Kramer loses it! (Black people are involved.)

[CrAz3D]

Now that I think of it....did they ever apologize to him for heckling him???

[trust]

No, they don't have to. They're black.

It's not like the white people ever apologized for slavery...

Oh wait.

[d&q]

I'm going to assume that you're not quite that stupid and ask you simple question. Have you ever thought that maybe those guys acted like jackasses not because they were black but because they were...jackasses? I know, I know, its a revolutionary idea, but give it time to sink in and maybe it'll permeate through your stereotypical barriers.

[Warrior]

Yea those mean old black people who's ancestors were forced into slavery are soo cruel to those poor poor white people.

You know what?  This is pure unadulterated bullshit. 

My relatives had nothing to do with the slave trade.  My great-grandfather came here to escape the Bolshevik Revolution and had his name changed from "Kostikovich" to "Smith."  My grandfather came here from Germany about 3 years before World War II and went to war against the Nazis, and was part of D-Day.  I'm a third-generation American, none of my immigrant ancestors had money nor were they from imperialist countries involved in the slave trade.

Furthermore, nobody living today has been a slave, nor have they been slavers.  I've never been a slaver.  I've never tried to make someone a slave.  (Well, except that one girl that one night...).  The fact of the matter is, I have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about.  And I don't care what it is that you say, there's nothing that you can do that will make me feel guilty.  Sure, it was shitty that Africans were sold out by their own people and enslaved by a bunch of people.  Yeah, that's really shitty.  But it's certainly nothing that in any way has anything at all to do with me.

Finally, I think it's pretty fucking annoying when people try to make me feel guilty about it.  Guess what - I have the right to speak my mind in any manner I choose.  Free speech doesn't mean that I can say whatever I want, but it means that I have the right to express my ideas and opinions free of persecution.  It means that I should have the right to say whatever I want without offending anyone, because, quite frankly, being offended doesn't make you tangibly hurt.  There is no physical damage, and the offense you perceived was actually only offensive because you have perceived it that way.

Sorry if I sound annoyed and pissed off about this kind of discussion.  It's because these kinds of things piss me off.  I don't have white guilt.  Deal.

k cool. For one, I never even stated your ancestors did anything. I really don't care.

The fact of the matter is, they were enslaved by white people in the United States and had pretty horrible things done to them. They weren't even treated fairly until the Civil Rights movement.

I don't care how you try to justify this, they are still hurt from all of this and still extremely paranoid. Hell, most Americans still think of it as a touchy subject they try to sweep under the rug.

So compared to people who's ancestors have been enslaved by their own people and then by their own country, you're just whining because you get beat up for uttering one word around a black person?

My opinion? Cry more.

[trust]

I'm going to assume that you're not quite that stupid and ask you simple question. Have you ever thought that maybe those guys acted like jackasses not because they were black but because they were...jackasses? I know, I know, its a revolutionary idea, but give it time to sink in and maybe it'll permeate through your stereotypical barriers.

What I'm saying is that their remarks were just as racist.

k cool. For one, I never even stated your ancestors did anything. I really don't care.

The fact of the matter is, they were enslaved by white people in the United States and had pretty horrible things done to them. They weren't even treated fairly until the Civil Rights movement.

I don't care how you try to justify this, they are still hurt from all of this and still extremely paranoid. Hell, most Americans still think of it as a touchy subject they try to sweep under the rug.

So compared to people who's ancestors have been enslaved by their own people and then by their own country, you're just whining because you get beat up for uttering one word around a black person?

My opinion? Cry more.

Find me one person who was a slave in America. (I don't mean somebody who was like a sex slave or something else, I mean slave as defined by the image you get when thinking of a Southern plantation during the Civil War) You won't find any, because they're dead. How are these people hurt? They aren't, they just use it as leverage to get what they want. I agree with MyndFyre, I feel no remorse and no guilt for what happened. I wasn't the cause of it and I shouldn't be required to answer for it. And technically they weren't enslaved by their country.

My opinion? Cry more. They can continue to cry about how hurt they were by slavery. It doesn't change the fact that they weren't there to experience it and many black people are successful and living great lives these days without the white man bringing them down.

[AntiVirus]

I agree with MyndFyre, deadly, and Trust. 

I don't feel bad at all for what my ancestors did.  I say "my" ancestors because half of my family were once plantation owners.  I feel no remorse for what they did.  I was not there, I did not partake in this in any way.  Why should I feel bad?  Black (I will just focus on this minority race) people need to change their mind set.  The ones that grow up in ghettos and get involved in gangs and other organized criminal groups are one of the primary contributors to the black person persona.  They need to focus on what they want and stop crying about it and using slavery as an escape goat.  If they want to get out of the ghettos, then they need to get out of gangs and try hard in schools.  They need to try and make something out of their lives.  Stop sulking and crying about the oppression of your ancestors and instead focus on the future and try to make your life and the lives of the generations to come, better.

