Maelstrom Battlegroup

[Furious]

[Blaze]

I'm in Death and Taxes' Battlegroup.  I hope we get some of their horde.

[ZeroX]

Does that mean we will be playing with people from all those servers? WTF they have moonrunners and a few other normal servers in there. Nobody PvPs on a normal server.

[Sidoh]

Does that mean we will be playing with people from all those servers? WTF they have moonrunners and a few other normal servers in there. Nobody PvPs on a normal server.

Just because people don't like getting ganked at arbitrary times doesn't mean they don't enjoy battlegrounds...

[Armin]

The only difference I can see between normal servers and PvP servers, is that people who play alliance on normal servers, won't be able to take down shaman as easily as alliance on PvP servers, and vice-versa, yet with Paladins.

[Screenor]

I'm in Death and Taxes' Battlegroup.  I hope we get some of their horde.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but D&T is Alliance. So what exactly do you mean "some of their horde"?

[Sidoh]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but D&T is Alliance. So what exactly do you mean "some of their horde"?

Alts, I think.

[Kaleeko]

Haha. Detheroc's on the list. I could hop on my troll mage and PvP against all of you in the 30-39 bracket. *cackle* ...

[Screenor]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but D&T is Alliance. So what exactly do you mean "some of their horde"?

Alts, I think.

I feel bad for the Horde on my server, Aegwynn is in the same group as D&T (and apparently Blaze?). I was on the second best horde guild (Legend) on Aegwynn's vent last night, they were playing against D&T's team when I came in. Didn't last long, heh.

[Krazed]

D&T is amazing, purely amazing. They downed all 13 bosses in naxx, and started on the boss right for Kel, they have a video of it on their website. (They got totally wrecked. 

[Joe]

If they got wrecked, they didn't down "all' 13 bosses, you'd think..

[Sidoh]

If they got wrecked, they didn't down "all' 13 bosses, you'd think..

Only if you're a newbie to raiding.

Especially in Naxxrammas, boss fights revolve totally around strategy.  It doesn't matter how much skill, gear or balance your group brings; if you don't conform to the intended strategy (or some alternative one which serves the same roles as the intended), you'll be crushed.  Since Blizzard doesn't give the slightest hint of what you're supposed to do for any battle in Naxxrammas, you're left to figure it out for yourself.  There may be some clues during the trials, but it ultimately boils down to pure trial and error.  You try something, attempt to observe where the group started to perish at an abnormal rate, and then try things to counter the force that caused it.

I'm pretty sure that Death and Taxes only recently started Kel'Thuzad.  They've obviously conquered the strategies for all of the bosses leading up to Kel'Thuzad by finding and implementing the correct strategy.  They're in the process of doing the same for Kel'Thuzad.

[Screenor]

If they got wrecked, they didn't down "all' 13 bosses, you'd think..

Only if you're a newbie to raiding.

Especially in Naxxrammas, boss fights revolve totally around strategy.  It doesn't matter how much skill, gear or balance your group brings; if you don't conform to the intended strategy (or some alternative one which serves the same roles as the intended), you'll be crushed.  Since Blizzard doesn't give the slightest hint of what you're supposed to do for any battle in Naxxrammas, you're left to figure it out for yourself.  There may be some clues during the trials, but it ultimately boils down to pure trial and error.  You try something, attempt to observe where the group started to perish at an abnormal rate, and then try things to counter the force that caused it.

I'm pretty sure that Death and Taxes only recently started Kel'Thuzad.  They've obviously conquered the strategies for all of the bosses leading up to Kel'Thuzad by finding and implementing the correct strategy.  They're in the process of doing the same for Kel'Thuzad.

D&T is on Sapphiron, not Kel'thuzad.

[Sidoh]

D&T is on Sapphiron, not Kel'thuzad.

I'm talking about the boss Kel'Thuzad.  You know, the final boss in Naxxrammas?  The one being discussed in this conversation?  If you're going to scan posts, consider actually reading them if you decide to reply.

[Screenor]

D&T is on Sapphiron, not Kel'thuzad.

I'm talking about the boss Kel'Thuzad.  You know, the final boss in Naxxrammas?  The one being discussed in this conversation?  If you're going to scan posts, consider actually reading them if you decide to reply.

That's what I'm talking about, consider actually thinking before you decide to reply. They're on the boss called Sapphiron, you know, the 2nd to last boss in Naxxrammas? As I said before, not Kel'Thuzad.

[Krazed]

To clear all this up, Screenor's right. Joe: What I meant is that in Naxx, theres 15 bosses, you have to down the first 13 to unlock Sapphiron, and then down him to get to Kel'Thuzad, D&T was the first (and they have a video of the fight), to down the 13, then get to Sapphiron. I think they got him to like.. 93%. 

[Sidoh]

That's what I'm talking about, consider actually thinking before you decide to reply. They're on the boss called Sapphiron, you know, the 2nd to last boss in Naxxrammas? As I said before, not Kel'Thuzad.

Perhaps you shouldn't use ambiguous wording, then.  It's not my fault I immediately interpreted "D&T is <on> <name>" as them being on a server other than one I didn't bother to mention.

To clear all this up, Screenor's right. Joe: What I meant is that in Naxx, theres 15 bosses, you have to down the first 13 to unlock Sapphiron, and then down him to get to Kel'Thuzad, D&T was the first (and they have a video of the fight), to down the 13, then get to Sapphiron. I think they got him to like.. 93%. 

Replace "Kel'Thuzad" with "Sapphiron" in my long, wordy post and I'll be right.  The same principle applies.

[Screenor]

Perhaps you shouldn't use ambiguous wording, then.  It's not my fault I immediately interpreted "D&T is <on> <name>" as them being on a server other than one I didn't bother to mention. Wink

Try using your brain then before trying to prove me wrong, idiot.

