Author Topic: Blizzard C# Job :o (Read 8525 times)

MyndFyre · « **on:** December 18, 2006, 12:51:39 pm »

http://www.blizzard.com/jobopp/core-technology-tools-programmer.shtml

I was thinking that I could show some really great skills with it, especially since they're looking for C# people.

Then it occurred to me...

Blizzard: "What are some of your projects?"
Me: "Oh, well I built that Battle.net client... then, MBNCSUtil... and then there's of course JinxBot."
Blizzard: "What's MBNCSUtil and JinxBot?"
Me: "Well, MBNCSUtil is a C# utility library that provides assistance with connecting to Battle.net by performing the authentication logic done by the official clients."
Blizzard: "And JinxBot?"
Me: "Uhh..... it's a multi-service client chat application."
Blizzard: "What kinds of clients?"
Me: "Right now? Battle.net..... WoW."
Blizzard: "WoW?"
Me: "Uhh.... " *hides and runs in the corner*

What do you guys think?

CrAz3D · « **Reply #1 on:** December 18, 2006, 12:54:33 pm »

Quote from: MyndFyre[x86] on December 18, 2006, 12:51:39 pm

http://www.blizzard.com/jobopp/core-technology-tools-programmer.shtml

I was thinking that I could show some really great skills with it, especially since they're looking for C# people.

Then it occurred to me...

Blizzard: "What are some of your projects?"
Me: "Oh, well I built that Battle.net client... then, MBNCSUtil... and then there's of course JinxBot."
Blizzard: "What's MBNCSUtil and JinxBot?"
Me: "Well, MBNCSUtil is a C# utility library that provides assistance with connecting to Battle.net by performing the authentication logic done by the official clients."
Blizzard: "And JinxBot?"
Me: "Uhh..... it's a multi-service client chat application."
Blizzard: "What kinds of clients?"
Me: "Right now? Battle.net..... WoW."
Blizzard: "WoW?"
Me: "Uhh.... " *hides and runs in the corner*

What do you guys think?

Promise to tell them only if they don't prosecute!

...or maybe just say "Since I broke in, maybe I can help stop others from doing the same"

d&q · « **Reply #2 on:** December 18, 2006, 01:53:06 pm »

They might be happy to hire a nemesis to work for them. Kind of like how the government hires ex-hackers and banks hire ex-robbers. Mainly for security reasons though.

Newby · « **Reply #3 on:** December 18, 2006, 02:15:57 pm »

I'm a moron.

Ersan · « **Reply #4 on:** December 18, 2006, 02:50:27 pm »

Sounds like it's a request for a web developer.

iago · « **Reply #5 on:** December 18, 2006, 03:07:36 pm »

Quote from: Deuce on December 18, 2006, 01:53:06 pm

They might be happy to hire a nemesis to work for them. Kind of like how the government hires ex-hackers and banks hire ex-robbers. Mainly for security reasons though.

I don't know about your country, but in Canada our government won't hire anybody (for security) with any kind of criminal record. Being a hacker demonstrates a lack of morals/ethics that you don't want the people with access to mission-critical data to have.

Furious · « **Reply #6 on:** December 18, 2006, 03:33:58 pm »

Go for it, what's the worst that can happen?

Chavo · « **Reply #7 on:** December 18, 2006, 03:46:10 pm »

The worst that can happen is he would get prosecuted. Just don't mention JinxBot if you really want the job.

If they ask you something specific like, "Have you ever written a program that violates the TOS of a Blizzard Application?" then you won't get the job without lying, but not answering the question doesn't give them any evidence to press charges/investigate. Aren't you in pre-law or something? You should know this stuff!

Furious · « **Reply #8 on:** December 18, 2006, 03:54:56 pm »

Quote from: unTactical on December 18, 2006, 03:46:10 pm

The worst that can happen is he would get prosecuted. Just don't mention JinxBot if you really want the job.

