Interesting Ben Franklin quote..

[Joe]

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
    -- Ben Franklin

If I remember correctly, he was one of the four founders of the United States (he was.. right?). If I'm not being stupid and forgetting something every US cititzen should know, then I find it kind of interesting that we're doing just exactly what one of our founders said not to do.

What's your take on this?

[Newby]

Do what the other liberals do: blame Bush.

Though that is an interesting quote.

[GameSnake]

Do what the other liberals do: blame Bush.

Though that is an interesting quote.

So you're calling republican leaders across the world "liberal", because they blame Bush for things he has actually done?!  You're an american politic sheep, republicans can be for liberty too: That is a damn good quote if you ask me, and very true. I mean WOW, if you think only "liberals" are against Bush, you're a dumbasS: everyone has the right to be against Bush.

[Newby]

*sigh*

This is why smoking marijuana is bad for you.

[GameSnake]

*sigh*

This is why smoking marijuana is bad for you.

Can't handle my argument with a good response? pfft. You didn't even try. So, I win.

[Sidoh]

I've heard that before.  It'd probably be more impacted with it if I was at all interested in politics.  It's a damn good quote, but it has little immediate impact on my interests.

I blame it on government's failure to observe the full scope of consequences their actions arise.

So you're calling republican leaders across the world "liberal", because they blame Bush for things he has actually done?!  You're an american politic sheep, republicans can be for liberty too: That is a damn good quote if you ask me, and very true. I mean WOW, if you think only "liberals" are against Bush, you're a dumbasS: everyone has the right to be against Bush.

. . .

*sigh*

This is why smoking marijuana is bad for you.

* Sidoh agrees with Newby.

Can't handle it with a good response? pfft. You didn't even try. I win.

That post isn't worth a "good response."

[GameSnake]

I've heard that before.  It'd probably be more impacted with it if I was at all interested in politics.  It's a damn good quote, but it has little immediate impact on my interests.

I blame it on government's failure to observe the full scope of consequences their actions arise.

So you're calling republican leaders across the world "liberal", because they blame Bush for things he has actually done?!  You're an american politic sheep, republicans can be for liberty too: That is a damn good quote if you ask me, and very true. I mean WOW, if you think only "liberals" are against Bush, you're a dumbasS: everyone has the right to be against Bush.

. . .

*sigh*

This is why smoking marijuana is bad for you.

* Sidoh agrees with Newby.

Can't handle it with a good response? pfft. You didn't even try. I win.

That post isn't worth a "good response."

My post was worth a response, just not the one you and Newby are giving.
Newby through the word "liberal" out there, trying to say something highly inaccurate, so I pointed out that everyone deserves liberty and has the right to critisize Bush. THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!

[Sidoh]

My post was worth a response, just not the one you and Newby are giving.
Newby through the word "liberal" out there, trying to say something highly inaccurate, so I pointed out that everyone deserves liberty and has the right to critisize Bush. THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!

*sigh*

This is why smoking marijuana is bad for you.

[Newby]

When you can comprehend what my original statement truly meant I think your arguments will disappear.

[GameSnake]

When you can comprehend what my original statement truly meant I think your arguments will disappear.

I can understand it: you're trying say only liberals complain about our president, right? That can be the only thing you meant, unless you're being "sarcastic".

[CrAz3D]

Do what the other liberals do: blame Bush.

Though that is an interesting quote.

So you're calling republican leaders across the world "liberal", because they blame Bush for things he has actually done?!  You're an american politic sheep, republicans can be for liberty too: That is a damn good quote if you ask me, and very true. I mean WOW, if you think only "liberals" are against Bush, you're a dumbasS: everyone has the right to be against Bush.

1) Republican is a thing in the US of A, not the world really.
2) Republicans, traditionally, are for liberty while Democrats are for bigger government.


I like this quote.  Another interesting quote is one that says something about spilling blood is the only way to clean liberty...or something

[Newby]

When you can comprehend what my original statement truly meant I think your arguments will disappear.

I can understand it: you're trying say only liberals complain about our president, right? That can be the only thing you meant, unless you're being "sarcastic".

No.

* Newby sighs again.

I was pretty sarcastic in my statement.

[Sidoh]

I can understand it: you're trying say only liberals complain about our president, right? That can be the only thing you meant, unless you're being "sarcastic".

http://youlose.ytmnd.com

[GameSnake]

Do what the other liberals do: blame Bush.

Though that is an interesting quote.

