Anyone want to start a new character?

[warz]

Well, I ran into a dilemma. I signed up using the trial account option, and had planned on upgrading to the pay account once it ran out. Well, I just tried to pay and found out several things. If you're using a trial account, and want to straight up pay to play, you're charged $20.00 up front. They tell you the first month is free, and this money is basically your "activation" fee, as well as to purchase a new key. I guess you can look at this as either being the $15.00 monthly payment for the first month and $5.00 for the key, or the $20.00 key. Anyways, I have my own key, as well as all the installation disks with me, and tried to upgrade the trial account using my key. It says it has already been used, because ... it has, on my old account. I remember the password to the old account, and can just activate that one I guess. Basically, I would rather spend $15.00 instead of $20.00, and use my old account, and be forced to start a new character. For some reason the extra five dollars is just enough to make this game not worth it, to me.

So, I ask - does anyone want to begin a new character with me?! Or, has anyone recently began one (below level 20)?! Doesn't matter which server, as long as it's pvp I guess.

[Sidoh]

Why do newbies continually insist on pvp servers?

[warz]

Why do newbies continually insist on pvp servers?

because role playing is full of fucking losers, and normal lacks a large aspect of the game, imo.

[Sidoh]

because role playing is full of fucking losers, and normal lacks a large aspect of the game, imo.

My "home" server is Feathermoon, a RP server.  There are losers, but as I've argued before, the general population is more tolerable than the other types.  I don't think you quite know what you're talking about...

In any case, the only aspect that non-pvp servers "lack" is getting ganked and ganking, neither of which have a purpose aside from epeening.  The only physically rewarding form of pvp is battlegrounds (and similar things), which is cross server now, so what server you pick doesn't matter much anymore.

It basically boils down to this: Do you want to constantly get ganked while leveling?  If not, is it worth it so that you can be a lifeless dick in return when you get to level 60?  PvP is still present on PvE and RP servers; you simply gain the ability to not worry about it if you don't want to.  Stranglethorn Vale and Duskwood (as examples) are wonderful places to quest on normal servers.  They're a gankfest on PvP servers.

This is, of course, my own opinion.  Pick what you want, but I have a hard time playing on a PvP server.

[warz]

Well, on PvE servers, youre able to attack NPCs in towns of the other faction by default - whereas the players of the other faction are not flagged attackable by default. So, how do you stop a bunch of 60's, soon to be 70's from comming in and killing your whole town? They can just deny your duel, and continue their raiding

[Skywing]

Attacking an NPC of the opposing faction will make you vulnerable to player attacks from that faction.

[Sidoh]

Well, on PvE servers, youre able to attack NPCs in towns of the other faction by default - whereas the players of the other faction are not flagged attackable by default. So, how do you stop a bunch of 60's, soon to be 70's from comming in and killing your whole town? They can just deny your duel, and continue their raiding

You've just confirmed my accusation

I don't think you quite know what you're talking about...

As Skywing already said, attacking anyone of the opposite faction who's PvP flag is active (there are a few exceptions, eg dueling a Horde as an Alliance while their flag is up and yours isn't) will automatically activate your PvP flag (faction-specific NPC's have their PvP flag activated with no exceptions I can think of).  This is only one way a PvP flag is activated; there are several others.  For example, if you heal, buff or dispel someone of the same faction who is PvP enabled, your PvP flag is activated.  You can also manually activate your PvP flag with the slash-command /pvp.  In addition to these things, entering any capital city belonging to the opposing faction will instantly activate your PvP flag, regardless of server type. 

If a raid of high-level alliance enter The Undercity, they won't last long against the NPC's unless they're high in number (the successful raids on the city bosses I've heard of are 300+ people) and well prepared, but the players of the opposing faction will get their chance to pick them off.

[Kaleeko]

I personally don't ever want to touch a PvP server ever again. All my high level alts are on a PvE server, but for the hell of it I switched to one of my older PvP characters for reminicsing purposes. Within a half hour of playing, I was already ganked three times, and I wasn't even in STV.