If they ask you something specific like, "Have you ever written a program that violates the TOS of a Blizzard Application?" then you won't get the job without lying, but not answering the question doesn't give them any evidence to press charges/investigate. Aren't you in pre-law or something? You should know this stuff!

ORLY? I wasn't talking about him telling them about the bot(s), since he wasn't being serious about that. Learn to use common sense. And no, I'm not in pre-law, I don't know where the hell you heard that. $:-\$

Warrior · « **Reply #9 on:** December 18, 2006, 04:09:30 pm »

I'd mention it, it'd be a plus you know their protocol inside and out.

MyndFyre · « **Reply #10 on:** December 18, 2006, 04:18:51 pm »

Quote from: iago on December 18, 2006, 03:07:36 pm

Quote from: Deuce on December 18, 2006, 01:53:06 pm
They might be happy to hire a nemesis to work for them. Kind of like how the government hires ex-hackers and banks hire ex-robbers. Mainly for security reasons though.
I don't know about your country, but in Canada our government won't hire anybody (for security) with any kind of criminal record. Being a hacker demonstrates a lack of morals/ethics that you don't want the people with access to mission-critical data to have.

Sure your country would. They'd take someone who was defecting in a time of war, for example.

Quote from: Ersan on December 18, 2006, 02:50:27 pm

Sounds like it's a request for a web developer.

Since it's a tool development job, though, and they want someone with UI design skill, it seems that it's not limited to web.

Quote from: Furious on December 18, 2006, 03:54:56 pm

ORLY? I wasn't talking about him telling them about the bot(s), since he wasn't being serious about that. Learn to use common sense. And no, I'm not in pre-law, I don't know where the hell you heard that. $:-\$

I'm pretty sure he was asking *me* if I was in pre-law, because I'm applying to law school. The "Just don't mention JinxBot if you really want the job" gave it away.

Quote from: unTactical on December 18, 2006, 03:46:10 pm

The worst that can happen is he would get prosecuted.

Well, I haven't made anything public, and I haven't "distributed means of violating copy protection or anti-circumvention technology", so there's nothing criminal to prosecute me under. The worst that they could do is revoke my license to play WoW and their other games

Quote from: Deuce on December 18, 2006, 01:53:06 pm

They might be happy to hire a nemesis to work for them. Kind of like how the government hires ex-hackers and banks hire ex-robbers. Mainly for security reasons though.

I don't think of myself as a nemesis. I work hard to make things more accessble for people who use Blizzard products. I'm also highly anti-piracy and work hard to make sure that their trade secrets aren't made public.

It's not like I'm a pirate.

iago · « **Reply #11 on:** December 18, 2006, 04:21:15 pm »

Quote from: MyndFyre[x86] on December 18, 2006, 04:18:51 pm

Sure your country would. They'd take someone who was defecting in a time of war, for example.

No, you wouldn't get a security job in government unless you're born in Canada. Believe me, I've worked for the provincial security department and have interviewed for the federal one. The background checks are very extensive.

MyndFyre · « **Reply #12 on:** December 18, 2006, 04:29:32 pm »

Quote from: iago on December 18, 2006, 04:21:15 pm

Quote from: MyndFyre[x86] on December 18, 2006, 04:18:51 pm
Sure your country would. They'd take someone who was defecting in a time of war, for example.
No, you wouldn't get a security job in government unless you're born in Canada. Believe me, I've worked for the provincial security department and have interviewed for the federal one. The background checks are very extensive.

Oh I didn't see your "(for security)" aside at first.

Chavo · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2006, 04:32:56 pm »

Quote from: Warrior[x86] on December 18, 2006, 04:09:30 pm

I'd mention it, it'd be a plus you know their protocol inside and out.

MBNCS should cover that without need to mention JinxBot.

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Well, I haven't made anything public, and I haven't "distributed means of violating copy protection or anti-circumvention technology", so there's nothing criminal to prosecute me under. The worst that they could do is revoke my license to play WoW and their other games

Eh...that really depends on your definition of public (not that they would have any means of knowing the select groups you have opened it to). I haven't read the WoW TOS in some time, I just thought I remembered you mentioning something about violating it. Meh.

