M$ takes aim at iTunes Music Store / iPod

[Newby]

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/16/1951202&from=rss

Didn't they try to compete with the music store already with the new store in WMP10, but failed miserably?

[Warrior]

How can something (WMP10) that hardly is out fail miserbly? Not to mention MS doesn't own that music store. MTV does. I doubt MTV is going to fail at anything related to music anytime soon.

Just realized, WMP11 is the newest. But they do package a new store, URGE by MTV. Ahh confusion :X

[Warrior]

Here lets take an example.

Microsoft enters so many markets but it's rare that they don't dominate in them. A prime example would be their console domination. Microsoft has devestated the console market for being so new to it. It is not competing with Nintendo (old timer) and Sony who previously dominated the market.

If Microsoft (this was stated on SD and I agree with) can support both their new players and existing iPods then I believe we have a ballgame.

[dark_drake]

I doubt MTV is going to fail at anything related to music anytime soon.

Besides playing it on their station, that is....

[Warrior]

I doubt MTV is going to fail at anything related to music anytime soon.

Besides playing it on their station, that is....

LOL true

[rabbit]

I doubt MTV is going to fail at anything related to music anytime soon.

Besides playing it on their station, that is....

18 stations*

[CrAz3D]

If Microsoft (this was stated on SD and I agree with) can support both their new players and existing iPods then I believe we have a ballgame.

werd, that will make for a goodgame.  however, alot of people are in this just for the name, thats why they buy apple, thats why its iTunes.  they want to be trendy, iPod is the sleek trendy thing to do, not iRiver or samsung or anyone, iPod...thats where the peer presure style trend is

[Hitmen]

Here lets take an example.

Microsoft enters so many markets but it's rare that they don't dominate in them. A prime example would be their console domination. Microsoft has devestated the console market for being so new to it. It is not competing with Nintendo (old timer) and Sony who previously dominated the market.

If Microsoft (this was stated on SD and I agree with) can support both their new players and existing iPods then I believe we have a ballgame.

:|

I don't think the console market is a good example. They may have become a major player, but most certainly aren't dominating. Worldwide marketshare for xbox is about 15% compared to 70% for the ps2 and 14% for gamecube. The division has also only turned a profit one quarter since the launch of the xbox, and lost something like $4 billion since launch. That is not what I would call market domination.

[d&q]

I thought J Allard was the man behind the Xbox?

[Warrior]

Let's wait until the PS3 comes out and the 360 comes out. I think Microsoft is well established and Sony is going to have a hand full. Especially when their mouse touted feature is one no one will use for a while, Bluray.

Basically: Sony will flop, nintendo will just stay afloat, and Microsoft will dominate.

I'm sure as hell not going to buy that $600 abomination.

[CrAz3D]

mmmmmmmmmm, i dunno.

MS might just be holding on once the PS3 hits...there are people that will drop $600 bones for that, MAYBE itll be too much tho.
Nintendo, they have a cult following, but they arent much competition for anyone in the US it seems...its all PS or xbox

[rabbit]

Let's wait until the PS3 comes out and the 360 comes out. I think Microsoft is well established and Sony is going to have a hand full. Especially when their mouse touted feature is one no one will use for a while, Bluray.

Basically: Sony will flop, nintendo will just stay afloat, and Microsoft will dominate.

I'm sure as hell not going to buy that $600 abomination.

XBox is shit in Japan, which is where most of the money consoles get flows from.  PS3 rocks asians.

[dark_drake]

mmmmmmmmmm, i dunno.

MS might just be holding on once the PS3 hits...there are people that will drop $600 bones for that, MAYBE itll be too much tho.
Nintendo, they have a cult following, but they arent much competition for anyone in the US it seems...its all PS or xbox

I think it will all come down to third party support.

[Warrior]

Let's wait until the PS3 comes out and the 360 comes out. I think Microsoft is well established and Sony is going to have a hand full. Especially when their mouse touted feature is one no one will use for a while, Bluray.

