Judge upholds use of illegal substance by religion

[iago]

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The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday that a small congregation in New Mexico may use hallucinogenic tea as part of a four-hour ritual intended to connect with God.

Justices, in their first religious freedom decision under Chief Justice John Roberts, moved decisively to keep the government out of a church’s religious practice. Federal drug agents should have been barred from confiscating the hoasca tea of the Brazil-based church, Roberts wrote in the decision.

The tea, which contains an illegal drug known as DMT, is considered sacred to members of O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal, which has a blend of Christian beliefs and South American traditions. Members believe they can understand God only by drinking the tea, which is consumed twice a month at four-hour ceremonies.

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Personally, my religion practices human sacrifice to contact God.  So everybody watch out!!

[deadly7]

ROFFFLEEE.  I wonder how popular that religion is going to become in the next few weeks.

[MyndFyre]

Personally, my religion practices human sacrifice to contact God.  So everybody watch out!!

*slight* difference between doing something that could affect only you and one that necessarily involves harming others.

[iago]

Personally, my religion practices human sacrifice to contact God.  So everybody watch out!!

*slight* difference between doing something that could affect only you and one that necessarily involves harming others.

Very slight indeed. 

After all, they're both illegal, and they're both accepted religious practices at certain places (in certain times). 

[GameSnake]

The Native American church uses peyote is simmiliar pratices, this doesn't really surprise me.

[Newby]

I wanna drink DMT.

[GameSnake]

The thing I like to do since it's perfectly legal is buy about 3 packets of Morning Glory seeds. I grind them up finely and boil them into a tea. It's very good tea, but the psycoactive effects are better: MG contains Lysergic Acid Amides which are simmiliar to Lysergic Acid Diathlymine (LSD). The effects are euphoria, and clearness of mind. I enjoy it much.

[CrAz3D]

The thing I like to do since it's perfectly legal is buy about 3 packets of Morning Glory seeds. I grind them up finely and boil them into a tea. It's very good tea, but the psycoactive effects are better: MG contains Lysergic Acid Amides which are simmiliar to Lysergic Acid Diathlymine (LSD). The effects are euphoria, and clearness of mind. I enjoy it much.

mmmmmmmmk

[Joe]

The thing I like to do since it's perfectly legal is buy about 3 packets of Morning Glory seeds. I grind them up finely and boil them into a tea. It's very good tea, but the psycoactive effects are better: MG contains Lysergic Acid Amides which are simmiliar to Lysergic Acid Diathlymine (LSD). The effects are euphoria, and clearness of mind. I enjoy it much.

Professions:
Herbalism: 305/300
Alchemy: 300/300

LOL.

[GameSnake]

Heh, thats my little niche around here, your post is kinda correct, I am an alchemist of sorts. My friends really enjoy my Morning Glory coffee/tea I can brew up. You should try it sometime, perfectly legal way to, umm.. connect with nature (trip).

[deadly7]

Heh, thats my little niche around here, your post is kinda correct, I am an alchemist of sorts. My friends really enjoy my Morning Glory coffee/tea I can brew up. You should try it sometime, perfectly legal way to, umm.. connect with nature (trip).

Which drugs do you lace it with?

[Warrior]

You're generally allowed flexibility when practicing religion (moreso than the law may allow in some cases) as long as it doesn't hurt anyone (Human Sacrafices)

[iago]

You're generally allowed flexibility when practicing religion (moreso than the law may allow in some cases) as long as it doesn't hurt anyone (Human Sacrafices)

Fair enough. 

My new religion believes that in order to be closer to god, we have to counterfeit money as close to the original as possible. It all stemmed from the "in god we trust" motto found inscribed on all US currency.

If money is the physical manifestation of the Spirit, then we should mass produce as much  of it as we can. This religion was also started as a favor to Jesus, who apparently spends most of his time answering prayers for more of the stuff.