Warrior · « **Reply #14 on:** December 18, 2006, 04:55:49 pm »

Why not mention JinxBot? It's not like you use the Bot for anything malicious. You simply did it to extend your knowledge on the protocol. I think it'd impress them.

MyndFyre · « **Reply #15 on:** December 18, 2006, 05:03:35 pm »

Quote from: unTactical on December 18, 2006, 04:32:56 pm

Eh...that really depends on your definition of public (not that they would have any means of knowing the select groups you have opened it to). I haven't read the WoW TOS in some time, I just thought I remembered you mentioning something about violating it. Meh.

The only groups I've opened it to would be x86 (privately) and one person from my old Bnet clan, AoA. That's pretty much not public.

It also has to do with what you would define "anti-circumvention technology." While it's clear I'm not distributing content from their game that would violate copyright law, what's unclear is whether I'm copying their intellectual property. The anti-circumvention technology that I am circumventing isn't really guarding their intellectual property, though - it's not really even guarding anything. It's really just obfuscation - they encrypt the protocol headers to make it more difficult to understand the messages.

The WoW TOS clearly states that protocol emulation is not allowed, but they can't criminally charge me for breaking their TOS. My liability is limited to the civil complaints listed in the EULA/TOS, which include specifically their right to terminate.

*shrug*

Quote from: Warrior[x86] on December 18, 2006, 04:55:49 pm

Why not mention JinxBot? It's not like you use the Bot for anything malicious. You simply did it to extend your knowledge on the protocol. I think it'd impress them.

I've never seen Blizzard be anything but nazis for something like that.

iago · « **Reply #16 on:** December 18, 2006, 05:10:01 pm »

Quote from: MyndFyre[x86] on December 18, 2006, 04:29:32 pm

Quote from: iago on December 18, 2006, 04:21:15 pm
Quote from: MyndFyre[x86] on December 18, 2006, 04:18:51 pm
Sure your country would. They'd take someone who was defecting in a time of war, for example.
No, you wouldn't get a security job in government unless you're born in Canada. Believe me, I've worked for the provincial security department and have interviewed for the federal one. The background checks are very extensive.
Oh I didn't see your "(for security)" aside at first.

Well, they don't generally hire ex-hackers for floor-mopping. Well actually, they might. Whatever

Quote from: MyndFyre[x86] on December 18, 2006, 05:03:35 pm

I've never seen Blizzard be anything but nazis for something like that.

Speaking of that, I bet that anybody who interviewed you would have no idea what you're talking about. And if it's webby stuff, people you work with might not even know.

Chavo · « **Reply #17 on:** December 18, 2006, 05:25:20 pm »

Probably not, but any interviewer is going to remember and be more impressed with a candidate who has real "Blizzard" experience under their belt (TOS violating experience withstanding).

It sounds like you answered your own question in your response to me Myndy.

rabbit · « **Reply #18 on:** December 18, 2006, 06:43:31 pm »

Also you're not making profit off of it, nor are you distributing it publicly. You're not technically breaking any of their rules.

Furious · « **Reply #19 on:** December 18, 2006, 07:16:05 pm »

Quote from: unTactical on December 18, 2006, 03:46:10 pm

The worst that can happen is he would get prosecuted. Just don't mention JinxBot if you really want the job.

If they ask you something specific like, "Have you ever written a program that violates the TOS of a Blizzard Application?" then you won't get the job without lying, but not answering the question doesn't give them any evidence to press charges/investigate. Aren't you in pre-law or something? You should know this stuff!

Emphasis on the "he", that's why I responded like he was referring to my statement. I didn't notice all of the "you"s after it though.

disco · « **Reply #20 on:** December 18, 2006, 07:34:53 pm »

Quote from: MyndFyre[x86] on December 18, 2006, 12:51:39 pm

http://www.blizzard.com/jobopp/core-technology-tools-programmer.shtml

I was thinking that I could show some really great skills with it, especially since they're looking for C# people.

