Question re: Constitution

[CrAz3D]

"We the People of the United States [...] do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I personally think it should apply only to US Citizens but I don't know what the rules are.

i think "the rules" are whatever the supreme court is saying at that time

[iago]

Guys, that line is saying who WROTE the constitution, and that's it!  Nothing else! 

It's exactly what me and Warrior said:

"We the People of the United States [...] do ordain and establish this Constitution[.....]"

Arguing about that line is meaningless! It's talking about the writers, not who it's for. 

If you want to argue about something, argue about the line that says, "WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"

[Sidoh]

All men are created equally, iago.  Some men are just more equal than others.

Haha, but seriously.  Are you talking about the fact that it says "men" instead of all "people?"  I think "Man" was the gender-neutral (doesn't make much sense, I know) term way back then.  "Mankind," "Manmade," etc.

[Warrior]

GOOD POINT WOMEN ARE EXEMPT FROM THE CONSTITUTION. TERRORISTS? OK.

[iago]

All men are created equally, iago.  Some men are just more equal than others.

Yeah, yeah

Haha, but seriously.  Are you talking about the fact that it says "men" instead of all "people?"  I think "Man" was the gender-neutral (doesn't make much sense, I know) term way back then.  "Mankind," "Manmade," etc.

Yeah, I have no doubt that "man" is gender-neutral in this case. 

[MyndFyre]

so "the people of the US" means?....the people that...?

The people that are here according to the laws of the US.  That can mean citizens, permanent residents, legal aliens, etc.  People who are here and are recognized by the authority vested by the sovereignty of the US.

[iago]

so "the people of the US" means?....the people that...?

The people that are here according to the laws of the US.  That can mean citizens, permanent residents, legal aliens, etc.  People who are here and are recognized by the authority vested by the sovereignty of the US.

..... and that's who the constitution was written by.  I still don't see what the point is.

[MyndFyre]

so "the people of the US" means?....the people that...?

The people that are here according to the laws of the US.  That can mean citizens, permanent residents, legal aliens, etc.  People who are here and are recognized by the authority vested by the sovereignty of the US.

..... and that's who the constitution was written by.  I still don't see what the point is.

Me neither.

[CrAz3D]

so "the people of the US" means?....the people that...?

The people that are here according to the laws of the US.  That can mean citizens, permanent residents, legal aliens, etc.  People who are here and are recognized by the authority vested by the sovereignty of the US.

so constitution doesnt apply to illegal people here, correct?

[iago]

so "the people of the US" means?....the people that...?

The people that are here according to the laws of the US.  That can mean citizens, permanent residents, legal aliens, etc.  People who are here and are recognized by the authority vested by the sovereignty of the US.

so constitution doesnt apply to illegal people here, correct?

NO!  Go back and read what I said! 

It was WRITTEN by illegal people.  WHO CARES?

[CrAz3D]

so "the people of the US" means?....the people that...?

The people that are here according to the laws of the US.  That can mean citizens, permanent residents, legal aliens, etc.  People who are here and are recognized by the authority vested by the sovereignty of the US.

so constitution doesnt apply to illegal people here, correct?

NO!  Go back and read what I said! 

Guys, that line is saying who WROTE the constitution, and that's it!  Nothing else! 

It's exactly what me and Warrior said:

"We the People of the United States [...] do ordain and establish this Constitution[.....]"

Arguing about that line is meaningless! It's talking about the writers, not who it's for. 

If you want to argue about something, argue about the line that says, "WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"

How can it be written by illegal people?
We were already a country, so we were here legally, and at the time I dont think there were restrcitions on immigration, so whomever came over was legal.

It was WRITTEN by illegal people.  WHO CARES?

So it was written by LEGAL people.

It ALSO says it was written to protect the interests of the people of the United States which to me means LEGAL people.


So far all that has been said is that people wrote the Constitution for the US (but it also says they wrote it for 'ourselves').  Also you said that it was written by illegal people, which is obviously wrong.

BUT, I'm open to how that might not work if someone can explain it, which you have not done iago.

[Sidoh]

*sigh*

[CrAz3D]

*sigh*

I'm just saying, everything everyone has pointed out to me so far is that the Constitution writers wrote it.  I'm looking at the whole phrase about whether or not the Constitutional writers wrote it for EVERYONE or just the people of the United States like it says.

iago said to go back & read what he wrote, he didn't address what I'm asking.

[Sidoh]

Person 1 200 years ago: "The sky is blue."
Person 2: "WHICH sky is blue?"

That's pretty much what you're doing.  They said they wrote it for the people of the US, and I'm pretty sure that's what they meant.

[iago]

Ok, let me explain this again.  In fact, let me translate your quote to modern english, maybe it would help:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

- We are the people of the US
- We want to form a more perfect union, and a bunch of other good stuff
- So we're establishing this constution for the United States of America


Where, in your quote, does it say that it's FOR the people of the USA?