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« on: January 09, 2007, 02:27:12 pm »
It has been officially announced, and it just oozes sex appeal. I love it.

Link: http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2007, 02:36:13 pm »
Woohoo!  All we need is more dumbasses on the road with more distractions!  Seriously though, I don't understand why people need MP3 / Video capabilities in phones. 

A PHONE IS TO TALK ON
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2007, 02:36:54 pm »
That is beyond BAD ASS

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2007, 03:56:33 pm »
It looks neat.  I haven't read anything, but it *looks* cool.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2007, 04:12:38 pm »
Woohoo!  All we need is more dumbasses on the road with more distractions!  Seriously though, I don't understand why people need MP3 / Video capabilities in phones. 

A PHONE IS TO TALK ON

People already have iPods and phones.  This just puts them into one device.  If anything, I think it'd ease distractions.  The device's functionality is supposed to extend the purpose of a phone.  Instead of buying an iPod and a phone, people can just buy this.  People don't need either of these things.  They don't need GPS units in their phones or the ability to send text messages.  They don't need a backlight in their iPod and they surely don't need that bluetooth earpiece they got last week.  The electronics industry is about pleasure and convenience, not need...
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2007, 04:25:23 pm »
Lack luster.

Touchscreen mp3 players? Done.
Widescreen mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players and a touch screen? Done.

Oh lord the scratches that thing will endure.

They call this revolutionary? They took a mashup of ideas and made them into one thing.
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2007, 04:31:38 pm »
Lack luster.

Touchscreen mp3 players? Done.
Widescreen mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players and a touch screen? Done.

Oh lord the scratches that thing will endure.

They call this revolutionary? They took a mashup of ideas and made them into one thing.

Kind of like Vista? :)

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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2007, 04:33:17 pm »
Lack luster.

Touchscreen mp3 players? Done.
Widescreen mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players and a touch screen? Done.

Oh lord the scratches that thing will endure.

They call this revolutionary? They took a mashup of ideas and made them into one thing.
Blizzard does the same thing, and people love their games.
errr... something like that...

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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2007, 04:35:23 pm »
Blizzard does the same thing, and people love their games.

Haha, so true.

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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2007, 04:40:32 pm »
Woohoo!  All we need is more dumbasses on the road with more distractions!  Seriously though, I don't understand why people need MP3 / Video capabilities in phones. 

A PHONE IS TO TALK ON

People already have iPods and phones.  This just puts them into one device.  If anything, I think it'd ease distractions.  The device's functionality is supposed to extend the purpose of a phone.  Instead of buying an iPod and a phone, people can just buy this.  People don't need either of these things.  They don't need GPS units in their phones or the ability to send text messages.  They don't need a backlight in their iPod and they surely don't need that bluetooth earpiece they got last week.  The electronics industry is about pleasure and convenience, not need...

I was merely pointing out the phone distractions driving wise - and if you think they extend the purpose of a phone while driving, you need to learn to drive.  I can't stand people who talk while driving, they drive slow, swerve in the lane, hit their brakes for no reason or prematurely because their mind is elsewhere, etc.
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2007, 05:08:52 pm »
Lack luster.

Touchscreen mp3 players? Done.
Widescreen mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players and a touch screen? Done.

Oh lord the scratches that thing will endure.

They call this revolutionary? They took a mashup of ideas and made them into one thing.

Kind of like Vista? :)

I'm sure DirectX10, WPF, WCF, Bitlocker, ReadyBoost, SuperFetch, and more have been done by the competition..
Not.

Blizzard doesn't claim their MMORPG to be "Revolutionary". Besides, who said I'm not criticizing Blizzard as well? They just don't apply in this situation. They pay close to no attention to any game other than World of Warcraft and have seemingly forgotten about Starcraft Ghost. You happy?

Apple brings nothing new to the table, nothing that hasn't been done, and it will probably be DRM infested.
I'm sure their latest Monopoly suit will benefit from their tight implementation due to their monopoly :).

Kudos to Apple.
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2007, 05:52:33 pm »
Oh lord the scratches that thing will endure.
That's my biggest fear.  After 2 years of talking and jamming will that thing still have a decent and functioning screen?

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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2007, 06:01:55 pm »
I was merely pointing out the phone distractions driving wise - and if you think they extend the purpose of a phone while driving, you need to learn to drive.  I can't stand people who talk while driving, they drive slow, swerve in the lane, hit their brakes for no reason or prematurely because their mind is elsewhere, etc.

I don't drive.

I'm sure DirectX10, WPF, WCF, Bitlocker, ReadyBoost, SuperFetch, and more have been done by the competition..
Not.


And I'm sure all other MP3 players come equipped with apple touchescreens, apple widescreens and apple phones. :P

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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2007, 06:24:33 pm »
I was merely pointing out the phone distractions driving wise - and if you think they extend the purpose of a phone while driving, you need to learn to drive.  I can't stand people who talk while driving, they drive slow, swerve in the lane, hit their brakes for no reason or prematurely because their mind is elsewhere, etc.
I don't drive.
And I'm sure all other MP3 players come equipped with apple touchescreens, apple widescreens and apple phones. :P
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2007, 06:29:15 pm »
I don't have my drivers licence, I don't have a car and I don't need either of them.  I admit they would be useful at times, but I have friends who have cars.  I have no need for my own and I definitely don't look forward to the added trouble it'll cause when I do get one (I make enough money to get one, trust me :p).