[legal note: I didn't write that]

[Sidoh]

You're generally allowed flexibility when practicing religion (moreso than the law may allow in some cases) as long as it doesn't hurt anyone (Human Sacrafices)

Fair enough. 

My new religion believes that in order to be closer to god, we have to counterfeit money as close to the original as possible. It all stemmed from the "in god we trust" motto found inscribed on all US currency.

If money is the physical manifestation of the Spirit, then we should mass produce as much  of it as we can. This religion was also started as a favor to Jesus, who apparently spends most of his time answering prayers for more of the stuff.

[legal note: I didn't write that]

HAHAHAHAH.

[Warrior]

You're generally allowed flexibility when practicing religion (moreso than the law may allow in some cases) as long as it doesn't hurt anyone (Human Sacrafices)

Fair enough. 

My new religion believes that in order to be closer to god, we have to counterfeit money as close to the original as possible. It all stemmed from the "in god we trust" motto found inscribed on all US currency.

If money is the physical manifestation of the Spirit, then we should mass produce as much  of it as we can. This religion was also started as a favor to Jesus, who apparently spends most of his time answering prayers for more of the stuff.

[legal note: I didn't write that]

That would hurt people..you use the money and you're cheating the people you use it on out of money.

[Sidoh]

That would hurt people..you use the money and you're cheating the people you use it on out of money.

Hinduism has the trec to the Mecca.  There are several people that die each time that happens.   Hinduism is allowed.

[rabbit]

Sidoh, what are you smoking?

Islam has the pilgrimage to Mecca, not Hinduism.

[deadly7]

That would hurt people..you use the money and you're cheating the people you use it on out of money.

Hinduism has the trec to the Mecca.  There are several people that die each time that happens.   Hinduism is allowed.

Wrong religion. :\
Edit: Didn't see rabbit's post!

[Warrior]

Don't really know about any of that to respond, I'll look it up later.

[iago]

Fair enough. 

My new religion believes that in order to be closer to god, we have to counterfeit money as close to the original as possible. It all stemmed from the "in god we trust" motto found inscribed on all US currency.

If money is the physical manifestation of the Spirit, then we should mass produce as much  of it as we can. This religion was also started as a favor to Jesus, who apparently spends most of his time answering prayers for more of the stuff.

[legal note: I didn't write that]

That would hurt people..you use the money and you're cheating the people you use it on out of money.

Not if it's a good enough copy.

Sidoh, what are you smoking?

Islam has the pilgrimage to Mecca, not Hinduism.

Why do you have to say everything in such a hostile way?  Can't you just be nice when you correct somebody?

[Sidoh]

Sidoh, what are you smoking?

Islam has the pilgrimage to Mecca, not Hinduism.

It was 3 in the morning and I haven't had a history class in two years.

[Warrior]

Fair enough. 

My new religion believes that in order to be closer to god, we have to counterfeit money as close to the original as possible. It all stemmed from the "in god we trust" motto found inscribed on all US currency.

If money is the physical manifestation of the Spirit, then we should mass produce as much  of it as we can. This religion was also started as a favor to Jesus, who apparently spends most of his time answering prayers for more of the stuff.

[legal note: I didn't write that]

That would hurt people..you use the money and you're cheating the people you use it on out of money.

Not if it's a good enough copy.

Possibly I think our current bills however (especially the newer ones) are pretty hard to counterfeit but that's beside the argument so point taken.

[Sidoh]

Possibly I think our current bills however (especially the newer ones) are pretty hard to counterfeit but that's beside the argument so point taken.

Haha, I was going to say that this is a hypothetical situation.

[TeHFoOoL]

Using religion to back up anything is complete bullshit. To me, religion is just an established opinion that people follow in groups.

[Sidoh]

Using religion to back up anything is complete bullshit. To me, religion is just an established opinion that people follow in groups.

I'm religious.  Care to justify your statement?

[TeHFoOoL]

What's there to back up?