So you're calling republican leaders across the world "liberal", because they blame Bush for things he has actually done?!  You're an american politic sheep, republicans can be for liberty too: That is a damn good quote if you ask me, and very true. I mean WOW, if you think only "liberals" are against Bush, you're a dumbasS: everyone has the right to be against Bush.

1) Republican is a thing in the US of A, not the world really.
2) Republicans, traditionally, are for liberty while Democrats are for bigger government.


I like this quote.  Another interesting quote is one that says something about spilling blood is the only way to clean liberty...or something

MY ASS. It heavily depends on the politician himself. Bush is a republican. Bush also signed the US Patriot Act, which is one of the most anti-liberty bills ever passed.



If USA was so "liberating" under republicans like you're trying to say, tell me why the drinking age is 21, the highest in the world, above communist Korea's drinking age? Why do we have the only democracy where executions are allowed? We're being fucked by our goverment on many issues, thats why.

[CrAz3D]

-->*TRADITIONALLY*<--

There is a big neo-conservative movement thing post-9/11, EVERYONE & their dog (in politics) is big government

[GameSnake]

I have the right to free speach still, don't I? Don't you? If your speaking out than you're excersizing our rights which are so very precious. I am totally for that.

[Ergot]

Since they won't help you understand...

Do what the other liberals do: blame Bush.

Though that is an interesting quote.

When you can comprehend what my original statement truly meant I think your arguments will disappear.

I can understand it: you're trying say only liberals complain about our president, right? That can be the only thing you meant, unless you're being "sarcastic".

Where did that only come from?

[CrAz3D]

I have the right to free speach still, don't I? Don't you? If your speaking out than you're excersizing our rights which are so very precious. I am totally for that.

what?...
I'm so lost now.

[GameSnake]

Ergot,  From: "you can be like a liberal", suggesting that you're like a liberal if you complain about our president:  news flash: everyone complains about the president.

[Newby]

news flash: everyone complains about the president.

News flash: wrong. You're a fucking moron.

[Sidoh]

Ugh.  Holy shit.

[CrAz3D]

newsflash: Britney Spears is pregnant again!


I mean...alot of people do complaine, but not everyone

[Sidoh]

Britney Spears is pregnant again!

Yeah, I was pretty sorry about that.  I didn't mean for it to happen.

[GameSnake]

news flash: everyone complains about the president.

News flash: wrong. You're a fucking moron.

Not everyone, literally, but you can see how "sarcastic" remarks make people look stupid (remember your sarcastic remark that got this whole thing rolling?). If I remember correctly Bush's approval rating is very low at the moment --

-- everyone complains about the president, from liberals crying about Bush, to conservitives going ape shit when Bill Clinton, a "poor boy from Arkansa" got elected.

[Sidoh]

-- everyone complains about the president

I somehow doubt that she complains about the president.

[Newby]

Not everyone, literally, but you can see how "sarcastic" remarks make people look stupid (remember your sarcastic remark that got this whole thing rolling?).

I fail to see how your statement was sarcastic.

[Ergot]

news flash: everyone complains about the president.

News flash: wrong. You're a fucking moron.

Not everyone, literally, but you can see how "sarcastic" remarks make people look stupid (remember your sarcastic remark that got this whole thing rolling?). If I remember correctly Bush's approval rating is very low at the moment --

-- everyone complains about the president, from liberals crying about Bush, to conservitives going ape shit when Bill Clinton, a "poor boy from Arkansa" got elected.

So you're getting all pissy fit because Newby excluded the conservatives? (indirectly? because he didn't say that they didn't complain, he just didn't say they did)

Ergot,  From: "you can be like a liberal", suggesting that you're like a liberal if you complain about our president:  news flash: everyone complains about the president.

Yea? You share the similarity of complaining about Bush... I don't get it?
I guess it's in the way you interpret it with your aggressive attitiute :\.

[MyndFyre]

everyone has the right to be against Bush.

Yeah, everyone has the right to bem except people in places like, oh, say Iran, where it's not a right, but probably a requirement.  And North Korea.  You know, those places where rights as we know them don't exist.

[Joe]

It's a damn good quote, but it has little immediate impact on my interests.

If I didn't already believe that America is heading right for the shitter, I would now. But then again, who in the government really cares what a 15 year old thinks? I'm not even entitled to a vote, let alone them to actually listen to me. =p

[MyndFyre]

It's a damn good quote, but it has little immediate impact on my interests.

If I didn't already believe that America is heading right for the shitter, I would now. But then again, who in the government really cares what a 15 year old thinks? I'm not even entitled to a vote, let alone them to actually listen to me. =p

It's because your opinions generally suck.

