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That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2006, 08:50:43 am »
hmmmm that doesn't sound too safe.  :P

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2006, 10:16:05 am »
It's just as safe as a hepititus vaccine. I can tell you I've been vaccinated for it, like 20 (exageration) shots over the period of two years, and as far as I know I haven't died yet.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2006, 12:16:05 pm »
It's just as safe as a hepititus vaccine. I can tell you I've been vaccinated for it, like 20 (exageration) shots over the period of two years, and as far as I know I haven't died yet.

You can't say that beyond any form of speculation.  They've tested it on five people.  That hardly allows anyone to deem it as "safe."  That's why its still in testing.  If it worked miracles, they wouldn't continue testing it.

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2006, 12:46:50 pm »
Incidentally, this isn't an ordinary vaccine, like your hepepatitus shots (or other vaccinations we get).  If you read the article, it says that they genetically engineered a strain of AIDS that can fight other AIDS viruses. 

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2006, 12:49:13 pm »
Incidentally, this isn't an ordinary vaccine, like your hepepatitus shots (or other vaccinations we get).  If you read the article, it says that they genetically engineered a strain of AIDS that can fight other AIDS viruses. 

Exactly the other reason I was saving up for the potential debate (it'd be short lived, I hope!).

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2006, 03:20:39 pm »
hmmmm that doesn't sound too safe.  :P
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2006, 03:26:13 pm »
hmmmm that doesn't sound too safe.  :P
In Star Trek: Voyager, they used Borg nanoprobes to fight off a virus at least once.
Borg nanoprobes were like a Deus Ex Machina -- when there's no hope left, they can reprogram nanoprobes to do anything.  Medicine, weapon, etc.

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2006, 05:44:24 pm »
This makes perfect sense.  I just hope that it works out well.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2006, 05:46:11 pm »
They could make up some bogas treatment for cancer that makes perfect sense to the uneducated person; that doesn't mean it's going to work or that it's even a viable proposal for a treatment.

I think you should treat AIDS, AntiVirus. ;D

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2006, 07:13:00 pm »
Well, if genetically altered AIDS can fight AIDS, why can't it fight cancer too?

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2006, 07:56:03 pm »
Incidentally, this isn't an ordinary vaccine, like your hepepatitus shots (or other vaccinations we get).  If you read the article, it says that they genetically engineered a strain of AIDS that can fight other AIDS viruses. 

Oh. I was going to assume the opposite in counter to Sidoh's post, but I guess I'm wrong. Oops! :)
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2006, 08:03:12 pm »
Well, if genetically altered AIDS can fight AIDS, why can't it fight cancer too?
Well, the first reason that comes to mind is that cancer isn't a virus, so it would be completely different. 

The second reason is probably because of how it's made, it's likely very special-purpose..

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2006, 08:38:33 pm »
Well, if genetically altered AIDS can fight AIDS, why can't it fight cancer too?

Exactly as iago said: cancer isn't a virus.  It's a strain of cells that have mutated in such a way that the mechanism which "aborts" duplication during mitosis if any genetic mutation is "detected" is dysfunctional.

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2006, 10:08:53 pm »
Incidentally, this isn't an ordinary vaccine, like your hepepatitus shots (or other vaccinations we get).  If you read the article, it says that they genetically engineered a strain of AIDS that can fight other AIDS viruses. 

I wouldn't really even consider it a vaccine. A vaccine prevents disease while an antidote cures a disease.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2006, 12:35:16 am »
They could make up some bogas treatment for cancer that makes perfect sense to the uneducated person; that doesn't mean it's going to work or that it's even a viable proposal for a treatment.

I think you should treat AIDS, AntiVirus. ;D
I know they can make up some bogas treatment, that's why I said, "I just hope it works out well".   And as for me treating AIDS, I am already on it!  I have so already come up with strans of DNA that if implemented in children at birth, they are amune to AIDS. 

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2006, 12:42:54 am »
They could make up some bogas treatment for cancer that makes perfect sense to the uneducated person; that doesn't mean it's going to work or that it's even a viable proposal for a treatment.

I think you should treat AIDS, AntiVirus. ;D
I know they can make up some bogas treatment, that's why I said, "I just hope it works out well".   And as for me treating AIDS, I am already on it!  I have so already come up with strans of DNA that if implemented in children at birth, they are amune to AIDS. 

