Drugs: Harmless Fun?

[Screenor]

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/3215/CNNNN_Firth_Factor_Drugs.html?autoplay=true

Quite funny. Comment.

[Blaze]

Duh, of course 99% of children do drugs everyday... I thought that was commen knowledge!

[Screenor]

Duh, of course 99% of children do drugs everyday... I thought that was commen knowledge!

Hah, of course!

[GameSnake]

Those anti-drug fucktards need to be made fun of more often. Marijuana IS (for the most part) harmless and victimless fun.

[Super_X]

Lung Cancer?  I heard a hit off of the reefer was worse for you then a ciggeret. I doubt it though, Cigs've got tar, and what have you.

Also, arn't anti-depressants drugs? I mean, they alter your state of mind. They change your chemical balance.

[Screenor]

Lung Cancer?  I heard a hit off of the reefer was worse for you then a ciggeret. I doubt it though, Cigs've got tar, and what have you.

Also, arn't anti-depressants drugs? I mean, they alter your state of mind. They change your chemical balance.

Trust me, I'm the only one who can even step anywhere near this type of arguement. Anti-depressants are made to change one chemical (I don't know the name of it exactly), and that's what makes you sad/happy, basically your emotings, if your brain is making too little of the chemical, (caused by being depressed), the anti-depressants will try and work with the brain to increase that amount over a certain period of time, but no, if by drugs that they get you in a state of ' high ', then no. You're thinking of morphene (sp), a pain releiver.

[Super_X]

No, by defination a drug in somehting that alters your mind, or mind set.

# A drug is any substance that can be used to modify a chemical process or processes in the body, for example to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, enhance a performance or ability, or to alter states of mind. The word "drug" is etymologically derived from the Dutch/Low German word "droog", which means "dry", since in the past, most drugs were dried plant parts.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug

So, like Cafeene and things of that sort'd be drugs, too. I am on drugs on  daily basis.

[Screenor]

No, by defination a drug in somehting that alters your mind, or mind set.

# A drug is any substance that can be used to modify a chemical process or processes in the body, for example to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, enhance a performance or ability, or to alter states of mind. The word "drug" is etymologically derived from the Dutch/Low German word "droog", which means "dry", since in the past, most drugs were dried plant parts.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug

So, like Cafeene and things of that sort'd be drugs, too. I am on drugs on  daily basis.

A drug doesn't have to altar your mind, the word ' drug ' has more then one single definition.

[Super_X]

A drug doesn't have to altar your mind,

But, it can!

the word ' drug ' has more then one single definition.

Most words in english do.. and it sucks for me in school, I'm supposed to memorize the webster-deffination, and the wikipedia-defenation of 3,000 words in 6 weeks. (Not hard.. just leingthly.)

[Screenor]

A drug doesn't have to altar your mind,

But, it can!

the word ' drug ' has more then one single definition.

Most words in english do.. and it sucks for me in school, I'm supposed to memorize the webster-deffination, and the wikipedia-defenation of 3,000 words in 6 weeks. (Not hard.. just leingthly.)

But it doesn't have to! Making that definition absolete.

[Quik]

Those anti-drug fucktards need to be made fun of more often. Marijuana IS (for the most part) harmless and victimless fun.

Yeah! Free Tommy Chong!

[Blaze]

You're thinking of morphene (sp), a pain releiver.

Maybe a little morphine will refresh my memory... Way to go Homa!
Morphine is still a (powerful) drug.

[Sidoh]

Morphine fucks you up... I know first hand.

Those anti-drug fucktards need to be made fun of more often. Marijuana IS (for the most part) harmless and victimless fun.

I'd rather not associate myself with such a unhealthily obsessive past-time.

[Blaze]

Morphine fucks you up... I know first hand.

Amen.

[Sidoh]

Amen.

Err... forgot to elaborate.  When I was about 9 years old, I was inflicted with a spiral fracture of my Femur.  It was broken in 3 places and I was in a spika cast (About 1/2 a body cast) for almost 4 months.  I was on crutches for about 2 months after that.

They gave me Morphine for the first week or so after I broke it.  It made my leg twich, which hurt... really badly.

[Blaze]

Morphine is not *supposed* to be for people under the age of 18; you must have been screwed really bad.

[MyndFyre]

Anti-depressants are made to change one chemical (I don't know the name of it exactly), and that's what makes you sad/happy, basically your emotings, if your brain is making too little of the chemical, (caused by being depressed), the anti-depressants will try and work with the brain to increase that amount over a certain period of time, but no, if by drugs that they get you in a state of ' high ', then no. You're thinking of morphene (sp), a pain releiver.