I don't have time to hound women, crazed. 

My desires are far less superficial than yours, evidently...
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2007, 06:33:13 pm »
When I think MP3, Camera, and videos - OH YEAH - the first thing that pops to mind is a phone!
It surprises me how pocket knife phones became so popular ...

Other atrocities include PS3 and Xbox3.  Not only do they cost more than a high end home built computer, but they do absolutely EVERYTHNG a game console shouldn't be doing!  Why do simple ideas like "game console" and "phone" become "game/dvd player/computer/internet browser/mp3 player console" and "PDA/digital camera/video viewer/mp3 player phone"?  By God, and in my humble opinion, when I want a phone, I want just that - A PHONE ... they already sell PDAs, mp3 players, video viewers, and digital cameras and these standalone products usually do a better job at their purpose than the cell phone. 

You know, in the very end...I say we scrap the phone idea.  Lets make something new, call it Thing, or Object and just append every possible conceivable function into it.  Object can be used to open cans, or it can be used as a spoon,  it can take pictures, play movies, be used to shave, have bluetooth and USB, hold files, play mp3s, run Windows, play PSP, DS, XBox, PS2/3, and Computer games, runs Linux, has a toilet paper dispenser, can be worn as a hat or shoe , be used as an umbrella, print documents ... oh and I almost forgot, Object comes with a knife.  Everyone would have an Object, and no other product would ever be needed to do anything else since Object does everything.
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2007, 06:38:46 pm »
But like has been said, most people already have a phone, mp3 player, pda, camera...why not make it easier to keep track of, cheaper to buy, and just generally easier to use.

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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2007, 06:52:51 pm »
But like has been said, most people already have a phone, mp3 player, pda, camera...why not make it easier to keep track of, cheaper to buy, and just generally easier to use.

I thought by adding more (and irrelevant) functionality made it more complicated ... not easier. 
I mean, look at the cell phones original intent...mobility, and they add other very relevant features to it like headsets.  Where on Earth is the other crap coming from and why?  It reminds me of what Ford is doing...they are (or were) trying to put Internet and Computers into cars, I have no idea why!  Even for techies its really stupid.
My father is a 64 year old man, he is a Microsoft guru and works in IBM's Global Services division as a contractor for Microsoft related programming and solutions (my father has been in the computer industry for over 40+ years) ... he has one of these Motorola phones that can do all of the above.  He does not use these features!  Much less, I don't think he even cares if the phone has a camera or can play mp3s...  My mother is the same way, she's 50 some odd years old and a Java programmer for IBM and she has never used these features.  Sure she has played with ring tones but why on earth would she use the camera, listen to mp3s, or watch videos on her phone?
Let's think about it in terms of software...why would you use your e-mail client to write word documents for school/job?  Why would you care if your e-mail client can stream radio or connect to bittorrent or emulate old SNES games?  Thats exactly my point...and this is why there are no such email clients!

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2007, 07:38:54 pm »
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"Today we're introducing three revolutionary products," Jobs said moments before unveiling the device. "A new iPod, a phone and an internet communicator. These are not three separate devices -- we call it the iPhone."

I had a media player, a web browser, a portable-Outlook-type device, AND a phone. All ~3 years ago.

This is not revolutionary. Haha. They just stuck their name on it and the Apple zealots are like "OMGGG!!!!!!!!"

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The announcement follows months of intense speculation and marks a shift of gravity for the company away from its Mac line of personal computers to a broader range of consumer electronics.

Perhaps they should try dominating the personal computer market before they split themselves too thin...

and haha, a 4GB model for $500? Weak.

8GB flash memory = $130
The phone itself costs ~$400 I'd wager.

Ohhhhhh, bitches.

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I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.

That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2007, 10:17:19 pm »
Lack luster.

Touchscreen mp3 players? Done.
Widescreen mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players and a touch screen? Done.

Oh lord the scratches that thing will endure.

They call this revolutionary? They took a mashup of ideas and made them into one thing.

Mobile OSX? Not done.
A phone that sexy looking? Not done.

Plus having tomtom in that will totally own my current VZNavigator on my Chocolate. Not that I'll be getting one anytime soon.


And, nslay, please tell me how to build a "high end" computer for the $400 my XBox 360 cost me.

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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2007, 11:02:42 pm »
Lack luster.

Touchscreen mp3 players? Done.
Widescreen mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players? Done.
Phones with mp3 players and a touch screen? Done.

Oh lord the scratches that thing will endure.

They call this revolutionary? They took a mashup of ideas and made them into one thing.

Mobile OSX? Not done.
A phone that sexy looking? Not done.

Plus having tomtom in that will totally own my current VZNavigator on my Chocolate. Not that I'll be getting one anytime soon.


And, nslay, please tell me how to build a "high end" computer for the $400 my XBox 360 cost me.
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2007, 12:30:23 am »
Mobile OSX? Not done.