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http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Placebo

The placebo pill. A piece of chocolate! Take this, it'll cure your cold.

The effect is that you trust doctors, and that what the doctor will say is right (you trust him), so you mentally get rid of the cold. It's cool. :)
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2006, 12:48:33 am »
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Placebo

The placebo pill. A piece of chocolate! Take this, it'll cure your cold.

The effect is that you trust doctors, and that what the doctor will say is right (you trust him), so you mentally get rid of the cold. It's cool. :)

I'm very confident that everyone here knows what a placebo is and what is implied when it "works."

I don't know why you brought this up.  AIDS and cancer are hugely destructive illnesses.  Injecting a false sense of optimism will never directly cure them.

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2006, 01:00:34 am »
You have cancer cells, and I have cancer cells. Cancer is simply deformed cells. "Cancer", the un-normal disease, develops when those cancer cells overpower the non-cancer cells and everything starts becomming deformed. In minor cancer a false sense of optimism could indeed encourage you to kill enough cancer to get over it, but other than that, yes.

And I wasn't sure if AntiVirus knew what a placebo was. I kinda suck at knowing what things are common knowledge or not, as I would definately consider myself to know some things beyond common knowledge.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2006, 01:12:39 am »
You have cancer cells, and I have cancer cells. Cancer is simply deformed cells. "Cancer", the un-normal disease, develops when those cancer cells overpower the non-cancer cells and everything starts becomming deformed. In minor cancer a false sense of optimism could indeed encourage you to kill enough cancer to get over it, but other than that, yes.

And I wasn't sure if AntiVirus knew what a placebo was. I kinda suck at knowing what things are common knowledge or not, as I would definately consider myself to know some things beyond common knowledge.

There are times that I question your intelligence, Joe.  This is one of those times.

A cancerous cell is not any cell with some arbitrary mutation.  As I already stated, it's a cell with a mutation of any gene responsible for a protein that controls cellular mitosis:

Exactly as iago said: cancer isn't a virus.  It's a strain of cells that have mutated in such a way that the mechanism which "aborts" duplication during mitosis if any genetic mutation is "detected"

And as wikipedia will confirm, you're wrong.

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The unregulated growth that characterizes cancer is caused by damage to DNA, resulting in mutations to genes that encode for proteins controlling cell division. Many mutation events may be required to transform a normal cell into a malignant cell. These mutations can be caused by chemicals or physical agents called carcinogens, by close exposure to radioactive materials, or by certain viruses that can insert their DNA into the human genome. Mutations occur spontaneously, and may be passed down from one generation to the next as a result of mutations within germ lines.

Simply making a person believe they can defeat cancer by the mere implantation of the idea that it's possible doesn't mean that cancerous cells will spontaneously begin to perish or cease reproducing.  I said "directly" for a reason.  Lance Armstrong defeated cancer because he physically strained himself while he was diagnosed (there's further medical explanation for the reason it disappeared, but I don't think anyone here is qualified to attempt to guess what it is), not because he was telling cancer to beat it.

Like I said, I would be surprised if anyone here didn't know what a placebo is.

Incidentally, this isn't an ordinary vaccine, like your hepepatitus shots (or other vaccinations we get).  If you read the article, it says that they genetically engineered a strain of AIDS that can fight other AIDS viruses. 

I wouldn't really even consider it a vaccine. A vaccine prevents disease while an antidote cures a disease.

Antidotes treat poisoning, not any and every form of illness.  They are generally created by injecting an animal with the substance (ie, cobra venom) and extracting antibodies from the animal's blood.  If you inject foreign antibodies into an immune system, it will help fight off the poison, but that doesn't mean they've become eternally immune to the toxin.  The antibodies don't stay in the blood forever; they'll eventually flush out.  Antidotes are immediate treatments for dire cases of poisoning.

A vaccine is a weakend, dead or inactive dose of microorganisms.  It is used to stimulate the production of antibodies in a patient, which hopefully leads to immunity against the specific strain of microorganism that the vaccination targets.

You're right that the idea behind this is far from the inner works of a vaccine (which is what I think iago was saying in the first place...), but your reasoning and clarification was utter nonsense.  If anything, you confused the two terms.  Even then, though, you still need to remember that antidotes specifically treat poisons.