They're supposed to change your endorphine levels.  Endorphines are hormones that are related to your happiness (high endorphines correlate with feelings of joy).

The problem is, exposing your brain to too much stimulation of endorphines can cause brain damage.

[Sidoh]

Morphine is not *supposed* to be for people under the age of 18; you must have been screwed really bad.

Yeah.  It was in 'child doses', but I was 9.  I was barely 70 lbs.

[Towelie]

Those anti-drug fucktards need to be made fun of more often. Marijuana IS (for the most part) harmless and victimless fun.

I'm sorry to tell you, but marijuana makes you... forget things easier. I dont think its as harmfull to your body, but I'm not going to touch it for that reason.

[Super_X]

Anti-depressants are made to change one chemical (I don't know the name of it exactly), and that's what makes you sad/happy, basically your emotings, if your brain is making too little of the chemical, (caused by being depressed), the anti-depressants will try and work with the brain to increase that amount over a certain period of time, but no, if by drugs that they get you in a state of ' high ', then no. You're thinking of morphene (sp), a pain releiver.

They're supposed to change your endorphine levels. Endorphines are hormones that are related to your happiness (high endorphines correlate with feelings of joy).

The problem is, exposing your brain to too much stimulation of endorphines can cause brain damage.

Please tell me that this generation's Emo's will die of brain cancer at the age of 30?~!

[Armin]

Lung Cancer?  I heard a hit off of the reefer was worse for you then a ciggeret. I doubt it though, Cigs've got tar, and what have you.

That's supposedly true, but you wouldn't smoke marijuana nearly as much as you would a cigarette. For medical marijuana there's something called a "vaporizer", which doesn't actually burn the marijuana, or something else crazy like that. This way, it is basically harmless to you're lungs.

Those anti-drug fucktards need to be made fun of more often. Marijuana IS (for the most part) harmless and victimless fun.

I'm sorry to tell you, but marijuana makes you... forget things easier. I dont think its as harmfull to your body, but I'm not going to touch it for that reason.

The majority or marijuana's major effects wear off after only 3 days. The rest of them, such as memory loss, wear off after a week.

Also, before people start making assumptions, I don't smoke marijuana, I've just read many books about it.

[Joe]

haha, towelie might forget how to masturbate. Dude, that would be sooo funny!

Anyhow, the only drug I've ever done (except at the times it was prescribed to be taken) was taking a prescription sleep aid before school. I was sleeping pretty much all morning, with a 2 minute break between naps when I walked.. er.. moaped.. to class.

[Screenor]

haha, towelie might forget how to masturbate. Dude, that would be sooo funny!

Anyhow, the only drug I've ever done (except at the times it was prescribed to be taken) was taking a prescription sleep aid before school. I was sleeping pretty much all morning, with a 2 minute break between naps when I walked.. er.. moaped.. to class.

You're so funny I forgot to laugh, you hardcore druglord you.

Anti-depressants are made to change one chemical (I don't know the name of it exactly), and that's what makes you sad/happy, basically your emotings, if your brain is making too little of the chemical, (caused by being depressed), the anti-depressants will try and work with the brain to increase that amount over a certain period of time, but no, if by drugs that they get you in a state of ' high ', then no. You're thinking of morphene (sp), a pain releiver.

They're supposed to change your endorphine levels. Endorphines are hormones that are related to your happiness (high endorphines correlate with feelings of joy).

The problem is, exposing your brain to too much stimulation of endorphines can cause brain damage.

That's why it's dangerous being on that type of medication untill they figure out the right dosage, it's not exactly..fun, because if you're on too little, you're still depressed, if you're on too much, you sleep constantly, and no matter how much you slept, one hour later you're going to be right back in bed sleeping again. But I beleive the max dosage for anti-depressants is 350mg.

[TheSickEmpire]

Lung Cancer?  I heard a hit off of the reefer was worse for you then a ciggeret. I doubt it though, Cigs've got tar, and what have you.

Also, arn't anti-depressants drugs? I mean, they alter your state of mind. They change your chemical balance.

Trust me, I'm the only one who can even step anywhere near this type of arguement. Anti-depressants are made to change one chemical (I don't know the name of it exactly), and that's what makes you sad/happy, basically your emotings, if your brain is making too little of the chemical, (caused by being depressed), the anti-depressants will try and work with the brain to increase that amount over a certain period of time, but no, if by drugs that they get you in a state of ' high ', then no. You're thinking of morphene (sp), a pain releiver.