The core of OSX is essentially Unix. Mobile Unix has been done before. NetBSD is a prime example of portability. :)

A phone that sexy looking? Not done.

Subjective opinion. Heh. I personally think it has the same shitty OSX interface that OSX has.

The phone seems huge, too. In an age where everything tries to be small (the shuffle?) the iPhone comes out and fills your hand.

Apparently it's only a bit bigger than a normal iPod. Just about as thin, too. Heh. The photo just distorts it. :(
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[17:33:02] <xar> me and newby rule all

I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.

That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2007, 12:43:10 am »
Subjective opinion.

redundant restatement.  hehe, just kidding. :)

yeah, I'd never buy one of these things.  they're pretty nice, I guess, but I'd rather separate my phone and my music player.  I kind of like having the ability to view photos and videos on my iPod, though.

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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2007, 12:45:21 am »
I got rid of my SmartPhone for a reason. My dad switched providers. I had to! I want it back.

They should make this iPhone part-vibrator and just market it as the iBrator. It'll get all the teenage girls. And kill the vibrator industry.

The iPhone reminds me of those printers/scanners/faxes that are 3-in-1. They're all mediocre at what they do. If you got three separate entities, they would do their job a lot better.
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[17:33:02] <xar> me and newby rule all

I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.

That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2007, 01:23:10 am »
I got rid of my SmartPhone for a reason. My dad switched providers. I had to! I want it back.

They should make this iPhone part-vibrator and just market it as the iBrator. It'll get all the teenage girls. And kill the vibrator industry.
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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2007, 01:28:47 am »
I got rid of my SmartPhone for a reason. My dad switched providers. I had to! I want it back.

They should make this iPhone part-vibrator and just market it as the iBrator. It'll get all the teenage girls. And kill the vibrator industry.

The iPhone reminds me of those printers/scanners/faxes that are 3-in-1. They're all mediocre at what they do. If you got three separate entities, they would do their job a lot better.

The multifunction printer units are great, I think.  If you need something that preforms really well (ie an awesome scanner), then you should buy a separate one.  However, that doesn't mean everyone that needs a scanner will want one that does a really good job.  I have a 3-in-1 printer and it works really well for everything I need it to.  Sure, I notice some lacking quality, but it doesn't bother me.  They're perfect for a college student. :P

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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2007, 01:36:27 am »
Much like the iPhone will fill a niche. Buying an iPod, or a regular cell phone, or even a PDA, will function better if you need that specific aspect of it.

If only Apple could hype up OS X as much as they already have the iPhone.... they might actually sell enough copies of OS X (and their computers) to actually make some noise in marketshare on the desktop! Microsoft might actually go "hey, look, apple finally got 2%."

Sadly, Firefox managed to burn up marketshare against IE faster than Apple ever will against Windows with OS X. And Firefox was not backed by a multi-million dollar corporation. :|
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[17:33:02] <xar> me and newby rule all

I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.

That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2007, 01:39:52 am »
Much like the iPhone will fill a niche. Buying an iPod, or a regular cell phone, or even a PDA, will function better if you need that specific aspect of it.

iPhones are hardly a budget item, though...

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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2007, 01:42:26 am »
they're pretty nice, I guess, but I'd rather separate my phone and my music player
I wish the memory was larger.  I dislike on 8gb as I generally like to have EVERYTHING on my iPod so I can jam to whatever whenever.

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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2007, 01:44:10 am »
I wish the memory was larger.  I dislike on 8gb as I generally like to have EVERYTHING on my iPod so I can jam to whatever whenever.

Yeah, that part really sucks, I agree.

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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2007, 02:52:30 am »
Other atrocities include PS3 and Xbox3.  Not only do they cost more than a high end home built computer, but they do absolutely EVERYTHNG a game console shouldn't be doing!  Why do simple ideas like "game console" and "phone" become "game/dvd player/computer/internet browser/mp3 player console" and "PDA/digital camera/video viewer/mp3 player phone"?  By God, and in my humble opinion, when I want a phone, I want just that - A PHONE ... they already sell PDAs, mp3 players, video viewers, and digital cameras and these standalone products usually do a better job at their purpose than the cell phone. 