[iago]

Using religion to back up anything is complete bullshit. To me, religion is just an established opinion that people follow in groups.

I agree, in theory.  I don't like the currently established religions, for the most part they're just superstitious nonsense.  But I do think that a God-type figure is necessary. 

[TeHFoOoL]

Both this post and the creationism one are meshing. ;O

I'd never tell someone that there isn't a god, just that I don't believe in one.

[Sidoh]

I don't believe in one.

Why?

[TeHFoOoL]

Because I don't like to place my faith in something that is completely unknown to me. Sure, other people say " God is this, " and " God is that, " but have I witnessed him do anything for me? Anything for anyone?.. Nope.




100th post Yayyyyyyyyy

[Sidoh]

Because I don't like to place my faith in something that is completely unknown to me. Sure, other people say " God is this, " and " God is that, " but have I witnessed him do anything for me? Anything for anyone?.. Nope.

Did you witness the Big Bang?  I think the Big Bang is something equally mysterious to God.  It's beyond human comprehension.  Just because Science invented it doesn't mean it makes absolute sense.

[TeHFoOoL]

I agree, Sidoh. Whereas you put your faith in god, I put mine in science. :]

Scientology+++

[Sidoh]

I agree, Sidoh. Whereas you put your faith in god, I put mine in science. :]

Scientology+++

Scientology is fucking retarded.  It's not Science.  It's a religion that says God is an alien and they're going to overtake us any day now.  It's for idiot actors like John Travolta.

I put my faith in something that transcends the finite human mind.  Since the Universe has an infinite amount of knowledge to be had, I just can't imagine a mere probability creating all of that.  To me, a God-like entity makes massive amounts more sense than something like the Big Bang.

[AntiVirus]

Because I don't like to place my faith in something that is completely unknown to me. Sure, other people say " God is this, " and " God is that, " but have I witnessed him do anything for me? Anything for anyone?.. Nope.




100th post Yayyyyyyyyy

I suppose you should go to church more often, and hear what people have to say about how God has helped them.

Fair enough.

My new religion believes that in order to be closer to god, we have to counterfeit money as close to the original as possible. It all stemmed from the "in god we trust" motto found inscribed on all US currency.

If money is the physical manifestation of the Spirit

, then we should mass produce as much  of it as we can. This religion was also started as a favor to Jesus, who apparently spends most of his time answering prayers for more of the stuff.

[legal note: I didn't write that]

Lol, good thing money isn't.

I agree, Sidoh. Whereas you put your faith in god, I put mine in science. :]

Scientology+++

Scientology is fucking retarded.  It's not Science.  It's a religion that says God is an alien and they're going to overtake us any day now.  It's for idiot actors like John Travolta.

I put my faith in something that transcends the finite human mind.  Since the Universe has an infinite amount of knowledge to be had, I just can't imagine a mere probability creating all of that.  To me, a God-like entity makes massive amounts more sense than something like the Big Bang.

That sounds like inteligent design to me.

[TeHFoOoL]

Why the fuck would I go to church after all that's been said?

[Sidoh]

That sounds like inteligent design to me.

I'm debating the existance of God, not how the Universe was created.

[GameSnake]

Edit: theres a creation vs evolution thread already, you're all going off topic.
http://www.x86labs.org:81/forum/index.php/topic,4947.0.html

[iago]

But, there is a conflict if you believe in creationism: how was the creator created.

I'm just going to give what I believe about this line.  It's a good point. 

Time is something that happens to physical matter.  Being created and destroyed is a phyical property which results from time. 

A creator, if it exists, would not be physical.  It would be etheral, for a lack of a better word.  You can't attribute human or physical characteristics to it, because it's not a being such as we know.  It's not even that it wasn't created, it's that it can't be created.  Like I said, creation is a property of the physical world which this creator isn't part of. 