Basically: Sony will flop, nintendo will just stay afloat, and Microsoft will dominate.

I'm sure as hell not going to buy that $600 abomination.

XBox is shit in Japan, which is where most of the money consoles get flows from.  PS3 rocks asians.

I'd like to see an asian pay $600 for a peice of shit PS3, remember PS3 "isn't a console" according to sony. It's a fucking shitty rip off of Wii's controllers, sub par graphics, and a non standard propriatary format. I don't possibly see how this can work. Sony is running out of ideas and will die soon. Let's not forget the little rootkit incident, whoever trusts them after that is fucking retarded.

[deadly7]

I'd like to see an asian pay $600 for a peice of shit PS3, remember PS3 "isn't a console" according to sony. It's a fucking shitty rip off of Wii's controllers, sub par graphics, and a non standard propriatary format. I don't possibly see how this can work. Sony is running out of ideas and will die soon. Let's not forget the little rootkit incident, whoever trusts them after that is fucking retarded.

Yet you trust Microsoft after all their bugs/stupid coding in their OS so much why?  Hypocrite.

[Warrior]

I'd like to see an asian pay $600 for a peice of shit PS3, remember PS3 "isn't a console" according to sony. It's a fucking shitty rip off of Wii's controllers, sub par graphics, and a non standard propriatary format. I don't possibly see how this can work. Sony is running out of ideas and will die soon. Let's not forget the little rootkit incident, whoever trusts them after that is fucking retarded.

Yet you trust Microsoft after all their bugs/stupid coding in their OS so much why?  Hypocrite.

I think I've proven you're an idiot enough on these forums for you to warrant a reasonable response. Get lost and go learn something about how something else works.

[Newby]

Let's wait until the PS3 comes out and the 360 comes out. I think Microsoft is well established and Sony is going to have a hand full. Especially when their mouse touted feature is one no one will use for a while, Bluray.

Basically: Sony will flop, nintendo will just stay afloat, and Microsoft will dominate.

I'm sure as hell not going to buy that $600 abomination.

Features no one uses? God, Windows sure has a lot of those...

[Warrior]

Let's wait until the PS3 comes out and the 360 comes out. I think Microsoft is well established and Sony is going to have a hand full. Especially when their mouse touted feature is one no one will use for a while, Bluray.

Basically: Sony will flop, nintendo will just stay afloat, and Microsoft will dominate.

I'm sure as hell not going to buy that $600 abomination.

Features no one uses? God, Windows sure has a lot of those...

Features YOU don't use. Hate to break it to you but you're not everyone.
On the other hand, no one uses Blu-Ray because there are no players/wont be any blu-ray media for a while.

[CrAz3D]

isnt the PS3 (eventho chopped down a bit, yeah?) supposed to be awesome

[Warrior]

isnt the PS3 (eventho chopped down a bit, yeah?) supposed to be awesome

It has the same graphics capabilities of the 360 with more bullshit, a higher price, a crap controller, and too much hype.

[Newby]

Features YOU don't use. Hate to break it to you but you're not everyone.
On the other hand, no one uses Blu-Ray because there are no players/wont be any blu-ray media for a while.

No one uses Blu-Ray, yet there will be Blu-Ray capabilities in the PS3, and Blu-Ray media = hi-def? Hi-def junkies will find that a PS3 not only can play games, but can watch videos in hi-def? Games will be in Blu-Ray format? Hah. It's two birds with one stone. People will buy a PS3 for reading Blu-Ray videos and it'll be able to play video games in Blu-Ray format. It'll probably be cheaper (or around the same price) as generic Blu-Ray media players, so eh? You not only get that but you also get the ability to play amazing games.

I'm a fan of the XBox 360, but I see their idea.

And as for the problem of "a while", The PS3 comes out in November. That's plenty of time to get some Blu-Ray media out.