Replace "Kel'Thuzad" with "Sapphiron" in my long, wordy post and I'll be right.  The same principle applies. Tongue

Atleast try to get your facts straight, there's a huge difference between the two bosses.

[Krazed]

What's the difference? Ones a big blue dragon, and idk what Kel is. 

[Screenor]

What's the difference? Ones a big blue dragon, and idk what Kel is. 

One's the hardest boss in the game, the other isn't.

[Sidoh]

Try using your brain then before trying to prove me wrong, idiot.

Perhaps you should consider adopting your own advice -- I used my brain.

As I said, your wording was ambiguous to the point it could be validly interpreted as at least two absolute separate meanings.  You obviously left the context of your sentence to vanquish the ambiguity, but since it had no explicit context, there's no validity in accusing anyone of interpreting it in an alternative way.

Please, tell me how it is invalid to interpret your sentence as I did.

Atleast try to get your facts straight, there's a huge difference between the two bosses.

Hmm... this goes back to my advice in the post that started this whole mess: do not reply to a post unless you've thorougly read it.  Scanning it just doesn't do.

My post included a general principle which applies to all higher-end bosses in World of Warcraft: skill, gear or reputation cannot compensate for strategy.  Strategy is a vital, game-breaking constituent of successfully defeating a boss.  This is exactly why I said replacing the name of the boss (or even removing it to make a general statement) would remove any invalidities of what I'd said.

In essence, there isn't a difference between the two bosses when you're purely referring to my statement: they both require strategy to beat.  So, no.  There isn't a huge difference between these two bosses in this context.

[Screenor]

You were the only one who didn't understand, anyone else who replied to that post knew what I meant, as I said before, think a little.

[Krazed]

Jesus fucking christ, will you two fucking stop already? Sheesh.

[Screenor]

Jesus fucking christ, will you two fucking stop already? Sheesh.

Sorry he tries to be a fucking prick every time I post?

[Sidoh]

You were the only one who didn't understand, anyone else who replied to that post knew what I meant, as I said before, think a little.

Proof by example when your pool of people consists of three readers doesn't work, screenor.

Also, I completely understood it.  I simply interpreted your ambiguous statement in another (totally valid) way.

[Screenor]

You were the only one who didn't understand, anyone else who replied to that post knew what I meant, as I said before, think a little.

Proof by example when your pool of people consists of three readers doesn't work, screenor.

Also, I completely understood it.  I simply interpreted your ambiguous statement in another (totally valid) way.

That's fine if you did, what isn't fine is when you go and try to be a complete ass about something you didn't even grasp, and then turn it around on me as if I did something wrong.

[Sidoh]

That's fine if you did, what isn't fine is when you go and try to be a complete ass about something you didn't even grasp, and then turn it around on me as if I did something wrong.

There seems to be a misunderstanding.

What you said: I grasped it, I understood it, I interpreted it all with no problem.  You did do something.  You left the ambiguity of your wording to the context of your sentence, which wasn't at all clear.

[Screenor]

That's fine if you did, what isn't fine is when you go and try to be a complete ass about something you didn't even grasp, and then turn it around on me as if I did something wrong.

There seems to be a misunderstanding.

What you said: I grasped it, I understood it, I interpreted it all with no problem.  You did do something.  You left the ambiguity of your wording to the context of your sentence, which wasn't at all clear.

You obviously didn't understand it, because we're arguing about how you didn't use common sense to put two and two together.

[Sidoh]

You obviously didn't understand it, because we're arguing about how you didn't use common sense to put two and two together.

Look up the word ambiguous and come back when you have a firm understanding of its definition.  I'm done arguing with you; you're stupid to the point you either: 1) Ignore everything I say 2) Don't understand portions of the English language I used.

[Screenor]

You obviously didn't understand it, because we're arguing about how you didn't use common sense to put two and two together.

Look up the word ambiguous and come back when you have a firm understanding of its definition.  I'm done arguing with you; you're stupid to the point you either: 1) Ignore everything I say 2) Don't understand portions of the English language I used.

I understand its definition perfectly fine, the only idiot is the one trying to start worthless fights, that he's obviously wrong about, namely you. You're done arguing? Good, I win.

[Sidoh]

I understand its definition perfectly fine, the only idiot is the one trying to start worthless fights, that he's obviously wrong about, namely you. You're done arguing? Good, I win.

You don't.  I start fights because I'm bored, because you're wrong and because I'm obviously not wrong.  You've been unable to provide a single piece of evidence that compels me to believe anything you're saying is correct.

[Screenor]

You don't.  I start fights because I'm bored, because you're wrong and because I'm obviously not wrong.  You've been unable to provide a single piece of evidence that compels me to believe anything you're saying is correct.

...You're a fucking idiot.

[Sidoh]

...You're a fucking idiot.

I'm thinking the same thing about you.  The difference from our perspectives, though, is I have reason other than personal bias to believe what I do.

[Furious]

You don't.  I start fights because I'm bored, because you're wrong and because I'm obviously not wrong.  You've been unable to provide a single piece of evidence that compels me to believe anything you're saying is correct.

...You're a fucking idiot.

Is that supposed to be "...You're an fucking idiot." ?  I can't remember how that A and AN thing works ;/ but that "a" doesn't sound right.

[Screenor]

You don't.  I start fights because I'm bored, because you're wrong and because I'm obviously not wrong.  You've been unable to provide a single piece of evidence that compels me to believe anything you're saying is correct.

...You're a fucking idiot.

Is that supposed to be "...You're an fucking idiot." ?  I can't remember how that A and AN thing works ;/ but that "a" doesn't sound right.

It's "a", "an" would be used if the following letter started with a vowel.