Bush Poll results (confuse me)

[CrAz3D]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/25/poll.bush/index.html

So why is his approval rating so low?  Are people judging him soley based on Iraq?
After reading that little article I'd think that Bush's ratings would be fairly decent instead of as low as they currently are.
I spose it is just the media skewing and influencing the public is what is happening.

[dark_drake]

No, I'm sure people are judging him based on Iraq, social security, Katrina, and the Patriot Act. 

[deadly7]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/25/poll.bush/index.html

So why is his approval rating so low?  Are people judging him soley based on Iraq?
After reading that little article I'd think that Bush's ratings would be fairly decent instead of as low as they currently are.
I spose it is just the media skewing and influencing the public is what is happening.

I wouldn't trust CNN.com to analyze my toenail for fungi, and I'd trust them even less when it comes to news.  I hate CNN in every way, shape, or form.

On-topic: his approval rating is low because his administration, more or less, sucks as a whole.  There have been some intelligence scandals, and people get peeved when a terrorist is inquired improperly.  Also, people are stupid and easily influenced by the media.

[Armin]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/25/poll.bush/index.html

So why is his approval rating so low?  Are people judging him soley based on Iraq?
After reading that little article I'd think that Bush's ratings would be fairly decent instead of as low as they currently are.
I spose it is just the media skewing and influencing the public is what is happening.

People who vote on CNN's website are most likely regular watchers of the CNN program, meaning they'll have the same biased point of view as CNN. You can only expect the same out of a poll that only 1,000 people took part in.

[CrAz3D]

No, I'm sure people are judging him based on Iraq, social security, Katrina, and the Patriot Act. 

Iraq, yes.

Social Security...nothing is really happening thats in the news there
Katrina...not even his thing, except him hating black people...I guess?
Patriot Act...people are showing LOTS of support for that, it seems.  Some people think it should go farther

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/25/poll.bush/index.html

So why is his approval rating so low?  Are people judging him soley based on Iraq?
After reading that little article I'd think that Bush's ratings would be fairly decent instead of as low as they currently are.
I spose it is just the media skewing and influencing the public is what is happening.

I wouldn't trust CNN.com to analyze my toenail for fungi, and I'd trust them even less when it comes to news.  I hate CNN in every way, shape, or form.

On-topic: his approval rating is low because his administration, more or less, sucks as a whole.  There have been some intelligence scandals, and people get peeved when a terrorist is inquired improperly.  Also, people are stupid and easily influenced by the media.

Agreed on both counts, however, CNN is generally a liberal media program that spins stuff leftward, why would they want to make Bush look good when they spend so much time & money making him look bad?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/25/poll.bush/index.html

So why is his approval rating so low?  Are people judging him soley based on Iraq?
After reading that little article I'd think that Bush's ratings would be fairly decent instead of as low as they currently are.
I spose it is just the media skewing and influencing the public is what is happening.

People who vote on CNN's website are most likely regular watchers of the CNN program, meaning they'll have the same biased point of view as CNN. You can only expect the same out of a poll that only 1,000 people took part in.

I think it was a telephone poll by Opinion Research Corp.

Interviews with 1,013 adult Americans conducted by telephone by Opinion Research Corp. on October 20-22, 2006.

[MyndFyre]

No, I'm sure people are judging him based on Iraq, social security, Katrina, and the Patriot Act. 

Iraq, yes.

Social Security...nothing is really happening thats in the news there
Katrina...not even his thing, except him hating black people...I guess?
Patriot Act...people are showing LOTS of support for that, it seems.  Some people think it should go farther

As for Katrina, the common libby scuttlebutt is that FEMA could have reacted better.  Of course, the dumbfuck governor of Louisiana could have told people to get out, too, when Bush said to.

What the real bad news for Bush is that the economy is going to shit.  I mean, energy prices are down, and the Dow just hit barely over 12,000.  We're going to hell with the economy.

[iago]

Patriot Act...people are showing LOTS of support for that, it seems.  Some people think it should go farther

I know a lot of people who are scared by the PATRIOT act.  Giving a government huge amounts of power is rarely a good thing to do.

[CrAz3D]

Patriot Act...people are showing LOTS of support for that, it seems.  Some people think it should go farther

I know a lot of people who are scared by the PATRIOT act.  Giving a government huge amounts of power is rarely a good thing to do.