[Warrior]

Features YOU don't use. Hate to break it to you but you're not everyone.
On the other hand, no one uses Blu-Ray because there are no players/wont be any blu-ray media for a while.

No one uses Blu-Ray, yet there will be Blu-Ray capabilities in the PS3, and Blu-Ray media = hi-def? Hi-def junkies will find that a PS3 not only can play games, but can watch videos in hi-def? Games will be in Blu-Ray format? Hah. It's two birds with one stone. People will buy a PS3 for reading Blu-Ray videos and it'll be able to play video games in Blu-Ray format. It'll probably be cheaper (or around the same price) as generic Blu-Ray media players, so eh? You not only get that but you also get the ability to play amazing games.

I'm a fan of the XBox 360, but I see their idea.

And as for the problem of "a while", The PS3 comes out in November. That's plenty of time to get some Blu-Ray media out.

Do you even know what Blu-Ray is? If you do you'd understand why saying games can be used on it is rediculous. People arn't just going to go flying to Blu-Ray, it will take time. Sony has no monopoly so they can't Vendor lock in like MS does with XPS. It will be a long time before Blu-Ray becomes mainstream enough for movies to be made for it. A blu-ray player costs $1600 (Not out yet) which will even further halt it's advancement and most of the buyers of PS3 won't be able to take advantage of the Hi-Def goodness even when/if Blu-Ray becomes standard.

Plain and simple: It isn't going to work, it's been discussed endlessly on Slashdot and other sites why it wont work and why Sony is on it's last limb.

[Hitmen]

I don't see why you have so much sand in your vagina, neither system is (going to be in the PS3's case) worth a damn anyways. 90% of the games will either 1) be availible on both systems, 2) be shitty ports of good PC games, or 3) suck.

The gamecube was by and far the best system of the current generation, so I'm hoping for good things from the Wii. Other than that, I'll stick to my computer

[Newby]

Do you even know what Blu-Ray is? If you do you'd understand why saying games can be used on it is rediculous. People arn't just going to go flying to Blu-Ray, it will take time. Sony has no monopoly so they can't Vendor lock in like MS does with XPS. It will be a long time before Blu-Ray becomes mainstream enough for movies to be made for it. A blu-ray player costs $1600 (Not out yet) which will even further halt it's advancement and most of the buyers of PS3 won't be able to take advantage of the Hi-Def goodness even when/if Blu-Ray becomes standard.

Plain and simple: It isn't going to work, it's been discussed endlessly on Slashdot and other sites why it wont work and why Sony is on it's last limb.

1. According to Wikipedia, BDA member Sony has also postponed the release date of their PlayStation 3 console, which uses Blu-ray technology for reading games, until November 2006.. That means to me that the games are in Blu-Ray format. If I'm incorrect, please correct me.

2. For hardly being out, they have one hell of a release list planned out. Same link above.

If the blu-ray player is gonna cost $1600, and the PS3 only $600, I can see where the PS3 will boom like mad.

And how will the PS3 not take advantage of the hi-def goodness? What's wrong with a hi-def plug? Care to tell me why the hi-def plug isn't good enough? That's how the XBox 360 does it...

[CrAz3D]

how much more will BluRay games/dvds cost?

[Warrior]

Do you even know what Blu-Ray is? If you do you'd understand why saying games can be used on it is rediculous. People arn't just going to go flying to Blu-Ray, it will take time. Sony has no monopoly so they can't Vendor lock in like MS does with XPS. It will be a long time before Blu-Ray becomes mainstream enough for movies to be made for it. A blu-ray player costs $1600 (Not out yet) which will even further halt it's advancement and most of the buyers of PS3 won't be able to take advantage of the Hi-Def goodness even when/if Blu-Ray becomes standard.

Plain and simple: It isn't going to work, it's been discussed endlessly on Slashdot and other sites why it wont work and why Sony is on it's last limb.

1. According to Wikipedia, BDA member Sony has also postponed the release date of their PlayStation 3 console, which uses Blu-ray technology for reading games, until November 2006.. That means to me that the games are in Blu-Ray format. If I'm incorrect, please correct me.

