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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2006, 05:40:50 pm »
The only way I know of to get nicotine in a relatively cheap way is tobacco

Nicotine patches, nicotine gum, etc.
... which is why I added "in a relatively cheap way" :P

Patches aren't much more expensive than cigs. At least this is true at Cosco, anyway.
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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2006, 06:21:12 pm »
I like how Zero said marijuana is illegal because it can't be taxed because it's easy to grow.  Then he says it's hard to grow, and that he's tried and failed -- that's why he buys.  Further, he thinks that cigarettes couldn't be easily manufactured because of the toxic chemicals in them -- as though they purposely put poison in cigarettes before they distribute them.  "OMG WHERE AM I GOING TO FIND THE CYANIDE TO PUT IN MY HOME-GROWN TOBACCO CROP BEFORE I SELL IT?"


Should we take this guys opinion seriously?  That's what I thought too.

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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2006, 06:58:28 pm »
Patches aren't much more expensive than cigs. At least this is true at Cosco, anyway.
Here, cigarettes are roughly $11/pack, and patches are about $50/box.  But I believe the box of patches lasts longer than a pack of cigarettes, so I don't know.

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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2006, 10:52:36 pm »
Wow, $32 for a carton, it must be nice to smoke in the states.. the price is around $75 here. 

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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2006, 10:53:21 pm »
30 cigs a day? wow

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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2006, 10:30:25 pm »
I like how Zero said marijuana is illegal because it can't be taxed because it's easy to grow.  Then he says it's hard to grow, and that he's tried and failed -- that's why he buys.  Further, he thinks that cigarettes couldn't be easily manufactured because of the toxic chemicals in them -- as though they purposely put poison in cigarettes before they distribute them.  "OMG WHERE AM I GOING TO FIND THE CYANIDE TO PUT IN MY HOME-GROWN TOBACCO CROP BEFORE I SELL IT?"


Should we take this guys opinion seriously?  That's what I thought too.



I was going somewhere with my point but then it lost its meaning. No need to be an asshole. Futhore more I said I had trouble growing it that dosent mean that others might. Go back and re read please before you make bias comments like that.
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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2006, 11:37:04 pm »
Should we take this guys opinion seriously?  That's what I thought too.

No need for that comment in pointing out the flaws in Zerox's argument. What's the point in communicating that? To end the argument because you think the premises are invalid? You can say that in a less pejorative manner.

Here's my opinion about legalizing marijuana. One could say that the objectively correct endeavor is to stop the use of harmful drugs. Many people say marijuana isn't harmful, but it is proven to be harmful in the long term, has emotional effects in the short term, and is a gateway to unhealthy lifestyles and worse drugs. By legalizing marijuana, we may decrease the popularity of the drug, but it will put our progress of reducing the drug-taking population in a stasis, because there is no way to enforce drug prohibition. We'll get the number of people who take drugs down to a certain number, but that number will remain static. One may argue that we educate people instead of enforce by law, but we do that already and it doesn't work. One may also say that if marijuana were legal, discussions in school would be more open and productive. I think that the effects of marketing will outweigh this benefit.

Furthermore, the argument that legalizing marijuana will decrease its popularity is only speculative. You have to take marketing into play. Also, the government will most likely tax marijuana, else the marijuana industry would become the next Microsoft. Or maybe Microsoft will become a marijuana industry. Anyways, we're adding another Sin Tax to our profile, and America already has enough attributes to be ashamed about.

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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2006, 12:23:14 am »
...marijuana... is a gateway to unhealthy lifestyles and worse drugs.
There is a possibility that this is only true because Marijuana is falsely classified with other drugs such as Cocaine. People think, "Oh, Marijuana is illegal and it's not that bad! That must mean the other drugs categorized the same way must not be bad either!"
By legalizing marijuana, we may decrease the popularity of the drug, but it will put our progress of reducing the drug-taking population in a stasis, because there is no way to enforce drug prohibition. We'll get the number of people who take drugs down to a certain number, but that number will remain static.
I believe that is better than fighting a war that is a lost cause, which ironically only causes more people to use marijuana.
One may argue that we educate people instead of enforce by law, but we do that already and it doesn't work.
We really aren't being educated on it; we are being lied to. The government classifies marijuana to be as harmful as other drugs, such as cocaine. The human mind often recognizes these lies.
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I believe the legalization of marijuana is progress in society. Britain is doing it, and it's working.
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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2006, 07:06:23 pm »
The government classifies marijuana to be as harmful as other drugs, such as cocaine. The human mind often recognizes these lies.

