You're stupid.  Not every person in the middle east is a terrorist.  Why should millions of lives be sacrificed to kill a few thousand?

[Newby]

You're stupid.  Not every person in the middle east is a terrorist.  Why should millions of lives be sacrificed to kill a few thousand?

Because that few thousand, if given an oppertunity, will kill millions.

[Warrior]

We need to establish a means of cooperation with the nations of the middle east so THEY can fight the threat themselves, if they need any assitance then we get out the bombs.

[rabbit]

You're stupid.  Not every person in the middle east is a terrorist.  Why should millions of lives be sacrificed to kill a few thousand?

Because that few thousand, if given an oppertunity, will kill millions.

So we should kill millions instead?  You realize that less than two dozen people are required to drop a nuke (President -> Commaner -> Ground Crew -> Flight Crew)?  Doing that would make us no better, and equally terroristic, which in turn would pave the path for other countries to nuke us.  Wow.  That's a good idea.

[Warrior]

All nukes should be destroyed.

[CrAz3D]

I spose now that the initial 'shock' is over I've settled down a bit.
But I still only see a few options.

1) Talk it out:  "Dude, Bin Laden, what do you have against us?...we buy your oil, let's work it out eh?  You stop bombing us we'll, leave the Middle East"
2) Take out terrorists 1 by 1:  This could literally take forever, that doesn't sound like a good plan to me
3) Hiroshima approach (non-nuclear):  Just flatten a small city until Bin Laden (& whomever) agrees to sit down & talk

[Newby]

3) Hiroshima approach (non-nuclear):  Just flatten a small city until Bin Laden (& whomever) agrees to sit down & talk

You think he cares?

Simple solution: Evacuate the cities, and nuke away.

You act as if they're civilized or something.

Now, I may be a total racist, but the way I see it is kill or be killed.

If we don't kill them now, we'll have to continually put up with their terrorist attacks that kill off our people. It could continue to the end of time.

If we kill them now, we have a few issues of why we did this, the massive amounts of innocents killed, etc., but in the end it's a smarter idea, IMO.

[01Linux]

Get anything worthwhile out of there, YONI!. and then drop a bomb.

[Newby]

I pity you democrats who think you can talk it out.

[Sidoh]

I pity you democrats who think you can talk it out.

... Werd

[CrAz3D]

If you think about it, once they get a nuclear bomb they will attack.  I mean it makes perfect sense to me...they just randomly attack on 9/11 so why wouldn't they just fuck up the whole world sometime.

I spose we can wait for that to happen, but then we still wouldn't destroy the middle east cause there are too many damn bleeding heart liberals that think "you can fix anything if you try hard enough".  I'd rather fix it my way & be done

[CrAz3D]

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The US didn't get where it is today by sitting there HOPING the King of Englad will just forget about us over here....we stoof up & said screw you!

[iago]

I think that the Middle East should be bombed and invaded.  That would piss off a whole bunch more people, and the terrorist attacks will become even more frequent.

Until the United States (not to mention England) is willing to calm down and stop trying to force their beliefs on the world, we will all see a lot more attacks. 

[CrAz3D]

No no no, we don't invade...just nuke the whole place making it uninhabital...that way everyone is dead & there are no terrorists there

[iago]

Terrorists will come from other places. 

[rabbit]

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The US didn't get where it is today by sitting there HOPING the King of Englad will just forget about us over here....we stoof up & said screw you!

We didn't flatten London, or ANY city for that matter.

I pity you democrats who think you can talk it out.

I never said talk it out, that was Cr4z3D's idea.  All I said was don't kill millions of innocent people to kill the few terrorists.

As long as somebody is in the minority and willing to die and kill for change, there will be terrorists in the world.  No matter what we do, we can't change this.  Also, not every Muslim is "evil".  Muslims are descended from Abraham, just like Jews and Christians.  Islam also recognizes Moses and Jesus as prophets.  The only real differences are the language, methods of practice, and the whole women thing (that's a different thread though).  Why do you say they are all evil?  O wait, I know.  You're a stupid, prejudice moron.  Sorry, but if you say "Muslims are evil", then that's what you are.

[CrAz3D]

blah blah blah, Muslim Islam, blah blah blah

Did anyone say Muslims are evil?

[Warrior]

Nuking them would make the land unusable for quite some time and would destroy the center of the worlds most ancient history.

Nuking anything is a bad idea.

[CrAz3D]

Ok, we've been there & talked about it...you're beating a dead horse

[Networks]

blah blah blah, Muslim Islam, blah blah blah

Did anyone say Muslims are evil?

