The Bible - The Only Truth?

[Joe]

I'm interested in everyone's opinion on the bible. In my church, the bible is reguarded as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. If someone says something, and the bible says the opposite, he's just plain wrong, and all our sermon's come from the bible, with each "point" referring to a verse. However, some verses, specifically 1 Corinthians 14:33b-35 make me question wether or not that's such a great idea.

[rabbit]

Doesn't the Bible say that gambling and murder are wrong, officially, somewhere?  (Seriously)

[skip]

Doesn't the Bible say that gambling and murder are wrong, officially, somewhere?  (Seriously)

Yes, the 10 commandments says murder is wrong. But gambling, on the other hand, does not. However, once it becomes an obsession, then it becomes a sin. For it says in the 10 commandments: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

I'm interested in everyone's opinion on the bible. In my church, the bible is reguarded as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. If someone says something, and the bible says the opposite, he's just plain wrong, and all our sermon's come from the bible, with each "point" referring to a verse. However, some verses, specifically 1 Corinthians 14:33b-35 make me question wether or not that's such a great idea.

OH MAN. My pastor preached on that EXACT verse one Sunday. But, unfortunately... my memory sucks. Sorry, lol. But all I know is, that The Bible is the only truth, regarding religion.

[rabbit]

Well then God is a hypocrit (I know I can't spell).  See: Book of Job

[skip]

Well then God is a hypocrit (I know I can't spell).  See: Book of Job

More specifically? 

[Sidoh]

Well then God is a hypocrit (I know I can't spell).  See: Book of Job

Why should god be bound to his own laws?  He's a deity.  He can do what he wants.  One of his fundamental traits is benevolence.  Everything he does is for an innocent reason.

[dark_drake]

Well then God is a hypocrit (I know I can't spell).  See: Book of Job

Why should god be bound to his own laws?  He's a deity.  He can do what he wants.  One of his fundamental traits is benevolence.  Everything he does is for an innocent reason.

What if he were to smite your roommate? Would the benevolent reasoning behind that be Him trying to give you more room? 

[Sidoh]

What if he were to smite your roommate? Would the benevolent reasoning behind that be Him trying to give you more room? 

Precisely.

[rabbit]

Well then God is a hypocrit (I know I can't spell).  See: Book of Job

Why should god be bound to his own laws?  He's a deity.  He can do what he wants.  One of his fundamental traits is benevolence.  Everything he does is for an innocent reason.

What he did to Job was a bullshit reason:

Satan: Hey, God, I bet if you fuck with Job, kill his family, destroy his livelihood, and demolish his home he won't pray to you anymore!
God: You're on!
* Job get's royally fucked
Satan: HAH!  I win

[Sidoh]

What he did to Job was a bullshit reason:

Satan: Hey, God, I bet if you fuck with Job, kill his family, destroy his livelihood, and demolish his home he won't pray to you anymore!
God: You're on!
* Job get's royally fucked
Satan: HAH!  I win

How can you claim to see through the eyes of the deity?  Are you capable of tracing every possible reaction and result that this set of decisions spawned?

[skip]

Well then God is a hypocrit (I know I can't spell).  See: Book of Job

Why should god be bound to his own laws?  He's a deity.  He can do what he wants.  One of his fundamental traits is benevolence.  Everything he does is for an innocent reason.

What he did to Job was a bullshit reason:

Satan: Hey, God, I bet if you fuck with Job, kill his family, destroy his livelihood, and demolish his home he won't pray to you anymore!
God: You're on!
* Job get's royally fucked
Satan: HAH!  I win

God did that to test Job's faithfulness. And, obviously, Job continued to stay faithful throughout everything he went through. For is says in The Bible:

Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance.

James 1:2-3

[Joe]

God is bound by his own laws because he promised not to change, and if he did he'd be a liar. We all know that wouldn't be good.

Also, as skip said, he was testing Job, in the same way he told Isaac to sacrafice his son (was it Isaac?) to see if he feared God.

[rabbit]

God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.  Anyway, God is setting a bad example for "thou shalt not kill" by killing Job's ENTIRE FAMILY just to say "hey, good job Job [no pun intended] you remained faithful to me even while I completely ruined your entire life.  O, and by the way, I wouldn't have done it, except Satan dared me."  What.  The.  Fuck.

