Apparently, Slackware doesn't like Microsoft Virtual Server 2005

[MyndFyre]

So, I downloaded Slackware and created a nice, tidy VM for it.  27gb hard drive, 512MB of RAM, etc.  Popped the ISO into the virtual machine's virtual CD-ROM, and booted it up.  fdisk'd the drive and made a nice cozy 1gb swap partition and the rest designated to be the / partition.

Every time I'd go to the host system - whether it was using the ActiveX control or the VMRC client, the console thread would freeze.

Pressing right alt+del would be enough to kick it back into gear, but then, ctrl+alt+delete is the universal "I fucked up" key combination.

Any thoughts before I get pissed and go to Fedora Core?  I just want an apache and mysql server :/

[edit]And a nice GUI.[/edit]

[edit2]Slackware 10.2.[/edit2]

[iago]

Perhaps VirtualServer sucks?  Try VMWare Server, it's also free

Are you using my VMWare instance I made for you, or can I delete that?  The less I have running, the better, for obvious reasons

[Warrior]

Perhaps VirtualServer sucks?  Try VMWare Server, it's also free

Are you using my VMWare instance I made for you, or can I delete that?  The less I have running, the better, for obvious reasons

Wasn't VirtualServer made free as well?

[MyndFyre]

Perhaps VirtualServer sucks?  Try VMWare Server, it's also free

Are you using my VMWare instance I made for you, or can I delete that?  The less I have running, the better, for obvious reasons

Well, FC5 works like a charm.  Slack 10.1 never had any problems either.  *shrug*

You can delete it if you prefer.

Perhaps VirtualServer sucks?  Try VMWare Server, it's also free

Are you using my VMWare instance I made for you, or can I delete that?  The less I have running, the better, for obvious reasons

Wasn't VirtualServer made free as well?

I'm pretty sure that's why iago said "it's also free."

[Warrior]

I'm pretty sure that's why iago said "it's also free."

Oh, I interpreted it as. "Additionally, it's free" as opposed to Virtual Server not being free. :S

[iago]

Perhaps VirtualServer sucks?  Try VMWare Server, it's also free

Are you using my VMWare instance I made for you, or can I delete that?  The less I have running, the better, for obvious reasons

Wasn't VirtualServer made free as well?

Yes, which is why I said 'also free'

[Chavo]

also also wik

[Joe]

Methinks it's more of "Microsoft Virtual Server 2005 [Note: I love how he used the fully qualified name, version and all] doesn't like Slackware".

[Warrior]

Methinks it's more of "Microsoft Virtual Server 2005 [Note: I love how he used the fully qualified name, version and all] doesn't like Slackware".

It may be a mixture of both, if it works with other OSes and Slackwares the only problem it could be a slackware specific issue causing Virtual Server 2005 to bork.

[Joe]

I don't see it as below Microsoft to intentionally break compatability with Slackware, but I'm not up for debating it. But yeah, it very well could be completely legitimate as well.

[Newby]

Haha. lolz. Slackware doesn't work in my VMWare either.

[Joe]

Haha. lolz. Slackware doesn't work in my VMWare either.

Also, I seem to recall it causing some driver crashage while run in VPC a while ago. Hm!

[Warrior]

I don't see it as below Microsoft to intentionally break compatability with Slackware, but I'm not up for debating it. But yeah, it very well could be completely legitimate as well.

Microsoft will go out of it's way, in the face of bullshit from the EU and growing criticism by people to make sure that ONE Distro out of the HUNDREDS(Thousands?) of Linux distros doesn't work?

Highly improbable.

[MyndFyre]

Haha. lolz. Slackware doesn't work in my VMWare either.

Hm.  Glad I didn't waste my time trying that....

[iago]

Haha. lolz. Slackware doesn't work in my VMWare either.

Weird, it works perfectly on mine, and I've used 4 different VMWare versions (I've used Workstation, ESX, GSX, and Server) installed on a variety of hardware, I've used it on at least 7 or 8 different installs.

It'd be interesting to find out what's happening, for sure..

[iago]

Apparently VMWare is miles ahead of Virtual Server anyways. 

Note -- I haven't read the entire article, so YMMV

[Warrior]

Slightly higher disk latency, less SAN latency and slightly less ram usage doesn't seem like "Miles ahead" to me. Just another stupid article with a loaded title to get users to read it.

[Sidoh]

Slightly higher disk latency, less SAN latency and slightly less ram usage doesn't seem like "Miles ahead" to me. Just another stupid article with a loaded title to get users to read it.

VMware published tests that showed ESX Server latency at 13% when running with virtual (rather than physical) disks. Tests performed by the Australian consulting firm Capitalhead benchmarked Microsoft Virtual Server virtual hard drive latency at 28%.

That's a pretty significant difference.  I've used both (though I haven't used VPC in a while...) and I do like VMWare quite a bit more.

[Warrior]

Slightly higher disk latency, less SAN latency and slightly less ram usage doesn't seem like "Miles ahead" to me. Just another stupid article with a loaded title to get users to read it.

