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Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« on: May 24, 2006, 02:11:20 pm »
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060524/NEWS/605240305

Wow, I wanted to do something like that when I graduated, or maybe just say "You don't want to here this sappy crap, lets get this oever with"
...I like this guy's version more.  Said how highschool really was...it wasn't a great 4 year of jack, it was 4 years of jackshit


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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2006, 02:31:29 pm »
Seems disrespectfull to do that to the school who gave you your stepping stone in life, but hey if you went thru 4 years of high school than you deserve to speak your mind about your experiances.

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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2006, 02:32:57 pm »
Seems disrespectfull to do that to the school who gave you your stepping stone in life
Oh so wait, it's disrespectful to do that to the school, but it's not disrespectful to say what you say about the President?

I'm just checking.
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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2006, 02:35:53 pm »
Seems disrespectfull to do that to the school who gave you your stepping stone in life
Oh so wait, it's disrespectful to do that to the school, but it's not disrespectful to say what you say about the President?

I'm just checking.
Gotta love that whole "Freedom of Speech" thing.
edit: Wondering what the president has to do with this ???

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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2006, 02:36:48 pm »
Gotta love that whole "Freedom of Speech" thing.

Oh, so I see, it's disrespectful to tell the hard truth about something, but it's a "freedom of speech" issue when you slander the President.

Right?  I'm just making sure I understand.
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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2006, 02:39:20 pm »
Gotta love that whole "Freedom of Speech" thing.

Oh, so I see, it's disrespectful to tell the hard truth about something, but it's a "freedom of speech" issue when you slander the President.

Right?  I'm just making sure I understand.
What does the president have to do with this?  Just so you understand: the student's rights at the graduation and my rights (freedom of speech) as a voter are slightly different.
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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2006, 02:47:10 pm »
What does the president have to do with this?  Just so you understand: the student's rights at the graduation and my rights (freedom of speech) as a voter are slightly different.
Well, I've seen potentially contradictory (to what you've said) behavior from you, and so I'm just trying to understand, you know, where you're coming from in terms of what's ethical.

I've seen you speak negatively about the President, so I was using him as an example.

By the way, freedom of speech rights are yours whether or not you vote.
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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2006, 04:08:04 pm »
Seems disrespectfull to do that to the school who gave you your stepping stone in life, but hey if you went thru 4 years of high school than you deserve to speak your mind about your experiances.

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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2006, 06:06:40 pm »
Seems disrespectfull to do that to the school who gave you your stepping stone in life, but hey if you went thru 4 years of high school than you deserve to speak your mind about your experiances.

Well we can tell you missed that stone...
ba doomp, tshhh

Yeah, it wasnt cool for the dude to lie to that teacher...but he had to do it to make sure that what he realy felt was heard.

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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2006, 06:11:04 pm »
Yeah, it wasnt cool for the dude to lie to that teacher...but he had to do it to make sure that what he realy felt was heard.
If anyone at my school tried changing his/her speech, the school would shut the microphones off. 
errr... something like that...

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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2006, 06:44:38 pm »
Yeah, it wasnt cool for the dude to lie to that teacher...but he had to do it to make sure that what he realy felt was heard.
If anyone at my school tried changing his/her speech, the school would shut the microphones off. 
Thats what I was thinkin too, but maybe they were just like "who gives a crap, its true, let the dude speak his mind so we can get the hell outta this damn place:

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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2006, 06:47:51 pm »
Thats what I was thinkin too, but maybe they were just like "who gives a crap, its true, let the dude speak his mind so we can get the hell outta this damn place:

The school he attends is run almost purely by mormons.  Mormons don't have logic; they have morals.

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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2006, 06:54:55 pm »
What does the president have to do with this?  Just so you understand: the student's rights at the graduation and my rights (freedom of speech) as a voter are slightly different.
Well, I've seen potentially contradictory (to what you've said) behavior from you, and so I'm just trying to understand, you know, where you're coming from in terms of what's ethical.

I've seen you speak negatively about the President, so I was using him as an example.

By the way, freedom of speech rights are yours whether or not you vote.
School is a personal choice.  I don't have to finish highschool, and if I have a problem with my highschool then I can make a personal choice to change it.  Additionally, there's only a few hundred people in a school, so it's a lot more personal.  If I said bad things about my University, it's a drop in the bucket, but if I say bad things about my school it's more meaningful. 

On the other hand, if I live in a country with an evil president (I'm not saying that Bush is evil, I'm using this as an example) and I don't like it, I haven't got a lot of choice.  I can vote for somebody else, and I might be able to leave the country, but the options are extremely limited. 

Thus, I think that speaking out against the president (not necessarily slander, as you said) is different than speaking out against the school. 

I do think that both forms fall under freedom of speech, and thus I do condone both.  However, I agree that speaking out against your school is disrespectful towards it, and it's not appropriate.  Speaking out against your president is also disrespectful towards him, but if he is evil or bad then he deserves it.

Oh, so I see, it's disrespectful to tell the hard truth about something, but it's a "freedom of speech" issue when you slander the President.
Are you using the word "slander" because it's emotionally loaded, or because it's the appropriate word?  I doubt that GameSnake orally said to you any false claims about the president in order to damage his (the president's) reputation, so I'm guessing you used it because it's emotionally loaded.  In general, words like "slander" should be avoided unless that's really the situation.  The main point of "slander" is that it's oral, if you want to talk about written falsehoods designed to damage somebody's reputation then you're looking for the word "libel".  Of course, "libel" isn't as emotionally loaded, so...
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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2006, 07:15:27 pm »
The school he attends is run almost purely by mormons.  Mormons don't have logic; they have morals.