[iago]

I've heard that quote before and I love it.  It's unfortunate that Americans are willing to give up their freedoms for what they perceive to be safety (to "get" terrorists, for example). 

2) Republicans, traditionally, are for liberty while Democrats are for bigger government.

Are you trying to imply that Democrats are against liberty?

[MyndFyre]

I've heard that quote before and I love it.  It's unfortunate that Americans are willing to give up their freedoms for what they perceive to be safety (to "get" terrorists, for example). 

2) Republicans, traditionally, are for liberty while Democrats are for bigger government.

Are you trying to imply that Democrats are against liberty?

Generally, bigger government == less liberty.  That's what we're seeing as the government grows with DHS.  Republicans now are not being against bigger government, which is pissing off a lot of the voting base.

[rabbit]

First of all, USA PATRIOT Act is an acronym: USA PATRIOT Act (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001)

Second, fore fathers*

Third, Newby, I can say the same about you as you say about GS.  Drinking has fucked with your brain.  I will respect nothing you say in this thread until you apologize to GS.

Fourth, GS, no more pot.

Fifth, Newby, no more liquor.

Sixth, Ben Franklin was republican.

Seventh, there's nothing wrong with having an opinion about the president.  If you don't respect people's rights to have an opinion in this country, then you don't deserve to have your own.

[CrAz3D]

There weren't any Republicans back then...the democrat party is older than the republican party.

Also, I think the democrat party used to stand for what the republicans stood for pre neo-conservatist era

[iago]

Generally, bigger government == less liberty.  That's what we're seeing as the government grows with DHS.  Republicans now are not being against bigger government, which is pissing off a lot of the voting base.

Canada is much more left-wing than the US, and we arguably have equal (or, I'd argue, more, but not here) liberty to the US. 

[rabbit]

There weren't any Republicans back then...the democrat party is older than the republican party.

Also, I think the democrat party used to stand for what the republicans stood for pre neo-conservatist era

Democrats and Republicans flopped.  The Democrats used to be the conervatives, and Franklin was conservative.  I used today's standards to try and avoid confusion.

[CrAz3D]

Didnt they start to turn around or before Franklin though?  Cause he had MEGA huge government.

[Newby]

Third, Newby, I can say the same about you as you say about GS.  Drinking has fucked with your brain.  I will respect nothing you say in this thread until you apologize to GS.

Fifth, Newby, no more liquor.

I am not about to apologize to him when he took my joke, completely mis-interpreted it, and harassed me for it. If he can't figure out a joke, I'm not apologizing.

And FYI, I have not drank a single drop of alcohol since December, and I didn't drink enough to actually fuck myself up. If anything, it motivated me to try harder in school, since I can manage straight B+'s with the same workload I did last year, where last year I had straight B-'s.

[Armin]

Do what the other liberals do: blame Bush.

I'm not a liberal, but this is one thing I can blame Bush for. What about all of those Patriot Acts? IIRC, Bush had some huge part in this, yet did nothing. This sort of thing goes directly against our constitution.

[MyndFyre]

There weren't any Republicans back then...the democrat party is older than the republican party.

Also, I think the democrat party used to stand for what the republicans stood for pre neo-conservatist era

Democrats and Republicans flopped.  The Democrats used to be the conervatives, and Franklin was conservative.  I used today's standards to try and avoid confusion.

That's because the Democrats were the ones advocating Lockean-ism back in the day, which is what modern-day republicans used to do.

Now everyone is communist, apparently.

[CrAz3D]

Do what the other liberals do: blame Bush.

I'm not a liberal, but this is one thing I can blame Bush for. What about all of those Patriot Acts? IIRC, Bush had some huge part in this, yet did nothing. This sort of thing goes directly against our constitution.

Didnt the Patriot Act pass overwhelmingly in Congress?...meaning like its everyone's fault?

[rabbit]

Nobody read it, and they were like "USA PATRIOT Act?  Sounds good.  Sure, I'll vote for it!"

[iago]

Nobody read it, and they were like "USA PATRIOT Act?  Sounds good.  Sure, I'll vote for it!"

Well, the main thing is that everybody was panicking about 9/11 when it was signed. 

[igimo1]

Nobody read it, and they were like "USA PATRIOT Act?  Sounds good.  Sure, I'll vote for it!"

Then reelect better congressmen.

[CrAz3D]

REelect better congressmen?...Elect better congressmen maybe?