This is neither an antidote nor a vaccine.  It's a treatment.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2006, 06:31:08 am »
I think I was misunderstood, but the arguments against what I said still make sense.  AIDS vs Cancer, not Cancer vs Cancer.  Anyway, I think that one of the reasons Armstrong doesn't have cancer anymore is that he had the cancerous cells surgically removed.

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2006, 09:00:38 am »
Incidentally, this isn't an ordinary vaccine, like your hepepatitus shots (or other vaccinations we get).  If you read the article, it says that they genetically engineered a strain of AIDS that can fight other AIDS viruses. 

I wouldn't really even consider it a vaccine. A vaccine prevents disease while an antidote cures a disease.

Antidotes treat poisoning, not any and every form of illness.  They are generally created by injecting an animal with the substance (ie, cobra venom) and extracting antibodies from the animal's blood.  If you inject foreign antibodies into an immune system, it will help fight off the poison, but that doesn't mean they've become eternally immune to the toxin.  The antibodies don't stay in the blood forever; they'll eventually flush out.  Antidotes are immediate treatments for dire cases of poisoning.

A vaccine is a weakend, dead or inactive dose of microorganisms.  It is used to stimulate the production of antibodies in a patient, which hopefully leads to immunity against the specific strain of microorganism that the vaccination targets.

You're right that the idea behind this is far from the inner works of a vaccine (which is what I think iago was saying in the first place...), but your reasoning and clarification was utter nonsense.  If anything, you confused the two terms.  Even then, though, you still need to remember that antidotes specifically treat poisons.

This is neither an antidote nor a vaccine.  It's a treatment.
It's not that I mixed them up, it's just my definition for antidote was wrong. I was basically trying to get across the idea that this is not a vaccine, which I did fine in.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2006, 11:23:23 am »
I think I was misunderstood, but the arguments against what I said still make sense.  AIDS vs Cancer, not Cancer vs Cancer.  Anyway, I think that one of the reasons Armstrong doesn't have cancer anymore is that he had the cancerous cells surgically removed.

I don't think that was fully possible.

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On October 2, 1996, Armstrong was diagnosed with stage three testicular cancer that had metastasized, spreading to his lungs, abdomen, and brain. His doctors told him that he had less than a 40 percent chance of survival. After his recovery, one of his doctors told him that his actual odds of survival had been considerably smaller (one even went as far as to say three percent), and that he had been given the estimate primarily to give him hope.

sure, you can remove tumors, but that doesn't mean every single cancerous growth was gone.

The proposed idea is that mutated AIDS viruses are combatting and killing other AIDS viruses, not cells.  Cancer and AIDS are nothing alike.  AIDS targets cells of the immune system.  Cancer is potentially present in any type of cell in the body.

It's not that I mixed them up, it's just my definition for antidote was wrong. I was basically trying to get across the idea that this is not a vaccine, which I did fine in.

Vaccines attempt to instill immunity.  Antidotes are a temporary remedy.  You said the opposite.

And no, the only thing you did was say this isn't "really" a vaccine.  You proved nothing.
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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2006, 05:23:03 pm »
It's not that I mixed them up, it's just my definition for antidote was wrong. I was basically trying to get across the idea that this is not a vaccine, which I did fine in.

Vaccines attempt to instill immunity.  Antidotes are a temporary remedy.  You said the opposite.

And no, the only thing you did was say this isn't "really" a vaccine.
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I wouldn't really even consider it a vaccine. A vaccine prevents disease while an antidote cures a disease.
Instilling immunity is preventing the disease from occurring.
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You proved nothing.
Even if I didn't happen to prove anything, you wouldn't need to be a complete fucking jackass about it. Like I told rabbit earlier, get over whatever the fuck you have against me.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2006, 05:26:35 pm »
You didn't prove anything.  I don't care if you think my corrections make me a jackass nor do I care if you think I have anything against you.

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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2006, 05:31:14 pm »
You didn't prove anything.
I proved that this treatment is not a vaccine, because vaccines prevent diseases while this treatment is used to fight the disease. If I did not prove that, then feel free to show how I didn't.
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I don't care if you think my corrections make me a jackass nor do I care if you think I have anything against you.
Think to yourself, if iago said exactly what I said, would you still say the exact same thing back? No. I'm not even sure if you don't like me personally, possibly just because I don't have as power like you. Anyways, I know you don't like, and you know I don't like you. Cut the crap.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2006, 05:38:02 pm »
I proved that this treatment is not a vaccine, because vaccines prevent diseases while this treatment is use to fight the disease. If I did not prove that, then feel free to show how I didn't.