Pain medication isin't the only type of medication that gets you 'high'. Take Ritalin for example.

[Screenor]

Lung Cancer?  I heard a hit off of the reefer was worse for you then a ciggeret. I doubt it though, Cigs've got tar, and what have you.

Also, arn't anti-depressants drugs? I mean, they alter your state of mind. They change your chemical balance.

Trust me, I'm the only one who can even step anywhere near this type of arguement. Anti-depressants are made to change one chemical (I don't know the name of it exactly), and that's what makes you sad/happy, basically your emotings, if your brain is making too little of the chemical, (caused by being depressed), the anti-depressants will try and work with the brain to increase that amount over a certain period of time, but no, if by drugs that they get you in a state of ' high ', then no. You're thinking of morphene (sp), a pain releiver.

Pain medication isin't the only type of medication that gets you 'high'. Take Ritalin for example.

I was using it as an example, anti-depressants don't get you high, that was his original arguement.

[GameSnake]

Lung Cancer?  I heard a hit off of the reefer was worse for you then a ciggeret. I doubt it though, Cigs've got tar, and what have you.

Also, arn't anti-depressants drugs? I mean, they alter your state of mind. They change your chemical balance.

Those anti-drug fucktards need to be made fun of more often. Marijuana IS (for the most part) harmless and victimless fun.

I'm sorry to tell you, but marijuana makes you... forget things easier. I dont think its as harmfull to your body, but I'm not going to touch it for that reason.

No one has ever died of smoking pot, it is a true fact. There is NO overdose-toxicity level for THC, you couldn't possibly do enough of it to overdose. What you was trying to point out was this:


Burning plant material gives off Tar, a cannabis flower when smoked does produce 20% more tar per joint then a ciggerrette but for 1 I have NEVER seen a person go thru 20 joints a day, and for me it's usually 1 joint a day. Tar doesn't cause cancer it can increase the risk and be an irriatent to your lungs yes.
Cannabis does not have the chemicals in it that are added that are carceneginic like tabbaco does, and cannabis is NOT addictive unlike the highly addictive tabbaco.

Punch for punch tabbaco is alot more dangerous for you then cannabis is. For the allegation that marijuana makes you forget shit, I would say you're right to a certin extent, when you stop smoking reefer for a couple days those side affects go completely away, and one joint a day is only enough to make you forget stuff easly while your high, not the next day or for the rest of your life, no long term damage -- thats a lie.
Some people drink beer too which is the second leading cause of death from drugs (the first is tabbaco), some people smoke ciggerretes, some people enjoy programming in ASM, everyone has thier drug but in comparison to alot of things I don't think my drug of choice is the worst you could go with and you cannot argue that pot has been a negetive thing for me. Why? Because before I started smoking I was 230 pounds, failing miserably in school and a general outcast. When I started smoking pot at this time I also started realizing how bad my life sucked so I lost alot of weight (90 lbs USA so far), gettings A's and B's in school and am alot more social now a days. And if you try to say I exchanged food for pot then you're wrong: I get severe munchies and eat alot of food sometimes on pot, so it hasn't really helped in my dieting but the major change was I got out and stopped being so lazy.

Alls i'm trying to say is the [USA] goverment gives you thier drugs and trys to defame pot with disinformation or disleading information.

Do your own research into how supposedly dangerous pot is for you if you cant take my word for it, and dont just goto .gov sites with biased information, goto proven facts and unbiased based informational sites.

[MyndFyre]

No one has ever died of smoking pot, it is a true fact. There is NO overdose-toxicity level for THC, you couldn't possibly do enough of it to overdose. What you was trying to point out was this:

No, but people *have* died of smoking pot and then driving.  It has similar inhibiting effects as alcohol.

[Sty]

Marijuana is in fact more harmfull to you than a cigarette, why? Marijuana smoke is inhaled deeper therefore it is in the lungs for a longer period of time... Also Marijuana is Carcinogenic, it increases the chance of brain/throat cancer by 60%... I had to research all of this bullshit when Malori was trying to tell me it was harmless, I hate kids these days. *cough*

I have no respect for anyone that uses any sort of drugs for fun... Oh and about your anti-depressant crap, my cousin killed herself and the autopsy came back with that being the reason, docters in the United States prescribe it way to often...