You know, in the very end...I say we scrap the phone idea.  Lets make something new, call it Thing, or Object and just append every possible conceivable function into it.  Object can be used to open cans, or it can be used as a spoon,  it can take pictures, play movies, be used to shave, have bluetooth and USB, hold files, play mp3s, run Windows, play PSP, DS, XBox, PS2/3, and Computer games, runs Linux, has a toilet paper dispenser, can be worn as a hat or shoe , be used as an umbrella, print documents ... oh and I almost forgot, Object comes with a knife.  Everyone would have an Object, and no other product would ever be needed to do anything else since Object does everything.
Actually, my Xbox 360 has gotten much more use than just the video game device.  Sure, it's a functional video game device and I get plenty of use out of it in that capacity.  But we also appreciate the media center capabilities it has for several reasons:
-- The wireless network in my house supports streaming music to it from any of my roommates' PCs as well as my own.  We use this whenever we have a party since my Xbox, TV, and audio receiver are in the central location in the house, whereas our computers are all in our rooms or the den.
-- Having DVD features on the Xbox is handy because it frees up a device input.  I don't know how many audio receivers you can afford, but the fiber optic inputs on mine are the least-repeated features (that is, there are seven input channels available, but only four have fiber optic input).  Eliminating the need for a separate DVD player freed up an optical connection as well as the necessary cabling to support it (since the Xbox 360 already supports fiber obtic output for audio).
-- HD-DVD support on the Xbox 360 and Blu-Ray support for the PS3 make them the cheapest players for their respective brands.
-- The Xbox 360 also supports Windows Media Center Extender functionality out of the box for Windows Media Center Edition PCs.  There are a LOT of these out there.  My house has classic, analog cable - this functionality allows us (for the cost of a TV tuner card) to add the nice features of digital cable and Tivo to our basic cable system and not have to relocate the PC or anything like that.  Until I built my new computer and repurposed the media center PC to be a centralized file server, this would have only been available via the Xbox 360.  (Incidentally, it still is only available through the 360, but in theory it *could* be connected directly to the TV).  Especially with the widespread release of Windows Media Center Edition on new PCs (rather than XP Home Edition) and the undoubted mass-market manufacture of Windows Vista Home Premium, TV functionality will be coming into the mainstream for PCs sooner than later if Microsoft can get TV tuner manufacturers to make something worth buying.  It's still more practical for people with a 360, though, to use the PC and 360 extender than have a dedicated appliance.
-- I'm the kind of person who is interested in video game development.  Down the line I might like to look into that.  Oh, look, my Xbox 360 supports that functionality through the Game Studio Express package.  I don't even need to mod the box to put my own software on that.
-- Especially once I get a big screen TV, I think it would be preferable to me to use the 360 as an internet browser, especially if you're doing something social and don't want to get up to look something up on your PC.  Fortunately, this functionality is also available through Media Center extensions.
-- It's able to play videos, pictures, and music directly from USB now, so if someone brings something over on a USB stick, we don't need to put it onto the file server or another computer first.  Bluetooth would be handy too, but I don't think it's fast enough nor has enough market penetration (I remember when my networking teacher said it was the wave of the future, lol) to be a worthwhile feature.

So, there is something to be said for having a device that can be as varied in function to include playing games, videos, DVDs, photos, music, browse the internet, and the like.  In terms of shaving or using it as an umbrella, well, I think you have psychological issues.

Now, to comment on the iPhone - I think that it looks really neat (it has a certain techie sex appeal), but I would be concerned with the #1 thing that I'm always concerned about with both my phone and my iPod - battery life.  If I'm listening to music then I'm going to be depleting my phone battery.  I'll stick with my Razr for now - I get about 2 days of use out of a charge.
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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2007, 07:58:13 am »
The iPhone definitely isn't an iPod killer or anything that would require most people who would be enthusiastic about buying this (current iPod/Mac owners) to give up their iPod. It shows us what the nextgen iPod could look like (totally awesome?) but the 8gb memory leaves much to be desired. Next year the iPhone may be something I look into, as the phone/pda functionality would help me in college. The fact that it has multiple things in one is what appeals to me, and in fact it saves space because instead of having to carry 3 devices around I'll only have to carry one. Though, my Verizon contract isn't up for another year and a half - and as long as my parents continue to pay my phone bill I'm staying at whatever company they use. So....Apple needs to get on a standalone PDA.

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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2007, 11:45:54 am »
I got rid of my SmartPhone for a reason. My dad switched providers. I had to! I want it back.

They should make this iPhone part-vibrator and just market it as the iBrator. It'll get all the teenage girls. And kill the vibrator industry.

The iPhone reminds me of those printers/scanners/faxes that are 3-in-1. They're all mediocre at what they do. If you got three separate entities, they would do their job a lot better.

The stock market would beg to differ, I think.  Apple is up, up, up, and traditional smartphone makers are down.

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« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2007, 12:53:41 pm »
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« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2007, 01:09:24 pm »
Mobile OSX? Not done.

The core of OSX is essentially Unix. Mobile Unix has been done before. NetBSD is a prime example of portability. :)

A phone that sexy looking? Not done.

Subjective opinion. Heh. I personally think it has the same shitty OSX interface that OSX has.

The phone seems huge, too. In an age where everything tries to be small (the shuffle?) the iPhone comes out and fills your hand.

Apparently it's only a bit bigger than a normal iPod. Just about as thin, too. Heh. The photo just distorts it. :(


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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2007, 03:02:28 pm »
Other atrocities include PS3 and Xbox3.  Not only do they cost more than a high end home built computer, but they do absolutely EVERYTHNG a game console shouldn't be doing!  Why do simple ideas like "game console" and "phone" become "game/dvd player/computer/internet browser/mp3 player console" and "PDA/digital camera/video viewer/mp3 player phone"?  By God, and in my humble opinion, when I want a phone, I want just that - A PHONE ... they already sell PDAs, mp3 players, video viewers, and digital cameras and these standalone products usually do a better job at their purpose than the cell phone. 