When I used to work at The Great Wolf Lodge, the majority of the problems came from black families.  They were always trying to scam me, lie to me, and try and take advantage of my generosity.  After working there, my whole mind-set of black people has changed -- for the worse.  I have no sympathy for people who don't want to help themselves, but instead want everyone else to feel sorry for them and do all of the work for them.

[trust]

What did you do at The Great Wolf Lodge that allowed them to take advantage of your generosity?

[AntiVirus]

I worked in the Arcade and fixed the games when they broke.  They (the blacks) would always tell me something was wrong, and I would just give them tokens (after looking at the machine and finding *NOTHING* wrong with it), because it would make them happy.  However, they kept coming up to me saying other machines were broken just because they wanted more tokens.  I even tested them by saying I couldn't give them any more tokens, and magically, no other games broke for them.  I did this MANY times with the same results.  Every-now-and-again there would be a very honest, nice black family, but that was rare.

We once had these key chains sitting out on the front counter for people to get a closer look at them until we noticed them disappearing.  We caught a black lady with like 5 key chains and we called security (was the standard procedure if something was stolen).  The black lady started yelling at the lead (a female Mexican) and the officers (one of whom was black) and actually called them racist, etc.  I have so many stories that justify my beliefs, that it's not even funny.

[CrAz3D]

I worked in the Arcade and fixed the games when they broke.  They (the blacks) would always tell me something was wrong, and I would just give them tokens (after looking at the machine and finding *NOTHING* wrong with it), because it would make them happy.  However, they kept coming up to me saying other machines were broken just because they wanted more tokens.  I even tested them by saying I couldn't give them any more tokens, and magically, no other games broke for them.  I did this MANY times with the same results.  Every-now-and-again there would be a very honest, nice black family, but that was rare.

We once had these key chains sitting out on the front counter for people to get a closer look at them until we noticed them disappearing.  We caught a black lady with like 5 key chains and we called security (was the standard procedure if something was stolen).  The black lady started yelling at the lead (a female Mexican) and the officers (one of whom was black) and actually called them racist, etc.  I have so many stories that justify my beliefs, that it's not even funny.

The first part is probably just punk ass kids.

The second part is funny

[AntiVirus]

I worked in the Arcade and fixed the games when they broke.  They (the blacks) would always tell me something was wrong, and I would just give them tokens (after looking at the machine and finding *NOTHING* wrong with it), because it would make them happy.  However, they kept coming up to me saying other machines were broken just because they wanted more tokens.  I even tested them by saying I couldn't give them any more tokens, and magically, no other games broke for them.  I did this MANY times with the same results.  Every-now-and-again there would be a very honest, nice black family, but that was rare.

We once had these key chains sitting out on the front counter for people to get a closer look at them until we noticed them disappearing.  We caught a black lady with like 5 key chains and we called security (was the standard procedure if something was stolen).  The black lady started yelling at the lead (a female Mexican) and the officers (one of whom was black) and actually called them racist, etc.  I have so many stories that justify my beliefs, that it's not even funny.

The first part is probably just punk ass kids.

The second part is funny

No, actually the first part was primarily adults.

[iago]

Sorry to bump, but I just had to mention this: Family Guy made reference to this event last night.

Peter: I hope this isn't as bad as when we went to that comedy club!
<flashback>
(Peter and Cleveland (the black guy) are walking into a comedy club)
Peter: This should be good, I hear this guy played Kramer on Seinfeld!
(pause)
</flashback>

The reference is vague enough that you wouldn't get it unless you knew this story

[deadly7]

Sorry to bump, but I just had to mention this: Family Guy made reference to this event last night.

Peter: I hope this isn't as bad as when we went to that comedy club!
<flashback>
(Peter and Cleveland (the black guy) are walking into a comedy club)
Peter: This should be good, I hear this guy played Kramer on Seinfeld!
(pause)
</flashback>

The reference is vague enough that you wouldn't get it unless you knew this story

I saw that and I laughed so fucking hard!  I knew you'd post about it when I saw this thread bumped.

[ZeroX]

Hitler had a good idea and just went to far with it. Fuck niggers and all other rasits but no need to go and kill them all off. Then we have no one to make fun of 

[MyndFyre]

Hitler had a good idea and just went to far with it. Fuck niggers and all other rasits but no need to go and kill them all off. Then we have no one to make fun of 

Did you just say to fuck yourself?

[Sidoh]

Hitler had a good idea and just went to far with it. Fuck niggers and all other rasits but no need to go and kill them all off. Then we have no one to make fun of 

If you truly believe this, I'm convinced you're unworthy of any form of respect.