Yes, PvE lacks a certain aspect of the game. The aspect that makes it ten times harder to level because 60 rogues are constantly sneaking up behind you and jabbing you a couple of times in the back. While I have to say that I like flagging myself sometimes in 60 areas and attempting to get other people to flag themselves and fight me, I really, really do not miss that aspect of gameplay. If I could, I wouldn't mind transferring to a PvP server for it at 60, but before that, trying to level is a pain in the ass.

[Furious]

It's all about what you enjoy.  I dislike people saying "Aye, sir!  Care to donate to the Flaming Crusaders?".  The enviroment on a PvP server IMO is much more welcoming.  You get ganked, you ask for help and here come two 60s to help you out.  You guys must have rolled on some shitty PvP servers, I hardly ever get ganked.  I see a hordie and depending on whether he wants to fight or not ( he does /chicken ; /spit, etc. ) I /wave or /bow and go along my way.  Anyways, warz if you want to roll on a *PvP server:

Executus - PvP ( Horde ):

Me, Krazed and Mythix play there.  There is a topic about it here.

Maelstrom - RP-PvP ( Alliance):

Me: 42 Rogue, 31 Paladin, 18 Druid, 12 Priest and a low hunter.

Mythix: High 20's maybe low 30's Rogue and another char ( I can't remember >_> )

Warrior: 42 Warrior and a low rogue.


I'm on both servers off and on, as is Mythix.

[Sidoh]

It's all about what you enjoy.  I dislike people saying "Aye, sir!  Care to donate to the Flaming Crusaders?".  The enviroment on a PvP server IMO is much more welcoming.  You get ganked, you ask for help and here come two 60s to help you out.  You guys must have rolled on some shitty PvP servers, I hardly ever get ganked.  I see a hordie and depending on whether he wants to fight or not ( he does /chicken ; /spit, etc. ) I /wave or /bow and go along my way.  Anyways, warz if you want to roll on a *PvP server:

Never encountered anything like that.  Lol, more welcoming?  More childish... The Barrens chat is a nightmare...

[Furious]

It's all about what you enjoy.  I dislike people saying "Aye, sir!  Care to donate to the Flaming Crusaders?".  The enviroment on a PvP server IMO is much more welcoming.  You get ganked, you ask for help and here come two 60s to help you out.  You guys must have rolled on some shitty PvP servers, I hardly ever get ganked.  I see a hordie and depending on whether he wants to fight or not ( he does /chicken ; /spit, etc. ) I /wave or /bow and go along my way.  Anyways, warz if you want to roll on a *PvP server:

Never encountered anything like that.  Lol, more welcoming?  More childish... The Barrens chat is a nightmare...

That's not just in *PvP servers...

[Sidoh]

That's not just in *PvP servers...

I didn't have a problem with it on FM. :\

So, every time you get ganked, you have the phenomenal ability to summon two level 60's to your side?  Haha, that's an optimism if I've ever heard one.

[Furious]

That's not just in *PvP servers...

I didn't have a problem with it on FM. :\

So, every time you get ganked, you have the phenomenal ability to summon two level 60's to your side?  Haha, that's an optimism if I've ever heard one.

I rarely get ganked, but when I do ( In STV for example ) there is ALWAYS at least one 60 around willing to help, I normally end up seeing at least two show up to take care of the problem.

[Sidoh]

What level are you again?  How often to quest?

[Furious]

What level are you again?  How often to quest?

My "main" is 42, I spend a lot of time in STV with him.  My 30 Paladin just moved out of Duskwood where I almost got ganked by a rogue but murdered him.  I hardly have problems getting ganked, they normally run by me, stop, look, and keep going.

[Sidoh]

You're either really lucky or play at really good times, then.  I've never played on a PvP server in contested territory without being ganked at least once every hour.  1/3 times I'm ganked by the same person shortly after resurrecting.  I'm complaining about ganking from a personal point of view, not an objective one.  Ganking is a natural part of PvP servers -- one that I can't tolerate.

