Girl, 11, PREGNANT

[leet_muffin]

I think that being human, being conscious, and having a soul are all necessary for each other.  I don't think a person can be considered human without being conscious, having a soul without being human, etc. 

Just curious, but what about people in a permanant vegetative state?  Terri Schiavo is a somewhat recent case of this.  She wasn't conscious, so was she not human?

On the contrary, I heard recordings of her yelling "stop it!" about something they were doing. But that's irrelavent, and I see (and also want to know the answer to) your question.

[CrAz3D]

I think that being human, being conscious, and having a soul are all necessary for each other.  I don't think a person can be considered human without being conscious, having a soul without being human, etc. 

Just curious, but what about people in a permanant vegetative state?  Terri Schiavo is a somewhat recent case of this.  She wasn't conscious, so was she not human?

On the contrary, I heard recordings of her yelling "stop it!" about something they were doing. But that's irrelavent, and I see (and also want to know the answer to) your question.

that must've been at the beginning, not the end.  She was basically gone by the end of her life

[iago]

I don't think we have to worry about zombies.....

"For by death is wrought greater change than hath been shown. Whereas in general the spirit that removed cometh back upon occasion, and is sometimes seen of those in flesh (appearing in the form of the body it bore) yet it hath happened that the veritable body without the spirit hath walked. And it is attested of those encountering who have lived to speak thereon that a lich so raised up hath no natural affection, nor remembrance thereof, but only hate. Also, it is known that some spirits which in life were benign become by death evil altogether.--Hali." (from The Death of Halpin Fraiser, by Ambrose Bierce)

[TeHFoOoL]

Like iago said, this is just another one of this speculative arguements that'll never end.

Personally, I'm for abortion.

Situation: Mom is going to have a baby.

Probable causes for getting abortion:

1. Can't afford it. A baby is very time and money consuming, and I'm sure many people can get into a situation where they will be pregnant and be unable to provide financial support. If this is the case, then both the mother and the kid will suffer from poverty, which will fuck up the kid even more than a mother who couldn't afford him/her in the fist place.

2. Doesn't want it. The mom might completely hate the thought of having a child of her own, and then what will become of the child? The mother will be forced to nurture and raise a child that she didn't want in the first place. Or, the child might go into an orphanage, and we all know that that'll bring loads of fun in that person's life. Sure, I'd choose an orphanage over death but the babies don't have the conscience to make that choice.

I just used the mother in this example. I could mix in the father and add a few more reasons but those are too extensive.