Then it occurred to me...

Blizzard: "What are some of your projects?"
Me: "Oh, well I built that Battle.net client... then, MBNCSUtil... and then there's of course JinxBot."
Blizzard: "What's MBNCSUtil and JinxBot?"
Me: "Well, MBNCSUtil is a C# utility library that provides assistance with connecting to Battle.net by performing the authentication logic done by the official clients."
Blizzard: "And JinxBot?"
Me: "Uhh..... it's a multi-service client chat application."
Blizzard: "What kinds of clients?"
Me: "Right now? Battle.net..... WoW."
Blizzard: "WoW?"
Me: "Uhh.... " *hides and runs in the corner*

What do you guys think?

you giev WoW hax!? ^^

Blaze · « **Reply #21 on:** December 19, 2006, 12:23:04 pm »

Quote from: rabbit on December 18, 2006, 06:43:31 pm

Also you're not making profit off of it, nor are you distributing it publicly. You're not technically breaking any of their rules.

Yeah, breaking the EULA of their game in a non-game impacting way wouldn't hurt your chances.

Go MyndFyre, go!

rabbit · « **Reply #22 on:** December 19, 2006, 07:53:08 pm »

Ah...yes. I read the EULA, and they specifically state no emulating the protocol. O well.

Blaze · « **Reply #23 on:** December 19, 2006, 08:45:12 pm »

You should defiantly do it, Rob!

Joe · « **Reply #24 on:** December 19, 2006, 11:51:50 pm »

Quote from: rabbit on December 18, 2006, 06:43:31 pm

Also you're not making profit off of it, nor are you distributing it publicly. You're not technically breaking any of their rules.

He's making a connection to Battle.net (or WoW)'s private binary interface. It says explicitly in the ToS that you may not do that.

rabbit · « **Reply #25 on:** December 20, 2006, 07:12:28 am »

Quote from: rabbit on December 19, 2006, 07:53:08 pm

Ah...yes. I read the EULA, and they specifically state no emulating the protocol. O well.

nslay · « **Reply #26 on:** January 05, 2007, 05:28:22 pm »

I know this is an old post, but in my scarce conversations with Yoni, I mentioned this post to him:

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(17:19:29) Nate: Myndfyre says he wants to apply for Blizzard
(17:19:32) Nate: and he asked on x86
(17:19:39) Nate: if he should tell Blizzard he hacked their shit
(17:19:41) Nate: in the interview
(17:20:03) Nate: I think I would hint it
(17:20:11) Nate: so they would get the idea I'm very familiar with their shit
(17:20:13) Nate: wouldn't you?
(17:20:33) Yoni: YES.
(17:20:37) Yoni: not hint
(17:20:38) Yoni: say
(17:20:58) Yoni: but not be a kiddie about it
(17:21:11) Yoni: speak professionally about it and he's sure to impress them
(17:22:15) Nate: yeah
(17:22:22) Nate: but he's worry about the TOS and EULA
(17:22:41) Yoni: then he needs to be less worried
(17:22:47) Nate: post that on x86
(17:22:54) Nate: x86 forum is much less boobyish than vL forum anyways
(17:22:55) Yoni: i don't want to
(17:23:06) Nate: fine
(17:23:09) Nate: can I quote you?
(17:23:14) Yoni: yes

Joe · « **Reply #27 on:** January 05, 2007, 06:35:15 pm »

Quote from: Blaze on December 19, 2006, 12:23:04 pm

Quote from: rabbit on December 18, 2006, 06:43:31 pm
Also you're not making profit off of it, nor are you distributing it publicly. You're not technically breaking any of their rules.

Yeah, breaking the EULA of their game in a non-game impacting way wouldn't hurt your chances.

Go MyndFyre, go!

I think that Battle.net bots made a big impact, especially Diablo II ingame bots (when I was soloing, I'd password my game just so the bots didn't join).

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Author Topic: Blizzard C# Job :o (Read 8525 times)