According to the poll, 65% of Americans support Bush in what he's done with security.  24% of them think he could do more.
...so, uh, looks like most people are lovin on those parts of the PATRIOT Act that say "we can look at you"

[dark_drake]

Just because people think he's doing well in one area doesn't mean they approve of him overall. Sure, people might like what he's done with security, but what about his stance on immigration? If a person doesn't agree with W. on most of the important issues, chances are they're not going to approve of him overall in any poll.

[Hitmen]

According to the poll, 65% of Americans support Bush in what he's done with security.  24% of them think he could do more.
...so, uh, looks like most people are lovin on those parts of the PATRIOT Act that say "we can look at you"

How many of those people have heard of the PATRIOT act? Out of those, how many actually knows what it empowers the government to do? I would guess a very very small number.

[iago]

According to the poll, 65% of Americans support Bush in what he's done with security.  24% of them think he could do more.
...so, uh, looks like most people are lovin on those parts of the PATRIOT Act that say "we can look at you"

How many of those people have heard of the PATRIOT act? Out of those, how many actually knows what it empowers the government to do? I would guess a very very small number.

Well, according to surveys, oer 50% of people don't know much about it:

Date                           A Lot     Some     Not Much     Nothing
25 August-26 August 2003        10%       40%       25%          25%
10 November-12 November 2003    12%       41%       25%          22%
16 February-17 February 2004    13%       46%       27%          14%
13 April-16 April 2005          13%       28%       28%          29%

<edit> oh yeah, the source for that, as well as 200 other polls, is here. 
<edit2> disclaimer: I think that statistics about how good or bad the government is doing are stupid, because the average person is stupid/ignorant.  So I wouldn't put much faith in the numbers you see there.  The poll I posted is the only kind of poll I really trust.

[CrAz3D]

The poll I posted is the only kind of poll I really trust.

lol

[Sidoh]

Just because people think he's doing well in one area doesn't mean they approve of him overall. Sure, people might like what he's done with security, but what about his stance on immigration? If a person doesn't agree with W. on most of the important issues, chances are they're not going to approve of him overall in any poll.

Yep, I think that's exactly the reason.

I don't understand why you'd expect to see a dirrect corolation between a specific poll such as this one and the overall approval ratings.

[iago]

The poll I posted is the only kind of poll I really trust.

lol

I don't know if you're trying to make fun or not, but it's logical. 

If you ask somebody, "how much do you know about xxx", odds are they'll give you a useful answer, because I know how much I know about most things.

If you ask somebody, "do you support xxx" or "is xxx a good idea" or "is xxx working?", odds are you'll get a biased or just plain wrong answer, because they may or may not know all the facts.  I expect that less than half the people in the world can provide a useful answer to half the questions of that style. 

[CrAz3D]

The poll I posted is the only kind of poll I really trust.

lol

I don't know if you're trying to make fun or not, but it's logical. 

If you ask somebody, "how much do you know about xxx", odds are they'll give you a useful answer, because I know how much I know about most things.

If you ask somebody, "do you support xxx" or "is xxx a good idea" or "is xxx working?", odds are you'll get a biased or just plain wrong answer, because they may or may not know all the facts.  I expect that less than half the people in the world can provide a useful answer to half the questions of that style. 

asking someone if they support something is a yes/no question, as is asking them whether or not they feel educated about a subject (even then they might feel educated but in reality might not be)

[leet_muffin]

No, I'm sure people are judging him based on Iraq, social security, Katrina, and the Patriot Act. 

Come on, drake, be realistic. People in America aren't influenced by policies, or reactions to national disasters, they're attracted to personal characteristics. =)

[rabbit]

I did a group report in 10th grade (2ish years ago) about policy in Iraq.  We spoke to FCNL (Friends League on National Legislation) and The Heritage Foundation.  Both said most congressmen didn't even bother to read the whole USAPATRIOT act (it was 250ish pages), and cast their vote based soley on the abstract, which was something along the lines of "giving the government the appropriate tools to combat terrorism in the US", but never actually listed the tools.  Kind of interesting, and it also pissed me off that the people running the country completely don't care about everything they pass into law.

[CrAz3D]

I did a group report in 10th grade (2ish years ago) about policy in Iraq.  We spoke to FCNL (Friends League on National Legislation) and The Heritage Foundation.  Both said most congressmen didn't even bother to read the whole USAPATRIOT act (it was 250ish pages), and cast their vote based soley on the abstract, which was something along the lines of "giving the government the appropriate tools to combat terrorism in the US", but never actually listed the tools.  Kind of interesting, and it also pissed me off that the people running the country completely don't care about everything they pass into law.