[skip]

God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.  Anyway, God is setting a bad example for "thou shalt not kill" by killing Job's ENTIRE FAMILY just to say "hey, good job Job [no pun intended] you remained faithful to me even while I completely ruined your entire life.  O, and by the way, I wouldn't have done it, except Satan dared me."  What.  The.  Fuck.

As Sidoh said, how can you claim to see through the eyes of a deity? Our finite minds cannot even come close to ponder what goes on inside of an infinite mind.

[rabbit]

If we weren't supposed to see it through the eyes of a diety, why is it written and put into a book specifically meant to teach people?  If it weren't meant for man, why is it in a book FOR man?

[Joe]

I'm going to have to read the book of Job.. that sounds interesting.

[skip]

If we weren't supposed to see it through the eyes of a diety, why is it written and put into a book specifically meant to teach people?  If it weren't meant for man, why is it in a book FOR man?

The things that God has revealed to us is only the things that we absolutely need. How to recieve salvation. Nothing more, nothing less.

God doesn't need to explain to us why he does the things he does. He is God. He doesn't need to answer to us. I'm sure God has an explanation for everything he has done.

I'm really tired. If that doesn't make sense... sorry.... I want to sleep........ but..... MUST ENDURE.

[Sidoh]

God is bound by his own laws because he promised not to change, and if he did he'd be a liar. We all know that wouldn't be good.

No... he's not.  He's a deity.  He's omnipotent.  He's not bound to anything.  The only thing that "ties" him to his own laws is his benevolence, which is a rather convoluted way to look at it.

[Explicit]

God is bound by his own laws because he promised not to change, and if he did he'd be a liar. We all know that wouldn't be good.

No... he's not.  He's a deity.  He's omnipotent.  He's not bound to anything.  The only thing that "ties" him to his own laws is his benevolence, which is a rather convoluted way to look at it.

Agreed.

[Joe]

Well, he created his laws so those who followed them would be doing good things. Being benevolent, he must do good things as well, so he's kind of tied to his own laws. Not that he has the specific laws that he laid down that he has to follow, but in the same idea that they were created so their followers would do good, God also does good and doesn't break those laws. I think that's what Sidoh just said but oh well.

[rabbit]

If we weren't supposed to see it through the eyes of a diety, why is it written and put into a book specifically meant to teach people?  If it weren't meant for man, why is it in a book FOR man?

The things that God has revealed to us is only the things that we absolutely need. How to recieve salvation. Nothing more, nothing less.

God doesn't need to explain to us why he does the things he does. He is God. He doesn't need to answer to us. I'm sure God has an explanation for everything he has done.

I'm really tired. If that doesn't make sense... sorry.... I want to sleep........ but..... MUST ENDURE.

So you're saying 98% of the Bible is fluff?

[Sidoh]

Well, he created his laws so those who followed them would be doing good things. Being benevolent, he must do good things as well, so he's kind of tied to his own laws. Not that he has the specific laws that he laid down that he has to follow, but in the same idea that they were created so their followers would do good, God also does good and doesn't break those laws. I think that's what Sidoh just said but oh well.

The only thing that "ties" him to his own laws is his benevolence, which is a rather convoluted way to look at it.

[Joe]

Well, he created his laws so those who followed them would be doing good things. Being benevolent, he must do good things as well, so he's kind of tied to his own laws. Not that he has the specific laws that he laid down that he has to follow, but in the same idea that they were created so their followers would do good, God also does good and doesn't break those laws. I think that's what Sidoh just said but oh well.

The only thing that "ties" him to his own laws is his benevolence, which is a rather convoluted way to look at it.

Well, he created his laws so those who followed them would be doing good things. Being benevolent, he must do good things as well, so he's kind of tied to his own laws. Not that he has the specific laws that he laid down that he has to follow, but in the same idea that they were created so their followers would do good, God also does good and doesn't break those laws. I think that's what Sidoh just said but oh well.

[Sidoh]

I recognize that you identified your repetition, but you failed to see why I said it was a bad way of looking at binding, which is exactly why I said it was a convoluted way to look at it.

[Joe]

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