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Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« on: June 06, 2006, 07:09:29 pm »
Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
"A federal judge ruled Thursday that it is unconstitutional to require a student to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Judge Kenneth Ryskamp also ruled that a student does not have to get a parent's permission to be excused from reciting the pledge." ... "[A 17-year-old junior] was told by [a teacher] that he was so ungrateful and so un-American after he twice refused to stand for the pledge in [class]."
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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2006, 07:10:55 pm »
I am going to sit down just to exercise my rights and see if they are valid yet.
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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2006, 07:22:19 pm »
It hasn't been constitutional for years.  I'm pretty sure it's following a precedent from one of the Jehovah Witness cases.
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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2006, 07:30:49 pm »
Now if they would only take "in god we trust" off the US currency...

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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2006, 08:26:11 pm »
Shit like this is just stupid.  The teacher was dumb for making a big deal about it; it just gives the people who won't recite it the attention they desire.

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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2006, 08:31:27 pm »
People should absolutely have the right to either sit down or stand up for it, in general.  You can't promote freedom in one breath then force everybody to do what you tell them to in another. 

Of course, it's sad when people intentionally dishonour their country to prove a point. 

I have to agree with Sidoh, there's no way this should get any media coverage. 

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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2006, 09:36:33 pm »
Now if they would only take "in god we trust" off the US currency...
If I remember right, it's still constitutional because it's tradition.
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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2006, 11:24:34 pm »
People should absolutely have the right to either sit down or stand up for it, in general.  You can't promote freedom in one breath then force everybody to do what you tell them to in another. 

Of course, it's sad when people intentionally dishonour their country to prove a point. 

I have to agree with Sidoh, there's no way this should get any media coverage. 

I whole heartedly agree. My high school has never forced people to stand(in the time that I've been here) and in general there tends to be a number of people who will sit. Of course of the people sitting 1 or 2 are sitting out of "protest" or for any semi-legit reason while the rest are just too fucking lazy to stand the fuck up.
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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2006, 11:32:45 pm »
The way my school works, we have homeroom once every other week (about) and the classes are shortened a few minutes to make room for it, and the pledge is said in homeroom on those days. Other days, it's said in first hour.

Both my homeroom teacher and first hour teacher have no problem with me sitting down. One time, though, a substitute told me to stand and I said "No". He just left it at that.

I haven't stood for the pledge in a very long time. Not really as a protest against America, but as zorm said, I've usually started doing something or another while not paying attention to the preceeding anouncements and I'm too lazy to stand up. Also, pledging alegiance to the flag is a form of idol worship, I guess, but nobody cares if I stand up or not in the first place.
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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2006, 11:58:47 pm »
The way my school works, we have homeroom once every other week (about) and the classes are shortened a few minutes to make room for it, and the pledge is said in homeroom on those days. Other days, it's said in first hour.

Both my homeroom teacher and first hour teacher have no problem with me sitting down. One time, though, a substitute told me to stand and I said "No". He just left it at that.

I haven't stood for the pledge in a very long time. Not really as a protest against America, but as zorm said, I've usually started doing something or another while not paying attention to the preceeding anouncements and I'm too lazy to stand up. Also, pledging alegiance to the flag is a form of idol worship, I guess, but nobody cares if I stand up or not in the first place.

I like how you dont stand for a pledge, but you wear the flag on your clothes.

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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2006, 12:44:51 am »
I dont think you should HAVE to stand, but I should be able to pummle you verbally

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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2006, 02:15:57 am »
I dont think you should HAVE to stand, but I should be able to pummle you verbally

Of course.  Freedom of speech exists.  That doesn't mean that it's moraly correct or justified to do so, though.

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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2006, 02:43:44 am »
Super_X, I'm a fifteen year old supernerd. Do you seriously think I do my own clothes shopping? =p
I'd personally do as Joe suggests

You might be right about that, Joe.


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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2006, 08:11:02 am »
HAH.  Supernerd my ass.  You're a churchboy.

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Re: Unconstitutional To Make Students Stand For Pledge
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2006, 04:30:37 pm »
HAH.  Supernerd my ass.  You're a churchboy.

Lmao. Anyway, this whole thing is a joke. If a kid doesn't want to stand, it's not a big deal. The pledge is recited every single day in my school, sure teachers get mad if we don't stand, but whatever.
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