A lot of stuff unrelated to Cattle Chat. :)

[Newby]

Your grader was foreign.

[iago]

Your grader was foreign.

Yes, she's Chinese.  When I was demonstrating it, she had A LOT of trouble figuring out what I was talking about.  It's so funny, I send the program to you or Ergot, and you are up and using it and can figure it out instantly.  She couldn't get past the word "channel"...

Ctrl+A; enter. They're all opened in ultra-edit.

Ctrl+F; "sucks"; all files.

Found.

hm, I'd just do "grep sucks *".  Seems like a lot less hassle then loading up Ultra-Edit, which is the bulkiest text editor I've used (that's not a full IDE)...

[Sidoh]

hm, I'd just do "grep sucks *".  Seems like a lot less hassle then loading up Ultra-Edit, which is the bulkiest text editor I've used (that's not a full IDE)...

Linux prevails once again!

[rabbit]

I'm gonna have to try this out ASAP...

[Newby]

I would have done "cat *.* | grep "sucks" myself but eh? :p

[iago]

I would have done "cat *.* | grep "sucks" myself but eh? :p

*.* assumes that the file has an extension, which isn't a good idea.  That's a Windows way of thinking. 

The second problem with that is it doesn't tell you which file it came from. 

for i in *.*; do echo "$i:"; cat $i | grep "sucks"; done

That's about the closest thing to yours that would be useful.  But it's obviously pretty nasty

[Joe]

Would that give line number, or even file name, though? [edit]See, what iago said.[/edit]

By the way iago, minus a compiler, UltraEdit is a full IDE, IMO. I develop PHP in it, so eh?

[Sidoh]

:O

sidoh@tehserver:~/CHRIS/cc$ time cat *.* | grep "sucks"
/* TODO: this implementation sucks.  Find a better way. */

real    0m0.006s
user    0m0.010s
sys     0m0.000s
sidoh@tehserver:~/CHRIS/cc$ time grep sucks *
table.c:/* TODO: this implementation sucks.  Find a better way. */

real    0m0.003s
user    0m0.000s
sys     0m0.000s

iago wins?  He just saved you 0.003s if you listened to him!

* Sidoh likes iago's way because cat *.* | grep "sucks" doesn't give you the filename. :]

Joe:  Why would you use UltraEdit for developing PHP when you could use Zend?  It seems to me UltraEdit is a very, very toned down version of Zend.  Zend may be pretty "heavy," but it's by far the most valuable tool I have for developing PHP (other than a server that supports it, of course).

[Joe]

Is it free? Link please?

[iago]

www.google.ca/search?q=zend -- first result (go figure?)

It isn't free, but you can get a free evaluation.  Same as UltraEdit. 

[Sidoh]

Is it free? Link please?

If you're into PHP at all, you've heard of Zend.  Zend is the premier PHP "enhancement" company.  They have a bunch of optimization engines (a few of them are included with PHP now, I believe) for PHP, along with development tools.  They also offer "professionalized" certifications for PHP, which involve the programmer taking a test to earn a certification which can be used to verify the developer's competency.  I don't have one, mostly because it costs money.

http://www.zend.com/

And no, it's not free.  $300.

[Warrior]

Zend Dev Studio is alright, I still stick to Notepad2. I hate bloated IDE's personally.

[Sidoh]

Zend Dev Studio is alright, I still stick to Notepad2. I hate bloated IDE's personally.

I've also found Notepad2 a great editing tool; it's so lightweight!

However, when I'm getting down to business, I don't think I could function very efficiently without Zend.  I don't know how much you've used it, but it has a parsing engine built into it.  It will highlight errornous code so you know to correct it before you upload.  That's just one of many reasons I use it.  There are also several features that it has which I haven't taken advantage of yet.  Zend is an amazing development tool, all-in-all.  I will agree, though.  It is very heavy (especially in relative terms -- IDE's for web languages generally don't have much), but MAN is it worth it!

[iago]

I program directly on my webserver, so I know about parse errors in about 2 seconds, no fussing with FTP or anything.  Plus, vim will tell you if you're missing a bracket or if you spelled a function name wrong, which is all I really need. 

I don't think I could function very efficiently without Zend.

*looks for his T&T++ program* apparently, you can't WITH it, either!

[rabbit]

Really.  Notepad2 and an Apache server....fuck Zend.

[Sidoh]

I program directly on my webserver, so I know about parse errors in about 2 seconds, no fussing with FTP or anything.  Plus, vim will tell you if you're missing a bracket or if you spelled a function name wrong, which is all I really need. 

I don't think I could function very efficiently without Zend.

*looks for his T&T++ program* apparently, you can't WITH it, either!

I program in-directly on my webserver, without the useage of a FTP server (I use Samba instead), which is fast enough to be humanly indifferent.

It doens't highlight the code for you, though. 

Trust me, my opinion isn't unjustified.  I've tried using Notepad2.  I use vi(m) when Zend isn't available, but when it is, I'm sure as hell going to use it.

Really.  Notepad2 and an Apache server....fuck Zend.

Ew, no.  Zend is too hot to fuck.  I've already said I like Notepad2; I don't know why you think I don't run an Apache server, because I do.  Just because I use Zend's development tools doesn't mean I also use their optimization tools.  ZendStudio is amazing.

[rabbit]

I'm saying in general.  Using N2 is good (because it rocks), and if you run your own Apache server, then you completely eliminate the need for Zend.  IE: What I do.  I don't like Zend Studio.  It tries to be too much.

[Sidoh]

I'm saying in general.  Using N2 is good (because it rocks), and if you run your own Apache server, then you completely eliminate the need for Zend.  IE: What I do.  I don't like Zend Studio.  It tries to be too much.

I do run my own Apache server:

http://www.sidoh.org

Here it is:



You don't have to use all of what it does.   

For me, Notepad2 isn't enough for heavy development.

[mynameistmp]

I program directly on my webserver, so I know about parse errors in about 2 seconds, no fussing with FTP or anything.  Plus, vim will tell you if you're missing a bracket or if you spelled a function name wrong, which is all I really need. 

Which reminds me (since we're all off topic here), check out how I interact with your server:

bash-3.00$ javaop uname -a
Linux darkside 2.4.29 #6 Thu Jan 20 16:30:37 PST 2005 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
bash-3.00$ javaop id
uid=1009(tmp) gid=100(users) groups=100(users)
bash-3.00$

Or, if I just want a shell:

bash-3.00$ javaop
Linux 2.4.29.
Drink Canada Dry!  You might not succeed, but it *is* fun trying.
tmp@darkside:~$

I don't use any aliasing.