[Furious]

You're either really lucky or play at really good times, then.  I've never played on a PvP server in contested territory without being ganked at least once every hour.  1/3 times I'm ganked by the same person shortly after resurrecting. I'm complaining about ganking from a personal point of view, not an objective one.  Ganking is a natural part of PvP servers -- one that I can't tolerate.

Yeah, some people can't deal with it - and that's why we have PvE servers  .  I enjoy "ganking" people around my level, ie: 5 levels above or below.

[warz]

Well, i really just evaluated the reasons that i had for starting to play again. My reasons were because my last chars only ever got to level 20, and i hadnt seen much of the cool world scenes that i have seen in screenshots etc, i also wanted to fight those crazy ass bosses. So, i signed up on a normal server. I guess ill just make a shadow priest geared towards PvE.

[Sidoh]

Yeah, some people can't deal with it - and that's why we have PvE servers  .  I enjoy "ganking" people around my level, ie: 5 levels above or below.

Well, i really just evaluated the reasons that i had for starting to play again. My reasons were because my last chars only ever got to level 20, and i hadnt seen much of the cool world scenes that i have seen in screenshots etc, i also wanted to fight those crazy ass bosses. So, i signed up on a normal server. I guess ill just make a shadow priest geared towards PvE.

You can still PvP on normal servers.  It's just much more controlled and less spontaneous.

[Joe]

You can still PvP on normal servers.  It's just much more controlled and less spontaneous.

-- an aspect I can't deal with. . ADHD ftw.

[Sidoh]

-- an aspect I can't deal with. . ADHD ftw.

What the hell does ADHD have to do with wanting PvP to be spontaneous?

You can still flag up on normal servers.  There are usually more than a few people of the opposing faction who are willing to participate.  You simply gain the ability to de-flag when you're questing and don't want to be bothered.

Edit: Furious, this happened in the five minutes I was logged in to take a screenshot in the other topic.    This character is in Ashenvale on the Deathwing server.

[warz]

u only have 542 health?

[Sidoh]

u only have 542 health?

Yeah, that's an alt I never play.  I have much more powerful characters. :p

lol, my 29 hunter has had aimed shot crits for over 600.  I see that his was only a hit, but it's still pretty funny.

I have a 19 Warrior twink with 1200 HP.  I think my Rogue and Priest both have around 3000 without buffs and they're both squishies.  Before I speced out of discipline, my priest had something like 8100 mana unbuffed.

[warz]

What does twink mean? Somebody basically gives them a full set of badass armor to use at a real low level to level faster?

[Sidoh]

What does twink mean? Somebody basically gives them a full set of badass armor to use at a real low level to level faster?

It varies with each MMO.  In WoW, it's a character who remains at the same level with the intention of 'farming' a PvP bracket.

[disco]

I don't really see the point of being a twink now.  It's not like you can get legionnaire at 19 or anything like that anymore.

[dark_drake]

I don't really see the point of being a twink now.  It's not like you can get legionnaire at 19 or anything like that anymore.

It's an ego thing.   

[Sidoh]

I don't really see the point of being a twink now.  It's not like you can get legionnaire at 19 or anything like that anymore.

Unless you could a long time ago (like more than a year and a half ago), I don't think this has ever been the case.  You managed to somehow see past the fun involved...

It's an ego thing.   

It can be for some people.  I had the most fun I ever had playing this game on a 40-49 twink.

[disco]

You managed to somehow see past the fun involved...

Care to elaborate?  I'm not trying to be a dick or anything but I honestly can't see the fun involved.  Maybe at a higher level like 49, but personally I like my bgs to be filled with at least somewhat equal people even if it does take longer.  I say leave the unfair fights to the people trying to quest in contested territory 

[warz]

This game is so in-depth. Every tiny aspect is either animated perfectly, or given realistic attributes - whether it be NPCs in the middle of nowhere with large amounts of verbal dialog, or rabbits leaving footprints in the snow, in Dun Morogh. It's fucking crazy.