I realize that this isn't something that is easy to accept, and it is definitely something that is impossible to imagine.  But in my mind, nonphysicalness would have to be something that a creator would have to have.  And we're so used to a physical universe that we can't really imagine anything that isn't physical. 

[GameSnake]

Again your responding to a post that was edited iago.
I'd like to think of it (since no one knows right?) as "a creator can be created before you were created by the creator". Say that 3 times fast.

[iago]

Again your responding to a post that was edited iago.

Well, don't edit your posts?  My post still applies anyways. 

I'd like to think of it (since no one knows right?) as "a creator can be created before you were created by the creator". Say that 3 times fast.

I don't think that the idea of being created or destroyed applies to a nonphysical entity that doesn't exist in our physical universe.  The idea of being created or destroyed is a physical idea and requires concepts like "time", which we can't apply to a nonphysical being. 

Read my previous post, I explained it much better.   

[Sidoh]

Again your responding to a post that was edited iago.
I'd like to think of it (since no one knows right?) as "a creator can be created before you were created by the creator". Say that 3 times fast.

And I'm saying no.  It's like saying you can conjure matter out of thin air.  It's understandable, but virtually impossible.  It doesn't make any sense.

[iago]

I locked this thread due to convergence with another thread.  This is a fine discussion, but if you'd like to continue it go to the "creationism" thread. 

[GameSnake]

Again your responding to a post that was edited iago.

Well, don't edit your posts?  My post still applies anyways. 

I'd like to think of it (since no one knows right?) as "a creator can be created before you were created by the creator". Say that 3 times fast.

I don't think that the idea of being created or destroyed applies to a nonphysical entity that doesn't exist in our physical universe.  The idea of being created or destroyed is a physical idea and requires concepts like "time", which we can't apply to a nonphysical being. 

Read my previous post, I explained it much better.   

Again your responding to a post that was edited iago.
I'd like to think of it (since no one knows right?) as "a creator can be created before you were created by the creator". Say that 3 times fast.

And I'm saying no.  It's like saying you can conjure matter out of thin air.  It's understandable, but virtually impossible.  It doesn't make any sense.

To both of you: I am not saying I disagree with you. I just like to simplify complex matters in my mind to think of it in a easier manner.
To Sidoh: there isn't a right or wrong answer here, I don't know really how to reply, sorry.
The StarCraft theory states "The Xel'Naga are an ancient race who reached the pinnicle of evolution, which is to create and take care of other species". I just found that interesting. You never know that could be how we we're created! You don't know, I don't know, the Pope thinks he knows, Scientology thinks they know, so who knows?!

[iago]

Again your responding to a post that was edited iago.

Well, don't edit your posts?  My post still applies anyways. 

I'd like to think of it (since no one knows right?) as "a creator can be created before you were created by the creator". Say that 3 times fast.

I don't think that the idea of being created or destroyed applies to a nonphysical entity that doesn't exist in our physical universe.  The idea of being created or destroyed is a physical idea and requires concepts like "time", which we can't apply to a nonphysical being. 

Read my previous post, I explained it much better.   

Again your responding to a post that was edited iago.
I'd like to think of it (since no one knows right?) as "a creator can be created before you were created by the creator". Say that 3 times fast.

And I'm saying no.  It's like saying you can conjure matter out of thin air.  It's understandable, but virtually impossible.  It doesn't make any sense.

To both of you: I am not saying I disagree with you. I just like to simplify complex matters in my mind to think of it in a easier manner.
To Sidoh: there isn't a right or wrong answer here, I don't know really how to reply, sorry.
The StarCraft theory states "The Xel'Naga are an ancient race who reached the pinnicle of evolution, which is to create and take care of other species". I just found that interesting. You never know that could be how we we're created! You don't know, I don't know, the Pope thinks he knows, Scientology thinks they know, so who knows?!

They wouldn't have created the Universe, just our species.  Not the same thing. 

Anyway, let this thread die, talk in the other one.