You know, in the very end...I say we scrap the phone idea.  Lets make something new, call it Thing, or Object and just append every possible conceivable function into it.  Object can be used to open cans, or it can be used as a spoon,  it can take pictures, play movies, be used to shave, have bluetooth and USB, hold files, play mp3s, run Windows, play PSP, DS, XBox, PS2/3, and Computer games, runs Linux, has a toilet paper dispenser, can be worn as a hat or shoe , be used as an umbrella, print documents ... oh and I almost forgot, Object comes with a knife.  Everyone would have an Object, and no other product would ever be needed to do anything else since Object does everything.
Actually, my Xbox 360 has gotten much more use than just the video game device.  Sure, it's a functional video game device and I get plenty of use out of it in that capacity.  But we also appreciate the media center capabilities it has for several reasons:
-- The wireless network in my house supports streaming music to it from any of my roommates' PCs as well as my own.  We use this whenever we have a party since my Xbox, TV, and audio receiver are in the central location in the house, whereas our computers are all in our rooms or the den.
-- Having DVD features on the Xbox is handy because it frees up a device input.  I don't know how many audio receivers you can afford, but the fiber optic inputs on mine are the least-repeated features (that is, there are seven input channels available, but only four have fiber optic input).  Eliminating the need for a separate DVD player freed up an optical connection as well as the necessary cabling to support it (since the Xbox 360 already supports fiber obtic output for audio).
-- HD-DVD support on the Xbox 360 and Blu-Ray support for the PS3 make them the cheapest players for their respective brands.
-- The Xbox 360 also supports Windows Media Center Extender functionality out of the box for Windows Media Center Edition PCs.  There are a LOT of these out there.  My house has classic, analog cable - this functionality allows us (for the cost of a TV tuner card) to add the nice features of digital cable and Tivo to our basic cable system and not have to relocate the PC or anything like that.  Until I built my new computer and repurposed the media center PC to be a centralized file server, this would have only been available via the Xbox 360.  (Incidentally, it still is only available through the 360, but in theory it *could* be connected directly to the TV).  Especially with the widespread release of Windows Media Center Edition on new PCs (rather than XP Home Edition) and the undoubted mass-market manufacture of Windows Vista Home Premium, TV functionality will be coming into the mainstream for PCs sooner than later if Microsoft can get TV tuner manufacturers to make something worth buying.  It's still more practical for people with a 360, though, to use the PC and 360 extender than have a dedicated appliance.
-- I'm the kind of person who is interested in video game development.  Down the line I might like to look into that.  Oh, look, my Xbox 360 supports that functionality through the Game Studio Express package.  I don't even need to mod the box to put my own software on that.
-- Especially once I get a big screen TV, I think it would be preferable to me to use the 360 as an internet browser, especially if you're doing something social and don't want to get up to look something up on your PC.  Fortunately, this functionality is also available through Media Center extensions.
-- It's able to play videos, pictures, and music directly from USB now, so if someone brings something over on a USB stick, we don't need to put it onto the file server or another computer first.  Bluetooth would be handy too, but I don't think it's fast enough nor has enough market penetration (I remember when my networking teacher said it was the wave of the future, lol) to be a worthwhile feature.

So, there is something to be said for having a device that can be as varied in function to include playing games, videos, DVDs, photos, music, browse the internet, and the like.  In terms of shaving or using it as an umbrella, well, I think you have psychological issues.

Now, to comment on the iPhone - I think that it looks really neat (it has a certain techie sex appeal), but I would be concerned with the #1 thing that I'm always concerned about with both my phone and my iPod - battery life.  If I'm listening to music then I'm going to be depleting my phone battery.  I'll stick with my Razr for now - I get about 2 days of use out of a charge.

-- A computer is designed to be able to do programmable and general tasks, thats what makes it a computer and not a game console, phone or toaster.  I see a trend where everything is converging to computing ... but I truly think that things like phones and game consoles should be left out.  There was nothing wrong with phones before they could watch videos, take pictures, listen to mp3s or browse the internet ... very few people I know actually use these features, and a majority of people I see on campus use an iPod to listen to their music.  Why would you use a game console to browse the web, look at pictures, or stream radio?  Why not use D-Link's or Linksys's specially designed Media Centers?  Wii seems to be successful and it does none of these things, costs a fraction of the price, and all it does is play games ... why else would you have a game console?  Much like, why would you want a board game that could be used as a cutting board and a place mat?  Such features have nothing to do with board games ... notice that I don't complain about bluetooth headsets for phones, how natural is that?  Then ask yourself, how natural an idea it is to incorporate cameras into phones?  How natural is it to add mp3 player functionality to a game console? 
-- My sister's husband is a game developer ... its a very hard career to pursue, not because its hard per ce, but because a game developer job is unstable ... it's very common for game studios to go under or lay off employees (many will additionally work you hard on occasion ... say 60 hour weeks).  All I can say is, pursue game development if you really love it, that is why my sister's husband does it.  As for game development on Xbox360 ... you could also write games on the PC and even before the Xbox existed, I don't see why this is anymore revolutionary.