Gamesnake... "Punch for punch tabbaco is alot more dangerous for you then cannabis is."
I don't believe that to be truth, why you ask... Since Marijuana is enhaled more deeply your lungs are exposed to it for a longer period of time, tobbaco is smoked more often, yes, but if you smoke just one ciggerette and one joint, the Marijuana joint does more damage, puff per puff. (I'm not talking about vaporizing, which I'm also against, whenever you try to alter the brain you have to expect some sort of long term damage, although there haven't been any extensive long-term studies done on humans)

Besides the fact that when you use Marijuana on a regular basis you become sterile... although the effects seem to wear off in a matter of months.

[TheSickEmpire]

I have no respect for anyone that uses any sort of drugs for fun...

Yup.

[Sidoh]

I have no respect for anyone that uses any sort of drugs for fun...

<3.

[GameSnake]

Very rude and very intolerant. I can understand knocking hard drugs like herion and cocaine, but a drug like pot is NOT more dangerous then tabacco and you shouldn't be so rude as to tell me you have no respect for me just because of the way I like to relax, (from AIM convorsation) as iago told me one time "whatever happend to if it's victimless why punish it?", I actually respect iago's opinions alot more on pot, he doesn't smoke it but doesnt think it should be illegal and doesn't care what I do in my privacy, I wish alot more people were like that I really do.

I know, no matter WHAT I say someone will retort with something herioc and something that everyone wants to hear and everyone will

I have no respect for anyone that uses any sort of drugs for fun...

<3.

I have no respect for anyone that uses any sort of drugs for fun...

Yup.

do what they did.

Marijuana is in fact more harmfull to you than a cigarette, why? Marijuana smoke is inhaled deeper therefore it is in the lungs for a longer period of time... Also Marijuana is Carcinogenic, it increases the chance of brain/throat cancer by 60%... I had to research all of this bullshit when Malori was trying to tell me it was harmless, I hate kids these days. *cough*

I have no respect for anyone that uses any sort of drugs for fun... Oh and about your anti-depressant crap, my cousin killed herself and the autopsy came back with that being the reason, docters in the United States prescribe it way to often...

Gamesnake... "Punch for punch tabbaco is alot more dangerous for you then cannabis is."
I don't believe that to be truth, why you ask... Since Marijuana is enhaled more deeply your lungs are exposed to it for a longer period of time, tobbaco is smoked more often, yes, but if you smoke just one ciggerette and one joint, the Marijuana joint does more damage, puff per puff. (I'm not talking about vaporizing, which I'm also against, whenever you try to alter the brain you have to expect some sort of long term damage, although there haven't been any extensive long-term studies done on humans)

Besides the fact that when you use Marijuana on a regular basis you become sterile... although the effects seem to wear off in a matter of months.

Ok doctor Sty, your opinions against medical tests. Read this

    Many people think smoking marijuana is just as harmful as
smoking tobacco, but this is not true.  Those who hold that
marijuana is equivalent to tobacco are misinformed.  Due to the
efforts of various federal agencies to discourage use of
marijuana in the 1970's the government, in a fit of "reefer
madness," conducted several biased studies designed to return
results that would equate marijuana smoking with tobacco smoking,
or worse. 
     For example the Berkeley carcinogenic tar studies of the
late 1970's concluded that "marijuana is one-and-a-half times as
carcinogenic as tobacco."   This finding was based solely on the
tar content of cannabis leaves compared to that of tobacco, and
did not take radioactivity into consideration.  (Cannabis tars do
not contain radioactive materials.)  In addition, it was not
considered that: 
     1) Most marijuana smokers smoke the bud, not the leaf, of
the plant.  The bud contains only 33% as much tar as tobacco. 
     2) Marijuana smokers do not smoke anywhere near as much as
tobacco smokers, due to the psychoactive effects of cannabis.
     3) Not one case of lung cancer has ever been successfully
linked to marijuana use.   
     4) Cannabis, unlike tobacco, does not cause any narrowing of
the small air passageways in the lungs.   
     In fact, marijuana has been shown to be an expectorant and
actually dilates the air channels it comes in contact with.  This
is why many asthma sufferers look to marijuana to provide relief.
Doctors have postulated that marijuana may, in this respect, be
more effective than all of the prescription drugs on the market.
     Studies even show that due to marijuana's ability to clear
the lungs of smog, pollutants, and cigarette smoke, it may
actually reduce your risk of emphysema, bronchitis, and lung
cancer.  Smokers of cannabis have been shown to outlive non-
smokers in some areas by up to two years.  Medium to heavy
tobacco smokers will live seven to ten years longer if they also
smoke marijuana.

Rest of article
don't forget alcohol
You guys are easily duped by your goverment, obviously.