I think Congress works like that.  Most people never read the whole thing, they're just informed by other people on the general concepts.  Passing laws would take even longer than it does now if everyone read everything.

[iago]

asking someone if they support something is a yes/no question, as is asking them whether or not they feel educated about a subject (even then they might feel educated but in reality might not be)

Yeah, but who cares if they support something?  It's not like they're educated about it.  Sure, you get the number of people who think something's right, but that number means nothing. 

[CrAz3D]

asking someone if they support something is a yes/no question, as is asking them whether or not they feel educated about a subject (even then they might feel educated but in reality might not be)

Yeah, but who cares if they support something?  It's not like they're educated about it.  Sure, you get the number of people who think something's right, but that number means nothing. 

because thats the only way we can actually judge a person's feelings on the subject...whether or not they're actually educated changes with the point of view of whomever says that a person is educated...its still open to intrepretation

[iago]

because thats the only way we can actually judge a person's feelings on the subject...whether or not they're actually educated changes with the point of view of whomever says that a person is educated...its still open to intrepretation

Yeah, but most people are stupid, so I don't care what they think

[dark_drake]

Come on, drake, be realistic. People in America aren't influenced by policies, or reactions to national disasters, they're attracted to personal characteristics. =)

I know, and I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids.

[CrAz3D]

because thats the only way we can actually judge a person's feelings on the subject...whether or not they're actually educated changes with the point of view of whomever says that a person is educated...its still open to intrepretation

Yeah, but most people are stupid, so I don't care what they think

true, but you should care...because...most people = a majority.  and with the majority (should) come a direction in which things go

[Sidoh]

... *sigh*

[iago]

because thats the only way we can actually judge a person's feelings on the subject...whether or not they're actually educated changes with the point of view of whomever says that a person is educated...its still open to intrepretation

Yeah, but most people are stupid, so I don't care what they think

true, but you should care...because...most people = a majority.  and with the majority (should) come a direction in which things go

Just because there's more of them, doesn't mean they're right.  People are easily tricked. 

Reminds me of Stephan Cobert, "More than 50% of people believe in God, so do you believe in God, or do you hate democracy?"

[rabbit]

Stephen Colbert

[iago]

Stephen Colbert

Sorry, I knew that by I was typing fast and missed a letter.

[rabbit]

2 letters

[CrAz3D]

because thats the only way we can actually judge a person's feelings on the subject...whether or not they're actually educated changes with the point of view of whomever says that a person is educated...its still open to intrepretation

Yeah, but most people are stupid, so I don't care what they think

true, but you should care...because...most people = a majority.  and with the majority (should) come a direction in which things go

Just because there's more of them, doesn't mean they're right.  People are easily tricked. 

Reminds me of Stephan Cobert, "More than 50% of people believe in God, so do you believe in God, or do you hate democracy?"

Of course it doesnt, but it means that things generally go their way

[Super_X]

because thats the only way we can actually judge a person's feelings on the subject...whether or not they're actually educated changes with the point of view of whomever says that a person is educated...its still open to intrepretation

Yeah, but most people are stupid, so I don't care what they think

true, but you should care...because...most people = a majority.  and with the majority (should) come a direction in which things go

Just because there's more of them, doesn't mean they're right.  People are easily tricked. 

Reminds me of Stephan Cobert, "More than 50% of people believe in God, so do you believe in God, or do you hate democracy?"

Of course it doesnt, but it means that things generally go their way

I don't tink you understood the joke..

[CrAz3D]

because thats the only way we can actually judge a person's feelings on the subject...whether or not they're actually educated changes with the point of view of whomever says that a person is educated...its still open to intrepretation

Yeah, but most people are stupid, so I don't care what they think

true, but you should care...because...most people = a majority.  and with the majority (should) come a direction in which things go

Just because there's more of them, doesn't mean they're right.  People are easily tricked. 

Reminds me of Stephan Cobert, "More than 50% of people believe in God, so do you believe in God, or do you hate democracy?"

Of course it doesnt, but it means that things generally go their way

I don't tink you understood the joke..

I wasnt talking about the joke, I was just responding to the first part of his post