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« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2007, 03:12:54 pm »
Browsing the internet from a cell phone is definately useful. I'd love to check my email on the go.. in fact I'd even check my email from my phone instead of my computer while sitting at my desk if I had the choice. And checking my email at lunch would be nice, considiering even if I had a car it's a 15 minute ride one way to my house, so I'd run in, check my email, start a reply but realize I'm out of time, book it back to my car and speed to be back on time -- very impractical.
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« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2007, 03:25:29 pm »
Wii seems to be successful and it does none of these things, costs a fraction of the price, and all it does is play games ... why else would you have a game console? 

Actually the Wii has a weather forecast, will have a news feed, and an Opera browser. What do they have to do with gaming?

Furthermore, even if you don't use all of the features all the time it's still nice to have. On my phone (Chocolate) I have a microsd card with a few songs on it. I don't usually use the mp3 features of the phone since I have a computer and iPod, however sometimes at work my friend and I will play a song into the microphone in one of the banquet rooms while we're setting up. The fact that you have the feature there if you need it is great. Phones worked just fine before you could get GPS software on them, but I don't know how many times VZNavigator has saved me and it's a very commonly used program of mine. The fact that iPhone allows basically seamless integration with other parts of your life (esp if you have a mac) is great and it's a feature that's there if you need it. With Mac's being able to have Windows now as well as OSX many people are making the switch (I'll most likely be getting one for college, unless I find a tablet I like more). That's another great example, you don't need a computer that's able to boot Mac and Windows...but it's definitely an added convenience. And isn't that what technology is all about? Convenience?

Mankind got along just fine before electricity, just as we did just fine without the ability to check our email from our phone; but should we get rid of electricity?

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« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2007, 03:26:04 pm »
Browsing the internet from a cell phone is definately useful. I'd love to check my email on the go.. in fact I'd even check my email from my phone instead of my computer while sitting at my desk if I had the choice. And checking my email at lunch would be nice, considiering even if I had a car it's a 15 minute ride one way to my house, so I'd run in, check my email, start a reply but realize I'm out of time, book it back to my car and speed to be back on time -- very impractical.

Oh yes, cause you can always reply on phone's 0-9, *, # dialpad in the knick of time instead of on mobile computers (PDAs, Laptops, etc) that are suited to such tasks.
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« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2007, 03:27:14 pm »
Browsing the internet from a cell phone is definately useful. I'd love to check my email on the go.. in fact I'd even check my email from my phone instead of my computer while sitting at my desk if I had the choice. And checking my email at lunch would be nice, considiering even if I had a car it's a 15 minute ride one way to my house, so I'd run in, check my email, start a reply but realize I'm out of time, book it back to my car and speed to be back on time -- very impractical.

Oh yes, cause you can always reply on phone's 0-9, *, # dialpad in the knick of time instead of on mobile computers (PDAs, Laptops, etc) that are suited to such tasks.

The iPhone has a touchscreen QWERTY keyboard.

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« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2007, 03:39:41 pm »
Wii seems to be successful and it does none of these things, costs a fraction of the price, and all it does is play games ... why else would you have a game console? 

Actually the Wii has a weather forecast, will have a news feed, and an Opera browser. What do they have to do with gaming?

Furthermore, even if you don't use all of the features all the time it's still nice to have. On my phone (Chocolate) I have a microsd card with a few songs on it. I don't usually use the mp3 features of the phone since I have a computer and iPod, however sometimes at work my friend and I will play a song into the microphone in one of the banquet rooms while we're setting up. The fact that you have the feature there if you need it is great. Phones worked just fine before you could get GPS software on them, but I don't know how many times VZNavigator has saved me and it's a very commonly used program of mine. The fact that iPhone allows basically seamless integration with other parts of your life (esp if you have a mac) is great and it's a feature that's there if you need it. With Mac's being able to have Windows now as well as OSX many people are making the switch (I'll most likely be getting one for college, unless I find a tablet I like more). That's another great example, you don't need a computer that's able to boot Mac and Windows...but it's definitely an added convenience. And isn't that what technology is all about? Convenience?

Mankind got along just fine before electricity, just as we did just fine without the ability to check our email from our phone; but should we get rid of electricity?

I agree, its nice to have lots of features ... its much like a swiss army knife.  Now then, tell me why you don't play mp3s on your phone?  I would guess that your iPod is better at it.  An iPod is designed solely to play and store mp3s ...  I'd much rather have a solid product than a clunky and more expensive one that can do more things with mediocrity than tools designed for such a specific use.  I mean take for example, cameras...you could buy a high end digital camera for about the same price as some of these cell phones with less powerful cameras.
Yeah I knew about Opera ... but whether forecast?  Are you serious?  You sit in front of a TV to play Wii...is it such an inconvenience to turn to the Weather channel or at least walk to your computer and look it up?
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« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2007, 05:38:59 pm »
-- A computer is designed to be able to do programmable and general tasks, thats what makes it a computer and not a game console, phone or toaster.  I see a trend where everything is converging to computing ... but I truly think that things like phones and game consoles should be left out.  There was nothing wrong with phones before they could watch videos, take pictures, listen to mp3s or browse the internet ... very few people I know actually use these features, and a majority of people I see on campus use an iPod to listen to their music.  Why would you use a game console to browse the web, look at pictures, or stream radio?  Why not use D-Link's or Linksys's specially designed Media Centers?  Wii seems to be successful and it does none of these things, costs a fraction of the price, and all it does is play games ... why else would you have a game console?  Much like, why would you want a board game that could be used as a cutting board and a place mat?  Such features have nothing to do with board games ... notice that I don't complain about bluetooth headsets for phones, how natural is that?  Then ask yourself, how natural an idea it is to incorporate cameras into phones?  How natural is it to add mp3 player functionality to a game console? 
You didn't really address any of the features that I said I use or the concerns that I raised.  Why should I drop $300-$600 for an additional, standalone Media Center device that will use yet another one of my fiber-optic connections to my audio receiver?