This is so true.  They also have an overwhelming sense of pity for incompetent people.  Seriously, a person would have to work his ass off in my school to fail because the school system has gradually been compromising more and more with parents with the not-so-bright children. 

I don't understand why everyone is entitled to graduate.  If a person does not do what is required, why is he graduating?  Too many teachers have added 'participation points' for it to be possible to fail.  As long as a person shows up and holds the desk to the ground, he'll pass that class.

The worst part is that nothing will change until the religions in my town step away from the school system and realize they aren't doing the students any favors.  I am confident this will happen right after the Jewish convert.
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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2006, 08:04:09 pm »
Are you using the word "slander" because it's emotionally loaded, or because it's the appropriate word?
Slander is lying about someone by word of mouth.  Gamesnake has done so.  It's the appropriate word.
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Re: Dude gives a REAL graduation speech
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2006, 08:12:11 pm »
More specifically, it's lying about someone in a negative sense, IE ruining their good name or destorying their reputation.

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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2006, 08:17:26 pm »
However, I agree that speaking out against your school is disrespectful towards it, and it's not appropriate.  Speaking out against your president is also disrespectful towards him, but if he is evil or bad then he deserves it.
I call BS.  If the school is bad then the school deserves the criticsm too


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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2006, 08:08:56 am »
More specifically, it's lying about someone in a negative sense, IE ruining their good name or destorying their reputation.
No, it's lying about somebody orally in an attempt to damage their reputation.  That's the key distinction of slander from libel (which is lying about somebody in print). 

In any case, I doubt he lied about the president in an attempt to destroy his reputation. 

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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2006, 08:58:15 am »
W. is a transvestite. :|
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2006, 10:40:10 am »
W. is a transvestite. :|
....& there we have libel.
Libel is written defamation, slander is spoken.....they mean the same excepet libel is probably worse because there is proof.

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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2006, 11:55:55 am »
No, it's lying about somebody orally in an attempt to damage their reputation.  That's the key distinction of slander from libel (which is lying about somebody in print). 

In any case, I doubt he lied about the president in an attempt to destroy his reputation. 

I know.  I was adding on to the definition that already existed. :P

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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2006, 01:31:42 pm »
No, it's lying about somebody orally in an attempt to damage their reputation.  That's the key distinction of slander from libel (which is lying about somebody in print). 

In any case, I doubt he lied about the president in an attempt to destroy his reputation. 

I know.  I was adding on to the definition that already existed. :P

I thought you were correcting me, because I said basically the same thing, "I doubt that GameSnake orally said to you any false claims about the president in order to damage his (the president's) reputation [...]"

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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2006, 03:07:53 pm »
To go further off topic: The media ruined the the president's reputation, not me.
Again I am wondering what the president's reputation has to do with anything about this news article?
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2006, 07:21:45 pm »
To go further off topic: The media ruined the the president's reputation, not me.
Again I am wondering what the president's reputation has to do with anything about this news article?
Just because the Media says something doesn't mean you should run around repeating it. 

MyndFyre already explained the relationship.  Go read his posts again. . 

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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2006, 07:26:24 pm »
Anyways, why didn't this guy try to tell the school administration about the rules being broken before lying about his speech?  Seriously, he could have told the principal about the drugs and cheating.  In my opinion, he did this to get his five minutes of fame.
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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2006, 10:22:46 pm »
as people would say.... " if your not cheating your not trying"

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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2006, 11:03:08 pm »
I don't get it.
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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2006, 11:05:56 pm »
Perhaps it reflects the commonly held belief that the only way to pass with fly colors is to cheat.  Therefore, if you're not cheating, you're not doing your best.
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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2006, 11:56:37 pm »
To go further off topic: The media ruined the the president's reputation, not me.
Again I am wondering what the president's reputation has to do with anything about this news article?
Just because the Media says something doesn't mean you should run around repeating it. 

MyndFyre already explained the relationship.  Go read his posts again. . 
Ok for one thing, blaming the president's bad reputation on me is very wrong, the media is the biggest contributor to "slandering" his reputation, not me.  Another thing is that this topic is not even about the president, who cares about the fucking president?! Why is everything a political debate?!
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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2006, 12:44:53 am »
To go further off topic: The media ruined the the president's reputation, not me.
Again I am wondering what the president's reputation has to do with anything about this news article?
Just because the Media says something doesn't mean you should run around repeating it. 

MyndFyre already explained the relationship.  Go read his posts again. . 
Ok for one thing, blaming the president's bad reputation on me is very wrong, the media is the biggest contributor to "slandering" his reputation, not me.  Another thing is that this topic is not even about the president, who cares about the fucking president?! Why is everything a political debate?!

GameSnake, I have not used the word "reputation."  I don't know where you're coming up with that.

Please read what I have said about why what you have said about the President is relevant to this conversation.
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« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2006, 01:06:54 am »
Oh forget it MyndFyre, I give up on off topic crap.

Good for that kid, he might make a good lawyer/bussiness man with his outspokeness.

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« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2006, 08:03:37 am »
GameSnake, I have not used the word "reputation."  I don't know where you're coming up with that.

Please read what I have said about why what you have said about the President is relevant to this conversation.
Well, you used the word "slander" which, by definition, means lying (orally) in order to damage somebody's reputation. 

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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2006, 05:02:46 pm »
That kid has balls. Bigger balls than I have. (Not by much mind you but they are bigger)
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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2006, 06:10:52 pm »
That kid has balls. Bigger balls than I have. (Not by much mind you but they are bigger)

So we're dealing with about the size of a pencil tip, then?
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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2006, 06:25:42 pm »
If the pencil tip belongs to a pencil the size of a pillar then yes.
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