That's rather racist CrAz3D, and I am quite surprised. Try not to become another ignorant American. There's a huge difference between Muslism and Muslim extremists.

If you nuke the Middle East, other nations will become EXTREMELY furious with the United States which in turn means more terrorists but of a different race. Newby claimed they would kill millions of us, they have killed what maybe 1500 (soldiers) + 200 (our civilians) + 3500 (twin towers). That's hardly constituting 1 million or anywhere close. Also if you nuke the terrorists, I doubt they're hanging around in the cities just waiting to be caught, infact you're nuking the "good" muslims/islamic people, spawning more terrorists, and the original terrorists are still alive. What have you resolved? More destruction you wasted money, and you've made a 3rd world country go back in time in which case you'll eventually spend MORE money rebuilding it from scratch. Everyone should realize that not all muslims are bad people and discriminating against them makes them hate you and really you're only creating more "terrorists."

However CrAz3D, if you had the chance to simply talk to Bin Laden, I highly doubt you'd "talk", you'd chop his head off or something. The only viable approach is to go after them and stop the attacks from the source, finding the source seems like the problem at hand.

[CrAz3D]

blah blah blah, Muslim Islam, blah blah blah

Did anyone say Muslims are evil?

That's rather racist CrAz3D, and I am quite surprised. Try not to become another ignorant American. There's a huge difference between Muslism and Muslim extremists.

WTF?  Where was I being racist?...  Rabbit started going off about how not every Muslim was evil (no one has said in this thread that they were evil) so I sarcastically said the "blah blah blah..." comment followed by a statement that makes sense because no one has said Muslims are evil.

If you nuke the Middle East, other nations will become EXTREMELY furious with the United States which in turn means more terrorists but of a different race. Newby claimed they would kill millions of us, they have killed what maybe 1500 (soldiers) + 200 (our civilians) + 3500 (twin towers). That's hardly constituting 1 million or anywhere close. Also if you nuke the terrorists, I doubt they're hanging around in the cities just waiting to be caught, infact you're nuking the "good" muslims/islamic people, spawning more terrorists, and the original terrorists are still alive. What have you resolved? More destruction you wasted money, and you've made a 3rd world country go back in time in which case you'll eventually spend MORE money rebuilding it from scratch. Everyone should realize that not all muslims are bad people and discriminating against them makes them hate you and really you're only creating more "terrorists."

Think about it, if a terrorist gets a nuke they'd so totally use it cause there would be no repurcussions.  Let's see...nuking the NYC area would kill what,maybe 10 million people?  How big of an area would a 15kiloton bomb take out?...if the initial blast doesn't kill all of the 18 million people in the NYC area the radioactive fallout crap will make everyone glow in the dark.

However CrAz3D, if you had the chance to simply talk to Bin Laden, I highly doubt you'd "talk", you'd chop his head off or something. The only viable approach is to go after them and stop the attacks from the source, finding the source seems like the problem at hand.

Hmm, "killing is bad", "it's not my place to judge", "some people should die but that isn't my choice", etc...
I don't think I'd kill him, it wouldn't be as fun as torturing him. (seriously)

[iago]

However CrAz3D, if you had the chance to simply talk to Bin Laden, I highly doubt you'd "talk", you'd chop his head off or something. The only viable approach is to go after them and stop the attacks from the source, finding the source seems like the problem at hand.

Bin Laden isn't the source, he's a spokesman or, if he dies, he'll be a martyr.  That's even worse. 

The source is people's hatred towards the United States and other countries.  Solve that?

[CrAz3D]

However CrAz3D, if you had the chance to simply talk to Bin Laden, I highly doubt you'd "talk", you'd chop his head off or something. The only viable approach is to go after them and stop the attacks from the source, finding the source seems like the problem at hand.

Bin Laden isn't the source, he's a spokesman or, if he dies, he'll be a martyr.  That's even worse. 

The source is people's hatred towards the United States and other countries.  Solve that?

I knew there was something to point out...(this also supports destroying the entire Middle East, however immoral that may be)

[iago]

However CrAz3D, if you had the chance to simply talk to Bin Laden, I highly doubt you'd "talk", you'd chop his head off or something. The only viable approach is to go after them and stop the attacks from the source, finding the source seems like the problem at hand.

Bin Laden isn't the source, he's a spokesman or, if he dies, he'll be a martyr.  That's even worse. 

The source is people's hatred towards the United States and other countries.  Solve that?

I knew there was something to point out...(this also supports destroying the entire Middle East, however immoral that may be)

No, because then people from other countries will start getting pissed off.  And, since it's obviously impossible to face the US head on, they'll also be forced to commit terror-style attacks.

[CrAz3D]

then maybe tey should deal with it