The Wii costs $250.  The Xbox 360 costs $300.  The Wii is not really a "fraction" of the price unless you consider "5/6" to be a "fraction" in the dramatic sense that you seemed to imply.

Particularly since MP3s are great containers for audio used by many game studios, it seems like adding MP3 playing functionality to a game console is an extremely natural step.
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« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2007, 06:02:54 pm »
Browsing the internet from a cell phone is definately useful. I'd love to check my email on the go.. in fact I'd even check my email from my phone instead of my computer while sitting at my desk if I had the choice. And checking my email at lunch would be nice, considiering even if I had a car it's a 15 minute ride one way to my house, so I'd run in, check my email, start a reply but realize I'm out of time, book it back to my car and speed to be back on time -- very impractical.

On a serious note, you aren't anybody important - so you checking your e-mails 15 minutes sooner won't make or break anyone.  Now, for someone who runs a company or small business of some sort, or someone like a Governor the e-mail may be something useful.  And that wasn't meant to put YOU down, I just used you as an example.

This is just another one of those things that will make people lazier and another distraction on the road.
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« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2007, 06:08:43 pm »
Browsing the internet from a cell phone is definately useful. I'd love to check my email on the go.. in fact I'd even check my email from my phone instead of my computer while sitting at my desk if I had the choice. And checking my email at lunch would be nice, considiering even if I had a car it's a 15 minute ride one way to my house, so I'd run in, check my email, start a reply but realize I'm out of time, book it back to my car and speed to be back on time -- very impractical.

On a serious note, you aren't anybody important - so you checking your e-mails 15 minutes sooner won't make or break anyone.  Now, for someone who runs a company or small business of some sort, or someone like a Governor the e-mail may be something useful.  And that wasn't meant to put YOU down, I just used you as an example.

This is just another one of those things that will make people lazier and another distraction on the road.
It can't make anyone more lazy or add as a distraction while drive because (as said before) these things already exist, just in seperate devices (sometimes not even then)

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I agree, its nice to have lots of features ... its much like a swiss army knife.  Now then, tell me why you don't play mp3s on your phone?  I would guess that your iPod is better at it.  An iPod is designed solely to play and store mp3s ...  I'd much rather have a solid product than a clunky and more expensive one that can do more things with mediocrity than tools designed for such a specific use.

Because I'm too cheap to buy the Verizon media software which means I have to take our my microSD card and put it in an SD adapter and then put it in a USB SD Card stick and then put it in the USB drive and then manually transfer songs to it and then take it back out and put it back in my phone. That's the reason. Plus it's only a 512mb one so my 30gb iPod can hold alot more songs. An 8gig iPhone is more than enough for most people (I've only used about 10gb on my iPod and it's mostly music I don't listen to, and I expect the iPhone capacity to increase.)

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Yes, but camera phones are cheap these days and many carriers offer them for free with a contract. A camera phone is a great tool because your phone is much lighter and portable than a regular camera and it's something you'll almost always have. For example today something funny happened at work and I wanted a picture, I used my camera phone because my digital camera isn't something I carry around with me unless I'm going on a trip or something.

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Yeah I knew about Opera ... but whether forecast?  Are you serious?  You sit in front of a TV to play Wii...is it such an inconvenience to turn to the Weather channel or at least walk to your computer and look it up?

Yes I'm serious, weather forecast was the first Wii channel Nintendo released aside from Mii and the Wii store. I only brought it up because of you tooting Wii as a no-frills-added video game system. Unfortunately, Nintendo recognized that the Wii has the ability to have cool little addons and it took advantage of that. It makes it easy for someone to look at the weather without leaving their current location or turning off the console.

Another example is my current firefox setup. I have the weather forecast plugin installed so that I don't have to load up a website or turn on the TV. It's not something I need but it's certainly time consuming and convenient.

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« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2007, 08:05:36 pm »
I agree, its nice to have lots of features ... its much like a swiss army knife.  Now then, tell me why you don't play mp3s on your phone?  I would guess that your iPod is better at it.  An iPod is designed solely to play and store mp3s ...  I'd much rather have a solid product than a clunky and more expensive one that can do more things with mediocrity than tools designed for such a specific use.