I somehow doubt you actually found a credible source for that information.  Otherwise though, you do make some reasonable points.

I have put a lot of thought into this never-ending debate, and I'm still undecided.  My gut instinct is that marijuana should be illegal, and that the government should strictly enforce its prohibition.  From what I've observed, marijuana is a very dangerous drug -- more so than alcohol or tobacco, (though cumulatively tobacco is more likely to lead to fatality).  I think rather than going back and forth in an argument full of platitudes and passion between the pro-legalisation advocates (who, I wish to emphasize, are almost solely marijuana users) and the rest of us, it would be enlightening to really investigate what effect the recent legalisation of marijuana in a first-world country has had.  Does anyone have any meaningful data or knowledge about this?

Also, my gut instinct is that if it is right to legalize marijuana, it is also right to legalize any drug.  Which again sways me towards the anti-legalisation position.


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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2006, 07:13:27 pm »
Also, my gut instinct is that if it is right to legalize marijuana, it is also right to legalize any drug.  Which again sways me towards the anti-legalisation position.

It'd be opening up a can of worms. I completely agree.

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That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2006, 11:41:28 pm »
The government classifies marijuana to be as harmful as other drugs, such as cocaine. The human mind often recognizes these lies.

I somehow doubt you actually found a credible source for that information.  Otherwise though, you do make some reasonable points.
My bad. It's actually listed as a Schedule I narcotic, along side heroine. The government is actually saying it's worse than cocaine. http://www.dea.gov/pubs/scheduling.html
I think rather than going back and forth in an argument full of platitudes and passion between the pro-legalisation advocates (who, I wish to emphasize, are almost solely marijuana users) and the rest of us, it would be enlightening to really investigate what effect the recent legalisation of marijuana in a first-world country has had.  Does anyone have any meaningful data or knowledge about this?
I haven't used marijuana in about 6 months, and before that, another 6 months.

Check out google for Britain. They've dropped marijuana to a Class B drug, which from what I understand is a lot less severe than what it was before, and that it might even be legal to possess small amounts.
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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2006, 11:56:11 pm »
http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2000/108-10/correspondence.html#thc

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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2006, 05:39:10 pm »
The government classifies marijuana to be as harmful as other drugs, such as cocaine. The human mind often recognizes these lies.

I somehow doubt you actually found a credible source for that information.  Otherwise though, you do make some reasonable points.
My bad. It's actually listed as a Schedule I narcotic, along side heroine. The government is actually saying it's worse than cocaine. http://www.dea.gov/pubs/scheduling.html
I think rather than going back and forth in an argument full of platitudes and passion between the pro-legalisation advocates (who, I wish to emphasize, are almost solely marijuana users) and the rest of us, it would be enlightening to really investigate what effect the recent legalisation of marijuana in a first-world country has had.  Does anyone have any meaningful data or knowledge about this?
I haven't used marijuana in about 6 months, and before that, another 6 months.

Check out google for Britain. They've dropped marijuana to a Class B drug, which from what I understand is a lot less severe than what it was before, and that it might even be legal to possess small amounts.

Why do you squander your money on drugs for short-lived, fleeting pleasure that is unquestionably detrimental to your health?

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Re: Marijuana
« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2006, 05:44:19 pm »
The government classifies marijuana to be as harmful as other drugs, such as cocaine. The human mind often recognizes these lies.

I somehow doubt you actually found a credible source for that information.  Otherwise though, you do make some reasonable points.
My bad. It's actually listed as a Schedule I narcotic, along side heroine. The government is actually saying it's worse than cocaine. http://www.dea.gov/pubs/scheduling.html
I think rather than going back and forth in an argument full of platitudes and passion between the pro-legalisation advocates (who, I wish to emphasize, are almost solely marijuana users) and the rest of us, it would be enlightening to really investigate what effect the recent legalisation of marijuana in a first-world country has had.  Does anyone have any meaningful data or knowledge about this?
I haven't used marijuana in about 6 months, and before that, another 6 months.

Check out google for Britain. They've dropped marijuana to a Class B drug, which from what I understand is a lot less severe than what it was before, and that it might even be legal to possess small amounts.

Why do you squander your money on drugs for short-lived, fleeting pleasure that is unquestionably detrimental to your health?
I don't spend my money on it, and using it twice in 1 year isn't detrimental to your health. Just for the sake of argument, it wouldn't even be detrimental to your health if you used it once every 2 weeks.

Why do people squander their money on carnivals for short-lived, fleeting pleasure?
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