2. For hardly being out, they have one hell of a release list planned out. Same link above.

If the blu-ray player is gonna cost $1600, and the PS3 only $600, I can see where the PS3 will boom like mad.

And how will the PS3 not take advantage of the hi-def goodness? What's wrong with a hi-def plug? Care to tell me why the hi-def plug isn't good enough? That's how the XBox 360 does it...

This is where you're wrong, having a more expensive viewer and cheaper PS3 is going to hurt Blu-Ray's sales, think of a home user who doesn't game. Why would he buy a PS3 he'd never use? He isn't, and then he isn't going to get Blu-Ray since it's still expensive. This won't work there is no way it will work and no way it can work.

Let's think what Blu-Ray is, high definition storage for media. Do games care if you put them in Hi-Def? No, obviously other from reading a Wikipedia article it's appearant that at the time you knew little or nothing about Blu-Ray.

@Hitmen:

The 360 has the most advanced graphics processing capabilities to date, in other words it currently beats any PC hardware on the market. The only thing that will tower over it is DirectX 10 and that won't be out until Vista is out and supported cards are out.

Now let's look at HDTV, a project led by Microsoft and others including Intel. Do you really thing Sony, the rootkitting useless peice of shit company is going to stand up to that? I seriously doubt it.

@Hitmen:
Nintendo is barely surviving, they dominate nothing anymore. The Wii is their last chance to innovate and stand up to the now big boys of the market. Now post factual information on how the Wii or gamecube had/has any chance against feirce competitiors like Microsoft and Sony? Hint: There is none, nintendo only has Mario (the most played out title in history) and some shitty disney games as it's launch titles. There is no way it can win with subpar graphics dated to those used in the XBox.

[rabbit]

Let's wait until the PS3 comes out and the 360 comes out. I think Microsoft is well established and Sony is going to have a hand full. Especially when their mouse touted feature is one no one will use for a while, Bluray.

Basically: Sony will flop, nintendo will just stay afloat, and Microsoft will dominate.

I'm sure as hell not going to buy that $600 abomination.

XBox is shit in Japan, which is where most of the money consoles get flows from.  PS3 rocks asians.

I'd like to see an asian pay $600 for a peice of shit PS3, remember PS3 "isn't a console" according to sony. It's a fucking shitty rip off of Wii's controllers, sub par graphics, and a non standard propriatary format. I don't possibly see how this can work. Sony is running out of ideas and will die soon. Let's not forget the little rootkit incident, whoever trusts them after that is fucking retarded.

Actually the PS3 controller is the standard PS controller, only silvery, and with the motion sensor.  If you're going to say it's a rip off of the Wii's controller, get it right.  It's not ripping off anything.  It's similar in that it has a motion sensor, but Nintendo didn't invent the motion sensor.  In fact, I'd say that Nintendo is ripping off EyeToy.  EyeToy was the first controller which allowed gamers to control game action not by buttons, but by motion.  And its graphics are actually really good.  The difference is nominal, and if you care that much, you need a life.  Also, of course its format isn't standard.  It uses a disc system which only has 2 players made for it, and they come out this week.  It can't be standard if it isn't used yet.  Try valid arguments, please.

[dark_drake]

@Hitmen:
Nintendo is barely surviving, they dominate nothing anymore. The Wii is their last chance to innovate and stand up to the now big boys of the market. Now post factual information on how the Wii or gamecube had/has any chance against feirce competitiors like Microsoft and Sony? Hint: There is none, nintendo only has Mario (the most played out title in history) and some shitty disney games as it's launch titles. There is no way it can win with subpar graphics dated to those used in the XBox.

*cough*Zelda*cough*

Also, I never really understood the whole craze about graphics.  Graphics don't exactly make a game.  For example, Dark Cloud 2 didn't have revolutionary graphics but it was a great game.  I guess I'm one of the few who has always valued  gameplay above graphics. 