[Sidoh]

Care to elaborate?  I'm not trying to be a dick or anything but I honestly can't see the fun involved.  Maybe at a higher level like 49, but personally I like my bgs to be filled with at least somewhat equal people even if it does take longer.  I say leave the unfair fights to the people trying to quest in contested territory 

Twinks are generally present in semi-equal numbers for horde and alliance.  Sure, gear helps, but strategy and teamwork determine almost all of a given group's ability to win.

Staying in a pre-60 battleground group is awesome fun because it's much less work to have above average gear and there are far less preformed groups, which helps level the playing field.  I am unsure how cross-server battlegrounds effected the "twink" community, but before the change was applied, there weren't many people (on my server) in the 40's bracket on the horde or alliance.  The horde knew who the alliance twinks were and visa-versa.  I had the entire horde time /cry'ing when they saw it was my last game (I'd leveled to 50 while in queue).

I played with my Rogue "permaflagged" while I was leveling to 60 (for the most part.  again, the ability to turn the flag off is invaluable).  I was in Darnassus and two of the Horde Rogues that played in my battleground sneaked in and ganked me!  Darnassus!  It's a pain in the ass for alliance to get there.  I'd spoken directly to both of them (before and afterward) and we all had a good laugh of it.  This is just a small example of how "connected" the twink BG's were compared to the 60's.

[Towelie]

Care to elaborate?  I'm not trying to be a dick or anything but I honestly can't see the fun involved.  Maybe at a higher level like 49, but personally I like my bgs to be filled with at least somewhat equal people even if it does take longer.  I say leave the unfair fights to the people trying to quest in contested territory 

Twinks are generally present in semi-equal numbers for horde and alliance.  Sure, gear helps, but strategy and teamwork determine almost all of a given group's ability to win.

Staying in a pre-60 battleground group is awesome fun because it's much less work to have above average gear and there are far less preformed groups, which helps level the playing field.  I am unsure how cross-server battlegrounds effected the "twink" community, but before the change was applied, there weren't many people (on my server) in the 40's bracket on the horde or alliance.

Let me just tell you a bit about the 10-19 battlegrounds right now. I stopped playing my 19 twink because there are ONLY twinks in that battleground. You may find a single non twink every other game, but it is 99% twinks. Not as fun anymore

[Sidoh]

Let me just tell you a bit about the 10-19 battlegrounds right now. I stopped playing my 19 twink because there are ONLY twinks in that battleground. You may find a single non twink every other game, but it is 99% twinks. Not as fun anymore

I've played a couple of times since the patch on my 19 Warrior.  It wasn't as bad as you seem to think...

I've never liked the 19 bracket nearly as much as the other ones anyway.

[Towelie]

Let me just tell you a bit about the 10-19 battlegrounds right now. I stopped playing my 19 twink because there are ONLY twinks in that battleground. You may find a single non twink every other game, but it is 99% twinks. Not as fun anymore

I've played a couple of times since the patch on my 19 Warrior.  It wasn't as bad as you seem to think...

I've never liked the 19 bracket nearly as much as the other ones anyway.

ok, I exaggerated, but 90% are twinks :-/

[Sidoh]

ok, I exaggerated, but 90% are twinks :-/

it was that way before cross server bg's.  it was on maelstrom anyway...

[dark_drake]

Let me just tell you a bit about the 10-19 battlegrounds right now. I stopped playing my 19 twink because there are ONLY twinks in that battleground. You may find a single non twink every other game, but it is 99% twinks. Not as fun anymore

Why wasn't it fun any longer?

[Sidoh]

Let me just tell you a bit about the 10-19 battlegrounds right now. I stopped playing my 19 twink because there are ONLY twinks in that battleground. You may find a single non twink every other game, but it is 99% twinks. Not as fun anymore

Why wasn't it fun any longer?

less people to oneshot

[Towelie]

Let me just tell you a bit about the 10-19 battlegrounds right now. I stopped playing my 19 twink because there are ONLY twinks in that battleground. You may find a single non twink every other game, but it is 99% twinks. Not as fun anymore

Why wasn't it fun any longer?

less people to oneshot

Hahahaha, exactly! I LOVE it when a lvl 12 cloth is in it