VMware published tests that showed ESX Server latency at 13% when running with virtual (rather than physical) disks. Tests performed by the Australian consulting firm Capitalhead benchmarked Microsoft Virtual Server virtual hard drive latency at 28%.

That's a pretty significant difference.  I've used both (though I haven't used VPC in a while...) and I do like VMWare quite a bit more.

Significant enough to call it "Miles ahead", I mean really. I liked VMWare some but I found VPC to be much more simple when I just had to get something working. VMWare is a horror for doing small things.

On the bright side, MS says they're going to put money into R&D to tighten up whatever is wrong with Virtual Server.

[iago]

I found VPC to be much more simple when I just had to get something working. VMWare is a horror for doing small things.

Details?  I've never had any issues with anything on VMWare, so I'm curious.

[Sidoh]

Significant enough to call it "Miles ahead", I mean really. I liked VMWare some but I found VPC to be much more simple when I just had to get something working. VMWare is a horror for doing small things.

No it's not... VMWare is entirely simple.  I don't think it is complicated at all.  The way they've constructed the appliacation is really intuitive.

On the bright side, MS says they're going to put money into R&D to tighten up whatever is wrong with Virtual Server.

Of course they say that.  They have the funds and they may as well throw them in areas that can use improvement!

[Warrior]

I found VPC to be much more simple when I just had to get something working. VMWare is a horror for doing small things.

Details?  I've never had any issues with anything on VMWare, so I'm curious.

For one, VMWare would hang repeatedly at the start of each VM whereas in VPC I could just create a VM profile and run.
I just found it easier for OSDeving and running any OS I needed. I found no considerable slowdown in using these OSes. If something works for me why the hell should I change it unless the gains are more than enough to warrant a change?

[iago]

For one, VMWare would hang repeatedly at the start of each VM whereas in VPC I could just create a VM profile and run.
I just found it easier for OSDeving and running any OS I needed. I found no considerable slowdown in using these OSes. If something works for me why the hell should I change it unless the gains are more than enough to warrant a change?

Nobody is asking you to change which virtual thingy you're using. 

I'm not sure what you mean by 'hang', but if you mean that it freezes up, then that's odd, since I've never had that issue.  Other than that, I haven't really seen any reasons why "VMWare is a horror for doing small things" -- I'm still curious what kinds of horrors you faced. 

[Warrior]

For one, VMWare would hang repeatedly at the start of each VM whereas in VPC I could just create a VM profile and run.
I just found it easier for OSDeving and running any OS I needed. I found no considerable slowdown in using these OSes. If something works for me why the hell should I change it unless the gains are more than enough to warrant a change?

Nobody is asking you to change which virtual thingy you're using. 

I'm not sure what you mean by 'hang', but if you mean that it freezes up, then that's odd, since I've never had that issue.  Other than that, I haven't really seen any reasons why "VMWare is a horror for doing small things" -- I'm still curious what kinds of horrors you faced. 

Didn't I just say which I faced? I'm not very attracted to having hangs while trying to do something as simple as run a small OS.

[Newby]

Haha. My product didn't cost me $120 then die on me. *cough*VPC*cough*

VMware has yet to fail me.

[iago]

Didn't I just say which I faced? I'm not very attracted to having hangs while trying to do something as simple as run a small OS.

Then instead of being a jerk about it, why don't you be more specific?  "Hangs" can mean anything from delays (minor) to complete lock-ups.  I pointed that out in my other post:

I'm not sure what you mean by 'hang', but if you mean that it freezes up, then that's odd, since I've never had that issue.

[Warrior]

Didn't I just say which I faced? I'm not very attracted to having hangs while trying to do something as simple as run a small OS.

Then instead of being a jerk about it, why don't you be more specific?  "Hangs" can mean anything from delays (minor) to complete lock-ups.  I pointed that out in my other post:

I'm not sure what you mean by 'hang', but if you mean that it freezes up, then that's odd, since I've never had that issue.

I'm not being a jerk, I was pointing it out incase you missed it. Happens sometimes.

By hang I mean that it would freeze up for a while and even become non responsive and then it would start after maybe 15 seconds.

[Joe]

VMware wasn't developed for Windows. I can almost promise on my life that Warrior is using Windows and iago using Slackware. Windows hangs, Slackware doesn't. Shocker.

[Sidoh]

VMware wasn't developed for Windows. I can almost promise on my life that Warrior is using Windows and iago using Slackware. Windows hangs, Slackware doesn't. Shocker.

Why would anyone make a virutal machine platform that is insupportive of the most prominent operating system on the planet?  VMWare hangs if the machine sucks... it's about as simple as that.  If you don't install VM Ware tools, any graphical interface is laggy.

[MyndFyre]

Haha. My product didn't cost me $120 then die on me. *cough*VPC*cough*

VMware has yet to fail me.

I've used VPC and Virtual Server.  Neither cost me anything.

[Newby]

VPC used to cost $120. When the hell did you use it?

[MyndFyre]

VPC used to cost $120. When the hell did you use it?

I dunno, it came with my MSDN subscription.

[Newby]

Ah. So you were, in a sense, paying for it. Just checking.