[Warrior]

Actually the PS3 controller is the standard PS controller, only silvery, and with the motion sensor.  If you're going to say it's a rip off of the Wii's controller, get it right.  It's not ripping off anything.  It's similar in that it has a motion sensor, but Nintendo didn't invent the motion sensor.  In fact, I'd say that Nintendo is ripping off EyeToy.  EyeToy was the first controller which allowed gamers to control game action not by buttons, but by motion.  And its graphics are actually really good.  The difference is nominal, and if you care that much, you need a life.  Also, of course its format isn't standard.  It uses a disc system which only has 2 players made for it, and they come out this week.  It can't be standard if it isn't used yet.  Try valid arguments, please.

It can't be standard in the small time frame between now and the PS3's release. I've STATED WHY (Crazy prices and the average person, read my posts). It won't become standard, will flop, and will probably be beaten by HD-DVD.

Sony has such a blatant rip off of the Wii, Eye toy was an extension to use and it didn't use the 6 axis motion sensing that the controllers now use. That is what Nintendo pioneered and what Sony stole.

That's my point, the graphics are the same as the 360 yet the PS3 costs way more for a non standard HD player and a ripped controller? I'd rather stay with a 360 which has better titles, better support, better online, realiability (I don't want a rootkit in my controller k?) ..fuck it the 360 has better everything.

Sony loses, MS Wins (again). This is how MS dominates every market they enter and this is what I base my original point on.

Please, if you have any logical argument against this please post it, it'd be interesting to read.

[deadly7]

I think I've proven you're an idiot enough on these forums for you to warrant a reasonable response. Get lost and go learn something about how something else works.

I love how immature and idiotic you are.  Go fuck yourself.

[Warrior]

I think I've proven you're an idiot enough on these forums for you to warrant a reasonable response. Get lost and go learn something about how something else works.

I love how immature and idiotic you are.  Go fuck yourself.

Maybe I'd be "immature and idiotic" if half the time you weren't talking out of your ass. Research what you're trying to bring up. You talk as if all software doesnt have bugs and you make ignorant remarks in an attempt to please everyone in the clan. Stop trying to be a showoff, you're annoying the fuck out of me.

[dark_drake]

The only thing I can think of that Blu-ray has on the HD-DVD is that the Blu-ray has more capacity.  It all depends on what the consumer will embrace, though.

Also, I don't think the Xbox 360 shipped standard with HD-DVD compatibility.  I seem to remember hearing something that they were planning to ship it as an add-on at a later date.

[deadly7]

Maybe I'd be "immature and idiotic" if half the time you weren't talking out of your ass. Research what you're trying to bring up. You talk as if all software doesnt have bugs and you make ignorant remarks in an attempt to please everyone in the clan. Stop trying to be a showoff, you're annoying the fuck out of me.

So you'd be immature and idiotic if I wasn't talking out of my ass.  Thanks, you just proved my point, fucking retard.
Oh?  One sony rootkit.  But did you ignore Microsoft sending information out when you SEARCH your fucking hard drive?  Did you forget about all the exploits?  If operating systems/software are allowed to have bugs, why aren't things like the PS3?  All software doesn't have bugs.  Maybe if you knew English, you'd know using words like "all" or "none" won't work, but it's apparent you don't.  My Hello World program doesn't have bugs.  I'm attempting to please no one in the clan.  You just say fucking idiotic things.  I'd trust sony a hell a lot more than I'd trust Microsoft sending out random information whenever the hell it fucking pleases.  You're annoying about ten times more than I am, Mr. Instigating Son Of A Bitch.

[Warrior]

Maybe I'd be "immature and idiotic" if half the time you weren't talking out of your ass. Research what you're trying to bring up. You talk as if all software doesnt have bugs and you make ignorant remarks in an attempt to please everyone in the clan. Stop trying to be a showoff, you're annoying the fuck out of me.