Your lack of knowledge in this area proved that you were incapable of proving that this wasn't a vaccine.  How can you prove something is or is not a vaccine when you don't know what a vaccine is?  You stated that it is not a vaccine, but your reasoning was highly fallable.

Think to yourself, if iago said exactly what I said, would you still say the exact same thing back? No. I'm not even sure if you don't like me personally, possibly just because I don't have as power like you. Anyways, I know you don't like, and you know I don't like you. Cut the crap.

It's much more impersonal than that.  I don't like idiots or idiotic ideas.  Power has absolutely nothing to do with it.  If someone else that I was more friendly with would have said the same thing, my reaction would have been less volatile, but it would have been equally solid.

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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2006, 06:00:49 pm »
I proved that this treatment is not a vaccine, because vaccines prevent diseases while this treatment is use to fight the disease. If I did not prove that, then feel free to show how I didn't.

Your lack of knowledge in this area proved that you were incapable of proving that this wasn't a vaccine.  How can you prove something is or is not a vaccine when you don't know what a vaccine is?  You stated that it is not a vaccine, but your reasoning was highly fallable.
It's not that I mixed them up, it's just my definition for antidote was wrong. I was basically trying to get across the idea that this is not a vaccine, which I did fine in.
I wasn't trying to prove anything, yet I was simply casually contributing to the conversation by giving the idea out that this treatment is not a vaccine, which once again, I did fine in. I also don't know how many times I've said this, yet I never gave out a false definition of what a vaccine is. Yes, I didn't give out the right definition antidote, but that was barely relevant to what I said.
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Think to yourself, if iago said exactly what I said, would you still say the exact same thing back? No. I'm not even sure if you don't like me personally, possibly just because I don't have as power like you. Anyways, I know you don't like, and you know I don't like you. Cut the crap.

It's much more impersonal than that.  I don't like idiots or idiotic ideas.
...My idea was solid, I just mixed up the definition of "antidote" with something else.
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Power has absolutely nothing to do with it.  If someone else that I was more friendly with would have said the same thing, my reaction would have been less volatile, but it would have been equally solid.
That's exactly what I was saying, and most people would consider that habit to be a huge flaw in a person's character.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2006, 06:15:03 pm »
I wasn't trying to prove anything, yet I was simply casually contributing to the conversation by giving the idea out that this treatment is not a vaccine, which once again, I did fine in. I also don't know how many times I've said this, yet I never gave out a false definition of what a vaccine is. Yes, I didn't give out the right definition antidote, but that was barely relevant to what I said.

You implied that this treatment is an antidote, which it is clearly not.  I think it's fully relevant to what you were saying.


...My idea was solid, I just mixed up the definition of "antidote" with something else.

No, it was a false statement which, coincidentally, happened to have one member which was true: "this is not a vaccine."

That's exactly what I was saying, and most people would consider that habit to be a huge flaw in a person's character.

I don't care (nor do I think I should care) about your completely subjective view of what you or anyone else consider "good" in a person's character.

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2006, 06:16:48 pm »
Think to yourself, if iago said exactly what I said, would you still say the exact same thing back? No. I'm not even sure if you don't like me personally, possibly just because I don't have as power like you. Anyways, I know you don't like, and you know I don't like you. Cut the crap.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2006, 09:28:48 pm »
Incidentally, ...


Incidentally, I've noticed that you use the word incidentally rather often.

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2006, 09:31:05 pm »
I wasn't trying to prove anything, yet I was simply casually contributing to the conversation by giving the idea out that this treatment is not a vaccine, which once again, I did fine in. I also don't know how many times I've said this, yet I never gave out a false definition of what a vaccine is. Yes, I didn't give out the right definition antidote, but that was barely relevant to what I said.

You implied that this treatment is an antidote, which it is clearly not.  I think it's fully relevant to what you were saying.


...My idea was solid, I just mixed up the definition of "antidote" with something else.

