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Quote from: CrAz3D on July 21, 2006, 05:43:58 pmQuote from: Warrior[x86] on July 21, 2006, 05:38:17 pmBottom line: Torture isn't a method we should be using to extract information. It's defined as a cruel and unusual punishment in the United States Constitution.yeah...but there are exceptions to every rule ... at least so far there have beenOh so there is an exception to denying the rights guaranteed by the constitution so long as you are tried under the united states courts? Nice. It's great to see that the US government is willing to deny the rights it promised to people and resort to the torture and tyranny seen in Britain.
Quote from: Warrior[x86] on July 21, 2006, 05:38:17 pmBottom line: Torture isn't a method we should be using to extract information. It's defined as a cruel and unusual punishment in the United States Constitution.yeah...but there are exceptions to every rule ... at least so far there have been
Bottom line: Torture isn't a method we should be using to extract information. It's defined as a cruel and unusual punishment in the United States Constitution.
And I disagree, if I was afraid for my life and they asked me if xxx was a terrorist, I'd say yes just to make them stop. If they asked me to name all the terrorists I know, and I only knew 1 or 2, then I'd start naming everybody I could, just to stop them from torturing me. My instinct would be to name names as fast as I could, without regard to whether or not it's true and not waste time trying to remember the names of every terrorist.Keep in mind that all it takes is a SINGLE mistake made by somebody being tortured (and I think we can agree that they're under some duress), and suddenly innocent people are being forced to name names that they probably don't even know.
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Quote from: CrAz3D on June 30, 2008, 10:38:22 amI'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.That analogy doesn't even make sense. Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT.
I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.
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Quote from: Warrior[x86] on July 21, 2006, 05:38:17 pmBottom line: Torture isn't a method we should be using to extract information. It's defined as a cruel and unusual punishment in the United States Constitution.I assume we are discussing people in foreign nations from iago saying that it always seems better to be the country doing the torturing. And if they are foreign, then they have no rights under the US constitution.
Quote from: leet_muffin on July 21, 2006, 09:40:34 pmQuote from: Warrior[x86] on July 21, 2006, 05:38:17 pmBottom line: Torture isn't a method we should be using to extract information. It's defined as a cruel and unusual punishment in the United States Constitution.I assume we are discussing people in foreign nations from iago saying that it always seems better to be the country doing the torturing. And if they are foreign, then they have no rights under the US constitution.Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't your constitution practically start with, "...all men are created equal...", and not "...all Americans are created equal..."?
It all depends how you define torture. To me torture is doing actual physical harm to said captive or people with relations to said captive. This is just a more extreme example of the methods they use. They are also known to make prisoners stand/kneel/whatever for 'excessive' lengths of time.
Torture is any act by which severe pain, whether physical or psychological, is intentionally inflicted on a person as a means of intimidation, deterrence, revenge, punishment, or information gathering. It can be used as an interrogation tactic to extract confessions. Torture is also used as a method of coercion or as a tool to control groups seen as a threat by governments. Throughout history, it has often been used as a method of effecting religious conversion or political "re-education".
1 a : anguish of body or mind : AGONY b : something that causes agony or pain
Yes, it does. Our constitution is also quite contradicting at times. This is a perfect example. Foreigners dont have any protection under the constitution. (It comes in particularily handy when dealing with illegal Mexicans.) Another example is black people being unprotected for several years, and they were American citizens.
All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
yeah, thats true...the Constitution basically means whatever we say it means...yay for living documents
Quote from: leet_muffin on July 22, 2006, 03:57:01 amYes, it does. Our constitution is also quite contradicting at times. This is a perfect example. Foreigners dont have any protection under the constitution. (It comes in particularily handy when dealing with illegal Mexicans.) Another example is black people being unprotected for several years, and they were American citizens.So all people are created equal, but only if they're Americans? That's fucking stupid. Your statements quickly remind me of Animal Farm:QuoteAll animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Yes, it does. Our constitution is also quite contradicting at times. This is a perfect example. Foreigners dont have any protection under the constitution. (It comes in particularily handy when dealing with illegal Mexicans.)
IIRC, illegal immigrants are guaranteed certain rights. Due process, right to remain silent, and free from unreasonable searches and seizures are the ones I remember.
They're guaranteed this right: The one the border patrol van takes to dump their foreign asses over the motherfucking border.They need to learn to get in line. Lots of people immigrating here do. Why the fuck can't they?