So you'd be immature and idiotic if I wasn't talking out of my ass.  Thanks, you just proved my point, fucking retard.
Oh?  One sony rootkit.  But did you ignore Microsoft sending information out when you SEARCH your fucking hard drive?  Did you forget about all the exploits?  If operating systems/software are allowed to have bugs, why aren't things like the PS3?  All software doesn't have bugs.  Maybe if you knew English, you'd know using words like "all" or "none" won't work, but it's apparent you don't.  My Hello World program doesn't have bugs.  I'm attempting to please no one in the clan.  You just say fucking idiotic things.  I'd trust sony a hell a lot more than I'd trust Microsoft sending out random information whenever the hell it fucking pleases.  You're annoying about ten times more than I am, Mr. Instigating Son Of A Bitch.

Every operating systems has exploits/sends out information. You mean Microsoft sends search information, sort of how google has it publicly avalible? Say it isn't so!!?!

You can trust companies with rootkits, you'd be the retard not me. I don't like you, learn about Windows/Security/anything THEN come talk. You're talking out of your ass and it stinks.

[Newby]

I like how Warrior bashes Sony the rootkitting motherfucks, but M$ is the one who's WGA connects every day with M$.  IIRC the license says it does that, but it doesn't say why. (It's to check whether or not your copy of XP is valid or some shit.. but still.)

[Warrior]

I like how Warrior bashes Sony the rootkitting motherfucks, but M$ is the one who's WGA connects every day with M$.  IIRC the license says it does that, but it doesn't say why. (It's to check whether or not your copy of XP is valid or some shit.. but still.)

That's exactly what it does, I still don't see your point. It's not mandatory, if you dont have it you just cant use some windows features. If you would of paid for the product you should have no problem with this. If you pirated it then why are you complaining? Please if you're going to try to bash MS and this goes to any of you, come up with something productive. Why don't all of you go in a little huddle, giggle and think of a good MS joke. When you think you have something semi smart then come and post it. Anything else is annoying.

PS: You can bold all you want, that's still not a valid point.

[Newby]

That's exactly what it does, I still don't see your point. It's not mandatory, if you dont have it you just cant use some windows features. If you would of paid for the product you should have no problem with this. If you pirated it then why are you complaining? Please if you're going to try to bash MS and this goes to any of you, come up with something productive. Why don't all of you go in a little huddle, giggle and think of a good MS joke. When you think you have something semi smart then come and post it. Anything else is annoying.

What if someone hacks the DNS for the WGA domain (if there is one) and points it to some malicious site, and then this WGA program attempts to connect and suddenly you're running malicious code? Who knows for sure?

Hell, what if it disables your copy of Windows until you re-activate it? Let's say there's no malicious code, and it just de-activates every copy of Windows that has internet access at the time... that would be mass pain in the ass.

[Warrior]

That's exactly what it does, I still don't see your point. It's not mandatory, if you dont have it you just cant use some windows features. If you would of paid for the product you should have no problem with this. If you pirated it then why are you complaining? Please if you're going to try to bash MS and this goes to any of you, come up with something productive. Why don't all of you go in a little huddle, giggle and think of a good MS joke. When you think you have something semi smart then come and post it. Anything else is annoying.

What if someone hacks the DNS for the WGA domain (if there is one) and points it to some malicious site, and then this WGA program attempts to connect and suddenly you're running malicious code? Who knows for sure?

Hell, what if it disables your copy of Windows until you re-activate it? Let's say there's no malicious code, and it just de-activates every copy of Windows that has internet access at the time... that would be mass pain in the ass.

Microsoft would correct it/This would never happen. If you're going to make scenarios atleast make them practical.

[Newby]

Microsoft would correct it/This would never happen. If you're going to make scenarios atleast make them practical.

You're saying that hacking a DNS server is impractical? DNS Cache Poisoning is impossible?

I think it has a realistic chance of it happening. M$ would correct it how exactly? Re-activating every copy of XP?