No, it was a false statement which, coincidentally, happened to have one member which was true: "this is not a vaccine."
Well, after looking up the definition of antidote, I've discovered the following: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/antidote
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1.   a medicine or other remedy for counteracting the effects of poison, disease, etc.
That's right, jackass. Call me an idiot, call my ideas idiotic, and call my reasoning fallible, when you don't even know what you're talking about. And don't say anything like "don't be too cocky now," because you brought this upon yourself by being an ass to me for making a mistake. I feel it's only right to return the same hospitality.
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That's exactly what I was saying, and most people would consider that habit to be a huge flaw in a person's character.

I don't care (nor do I think I should care) about your completely subjective view of what you or anyone else consider "good" in a person's character.
Which is another flaw. If you don't consider anyone else's opinion on a subject, you'll never improve some of the areas that could need improvement.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2006, 09:34:50 pm »
You didn't prove anything.
I proved that this treatment is not a vaccine, because vaccines prevent diseases while this treatment is used to fight the disease. If I did not prove that, then feel free to show how I didn't.

...And how do you think vaccines prevent diseases? 

All of you need to calm down, and then take a first year biology course :P.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2006, 09:37:10 pm »
I was simply summing it up. I know a vaccine infects you with an incredibly weak strain of the disease, and your body makes antibodies to further protect yourself from the disease in future endeavors. If you want to sum it up, this prevents the disease on a full-blown effect.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2006, 10:23:39 pm »
Well, after looking up the definition of antidote, I've discovered the following: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/antidote
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1.   a medicine or other remedy for counteracting the effects of poison, disease, etc.
That's right, jackass. Call me an idiot, call my ideas idiotic, and call my reasoning fallible, when you don't even know what you're talking about. And don't say anything like "don't be too cocky now," because you brought this upon yourself by being an ass to me for making a mistake. I feel it's only right to return the same hospitality.

http://m-w.com/dictionary/antidote
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Main Entry: an·ti·dote
Pronunciation: 'an-ti-"dOt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English antidot, from Latin antidotum, from Greek antidotos, from feminine of antidotos given as an antidote, from antididonai to give as an antidote, from anti- + didonai to give -- more at DATE
1 : a remedy to counteract the effects of poison

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=antidote
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S: (n) antidote, counterpoison (a remedy that stops or controls the effects of a poison)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidote
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An antidote is a substance which can counteract a form of poisoning.

http://www.ees.adelaide.edu.au/icooper/glossary/a.htm
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A substance which counteracts a poison.

http://jced.jocogov.org/investigations/inv_definitions.htm
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A remedy to relieve, prevent, or counteract the effects of a poison.

Moron.

Which is another flaw. If you don't consider anyone else's opinion on a subject, you'll never improve some of the areas that could need improvement.

You're providing more subjective advice with even less factual reasoning.  I don't care what you think.  Stop whining about it.

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2006, 10:54:26 pm »
Not only does the word "antidote" publicly have the connotation of being associated with a disease (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=antidote+disease&btnG=Search), a few dictionaries have included it in their definition (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/antidote). Words change, like I believe this has. I stand by everything I've said.
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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2006, 11:07:57 pm »
Not only does the word "antidote" publicly have the connotation of being associated with a disease (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=antidote+disease&btnG=Search), a few dictionaries have included it in their definition (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/antidote). Words change, like I believe this has. I stand by everything I've said.

You can type two words that are completely unrelated into google and still get results.  It proves nothing.

Context means everything.  Since this entire topic is related to medicine, showing that you can validly the word "antidote" in a context that has been removed from any sort of medical situation doesn't mean that you're right.

Here's a few definitions from medical sources:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=13669
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A chemical antidote is a substance that unites with a poison to form a harmless chemical compound. A mechanical antidote is a substance that prevents the absorption of a poison from the intestine into the body.

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An agent used to neutralize or counteract the effects of a poison

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Re: What can beat AIDS? AIDS!
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2006, 11:10:11 pm »
Not only does the word "antidote" publicly have the connotation of being associated with a disease (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=antidote+disease&btnG=Search), a few dictionaries have included it in their definition (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/antidote). Words change, like I believe this has. I stand by everything I've said.
Also, Metal, if you read all of the definations, there's only that one that says "disease," the others say poison or some shit about youth.