[GameSnake]

Marijuana does not make you sterile. Another myth. my proof
Why don't you read the rest of those pages too whie you're at it.

[Sty]

Like I told iago, I'm no longer very tolerant about drug use after I had to deal with Malori for 9 months, and you're not in the position to tell me what I can and can't do. Anyways, you should take a look at more than one study, I've actually read that article before but I dismissed it due to lack of proof.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html
http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/marijuana/

With all research pushed out of the way, I still have a problem with people using Marijuana, though I only care if it effects me directly... which it did with Malori, though I do see the use or Marijuana as a weakness in character. In this area all of the drug users are useless, they will never do anything to benefit the society as a whole. All of my views on this matter are based off of personal experience, I couldn't care less if there's no evidence that suggests Marijuana is deadly, I look at the effects it has on the people around me, and it's not good.

And I had no respect for you anyway, you have to earn that no matter if you do drugs or not.

About the sterile matter, I'm basing my statement off of a study with rats, I'll link you to the research paper whenever I feel like finding it. Also, you may want to read what I wrote in my last post before trying to form a statement of your own, I stated that puff per puff Marijuana is more harmfull, you said that Marijuana is not smoked as often as tobacco... I don't see why you even brought that up when I said "Puff per puff".

     1) Most marijuana smokers smoke the bud, not the leaf, of
the plant.  The bud contains only 33% as much tar as tobacco. 
     2) Marijuana smokers do not smoke anywhere near as much as
tobacco smokers, due to the psychoactive effects of cannabis.
     3) Not one case of lung cancer has ever been successfully
linked to marijuana use.   
     4) Cannabis, unlike tobacco, does not cause any narrowing of
the small air passageways in the lungs.

1) Most, I generally talk about the minority
2) Doesn't apply
3) The lack of proof can't be used as proof, and it hasn't been proven in Humans.
4) Good for you.

[TheSickEmpire]

Very rude and very intolerant. I can understand knocking hard drugs like herion and cocaine, but a drug like pot is NOT more dangerous then tabacco and you shouldn't be so rude as to tell me you have no respect for me just because of the way I like to relax (from AIM convorsation) as iago told me one time "whatever happend to if it's victimless why punish it?", I actually respect iago's opinions alot more on pot, he doesn't smoke it but doesnt think it should be illegal and doesn't care what I do in my privacy, I wish alot more people were like that I really do.

If someone wants to smoke pot in the privacy of their home I really could care less. That doesn't, however, stop me from loseing respect for someone that does it.

I know, no matter WHAT I say someone will retort with something herioc and something that everyone wants to hear and everyone will

That's what a civilized debate is. You asked for it.

You guys are easily duped by your goverment, obviously.

What government doesn't dupe it's people?

[GameSnake]

Sty, most of the world and most of europe believes the USA is a corrupted society. What I am trying to point out is your nations bullshit drugwar, where passing a joint gets you 5 years in jail. Why is your prisons so full of possesion-of-marijuana users when in most the world except communist countrys marijuana possesion is nothing more then it being taken away or a small fine? In Holland we adopted a soft drug policy that leads the way in preventing hard drug use like herion and cocaine getting mixed up with harmless personal amount marijuana users. We have a lower rate of using herion, coke, and pot then USA or Canada and most of europe is adopting simmiliar, effective laws.

[Sty]

People don't go to prison for 5 years for having Marijuana, they go to prison for an extended period of time for selling it... If you get pulled over and the cop finds less than a certain amount of Marijuana they do nothing... so what the hell are you trying to say?

If people make the choice to use it themselves I have no problem with it, but rarely does that happen... People have tried to get me to do it time and time again, people don't think for themselves anymore... At least in the United States, and I'm completely against it, all of the people in jail that have any ties to using drugs are in there for pushing it, and they should be there... If they aren't going to abide by the rules set down by the government for the good of the whole then they have no right to even be here...

[Sidoh]

Sty, most of the world and most of europe believes the USA is a corrupted society. What I am trying to point out is your nations bullshit drugwar, where passing a joint gets you 5 years in jail. Why is your prisons so full of possesion-of-marijuana users when in most the world except communist countrys marijuana possesion is nothing more then it being taken away or a small fine? In Holland we adopted a soft drug policy that leads the way in preventing hard drug use like herion and cocaine getting mixed up with harmless personal amount marijuana users. We have a lower rate of using herion, coke, and pot then USA or Canada and most of europe is adopting simmiliar, effective laws.

I'm sorry you believe what you've just stated.  Frankly, if you think that, it's your government that is corrupted, not ours.