The way they set up the talent trees so far completely destroys the effective ways most rogues spec, they're making Vanish finally remove Vanish/Mind Vision, well grats, this should have been done when the game first fucking came out, not two and a half years later. Rogues are getting fed the shithole of the chain. I'd gladly trade my rogue for a fury warrior, or a mage, or even a warlock. Most of the changes they made are just nifty little things that will never help outside of pvp. I rolled this class so I could deal damage, in my guilds raids the top damage dealers are the dps warriors, then the mages, and then our rogues. The only time rogues will always come out top in DPS charts is for Vael in BWL, and that's because we get unlimited energy.
Vanish finally removes Vanish? I think you complain too much, personally. I group with Fury Warriors, I PvP at my Rogue at level 60. I'm getting none of the frustration that you are experiencing. My suggestion: quit bitching and reroll. By the way, you realize mages have unlimited mana for Vael too, right?
With Naxx now out, every class is getting buffed, our damage still stays static other then BS/SS. You can't argue this because Eviscerate, our best finisher, and generally our only useful one will ALWAYS hit for the same damage, I was dueling people with dual wielded dirks (1 - 3 damage), and would be eviscerating for 1600 crit. I put on my Fang of the Faceless/Lobo and would still eviscerate crit for 1600. You're fucking kidding me if you honestly think we shouldn't get a buff. These attacks should function just as Backstab/Sinister Strike/Ambush. A certain amount of damage that's scaled by gear. I'll make you a video of me in WSG later to show you how things work.
Backstab and Sinister Strike are the main damage abilities. They're obviously determined by your weapon strength, so I don't understand why you're bitching. Eviscerate is not a Rogue's best finishing move. The appropriate finishing move is always dependant on the situation. Sure, Eviscerate is probably the most commonly used one, but I don't really care that it does static damage. The DPS I did to achieve whatever damage Eviscerate does was WAY higher (in the rare case that all sinister strikes were crits, anywhere from 2500 - 4500 damage with JUST sinister strikes. this does not count white damage, which can hit for tons too).
Sidoh: Why would I have Blade Flurry? You realize Backstab is a 60 energy talent correct? I'm not going to spec so far into Combat so I can attack 20% faster for a few seconds. And a lot of the time I'm only fighting one person. My spec is a 21/8/22 combo. Linked here. When I post a video you'll see. When we get the free respec I'll spec for Blade Flurry just to please you, kk?
The only dagger rogue in my raid that pvp's regularly uses that strategy all of the time and says its the most viable thing he can do as a Rogue. He says he's dropped 6 horde in less than 6 seconds. You can backstab twice within a second (assuming the first backstab lands on a "tock" and not a "tick," as each "tick" 20 energy is restored).
Yes, and I've been one shotted by a rogue, Screenor. What's your point? Every class with good gear can do damage. Except for Pallies, they just suck.
Rogues are an extremely viable class. In my opinion, screenor just cries too much.
Also, Blaze, you're wrong about Paladins not being able to DPS.
I agree, rogue's need help. Back at level 45, death coil, drop DoT's, fear and nuke, watch the poor 49+ rogue drop.
Get to 60 and duel my Rogue. Bet I kick your ass.
When I was in the 40's bracket, Warlocks were my easiest target. Sure, there were times I had to use sprint to catch up to one who got fear/death coil off on me, but I could almost always take a Warlock 1v1. You simply face really sucky rogues.
Yes, but the game should be balanced enough that rogues don't get owned by warlocks several levels below them with no escape plan or chance of survival at all. =)
Again: face a half way decent Rogue and then you will earn the priviledge to speak.