Because I'm too cheap to buy the Verizon media software which means I have to take our my microSD card and put it in an SD adapter and then put it in a USB SD Card stick and then put it in the USB drive and then manually transfer songs to it and then take it back out and put it back in my phone. That's the reason. Plus it's only a 512mb one so my 30gb iPod can hold alot more songs. An 8gig iPhone is more than enough for most people (I've only used about 10gb on my iPod and it's mostly music I don't listen to, and I expect the iPhone capacity to increase.)

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Yes, but camera phones are cheap these days and many carriers offer them for free with a contract. A camera phone is a great tool because your phone is much lighter and portable than a regular camera and it's something you'll almost always have. For example today something funny happened at work and I wanted a picture, I used my camera phone because my digital camera isn't something I carry around with me unless I'm going on a trip or something.

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Yeah I knew about Opera ... but whether forecast?  Are you serious?  You sit in front of a TV to play Wii...is it such an inconvenience to turn to the Weather channel or at least walk to your computer and look it up?

Yes I'm serious, weather forecast was the first Wii channel Nintendo released aside from Mii and the Wii store. I only brought it up because of you tooting Wii as a no-frills-added video game system. Unfortunately, Nintendo recognized that the Wii has the ability to have cool little addons and it took advantage of that. It makes it easy for someone to look at the weather without leaving their current location or turning off the console.

Another example is my current firefox setup. I have the weather forecast plugin installed so that I don't have to load up a website or turn on the TV. It's not something I need but it's certainly time consuming and convenient.

@ necessity ... thats not the point I was trying to make.  I'm trying to point out that I think its incredibly dumb to have some of these features built into tools that aren't even remotely related.  And you don't have to turn the console off to view television, jeez.  I still can't imagine how anybody would surf the net with a game console...especially with my experience with Microsoft's Ultimate TV, a Tivo-like system that did some of these things.  It even came with a real keyboard ... but it didn't seem to integrate well with TV.
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« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2007, 08:22:27 pm »
-- A computer is designed to be able to do programmable and general tasks, thats what makes it a computer and not a game console, phone or toaster.  I see a trend where everything is converging to computing ... but I truly think that things like phones and game consoles should be left out.  There was nothing wrong with phones before they could watch videos, take pictures, listen to mp3s or browse the internet ... very few people I know actually use these features, and a majority of people I see on campus use an iPod to listen to their music.  Why would you use a game console to browse the web, look at pictures, or stream radio?  Why not use D-Link's or Linksys's specially designed Media Centers?  Wii seems to be successful and it does none of these things, costs a fraction of the price, and all it does is play games ... why else would you have a game console?  Much like, why would you want a board game that could be used as a cutting board and a place mat?  Such features have nothing to do with board games ... notice that I don't complain about bluetooth headsets for phones, how natural is that?  Then ask yourself, how natural an idea it is to incorporate cameras into phones?  How natural is it to add mp3 player functionality to a game console? 
You didn't really address any of the features that I said I use or the concerns that I raised.  Why should I drop $300-$600 for an additional, standalone Media Center device that will use yet another one of my fiber-optic connections to my audio receiver?

The Wii costs $250.  The Xbox 360 costs $300.  The Wii is not really a "fraction" of the price unless you consider "5/6" to be a "fraction" in the dramatic sense that you seemed to imply.

Particularly since MP3s are great containers for audio used by many game studios, it seems like adding MP3 playing functionality to a game console is an extremely natural step.

Yeah, I noticed you forgot the two nines from the xbox price ... at least I had remembered it being $399.  I did a little reading and Best Buy does indeed sell Xbox 360 for $300, but I also read from xbox's site, that it was initially $399.  Wii only recently came out and I would expect it drop in price too.
Additionally, I checked D-Link's Wireless Media Players ...one of these media players can be found for less than $200 and even offers High Definition and integrates with your home network, audio system, and TV.  I don't know where you got $600 from since none of them exceeds $400.  Regardless, I can't neglect your situation with fiber optic cables ... but I do still feel strongly that Xbox 360 and PS3 are trying to be what a computer is supposed to be rather than a game console ... I was a little vague in my original response, but thats what I was trying to get across.  You could have easily hooked up a computer to your entertainment system and had similar and much more functional system, but at the loss of the ability to play Xbox games.  You could even buy a bluetooth mouse and keyboard and use your TV as though it were a computer ... it would integrate well with Windows XP MCA.
As for bluray, you are right about the low price and both companies are taking losses selling these systems ... they hope to make the money back selling games.  My mother's friend bought one of these systems just as a bluray DVD player, not even to play games :P
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« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2007, 08:27:44 pm »
-- A computer is designed to be able to do programmable and general tasks, thats what makes it a computer and not a game console, phone or toaster.  I see a trend where everything is converging to computing ... but I truly think that things like phones and game consoles should be left out.  There was nothing wrong with phones before they could watch videos, take pictures, listen to mp3s or browse the internet ... very few people I know actually use these features, and a majority of people I see on campus use an iPod to listen to their music.  Why would you use a game console to browse the web, look at pictures, or stream radio?  Why not use D-Link's or Linksys's specially designed Media Centers?  Wii seems to be successful and it does none of these things, costs a fraction of the price, and all it does is play games ... why else would you have a game console?  Much like, why would you want a board game that could be used as a cutting board and a place mat?  Such features have nothing to do with board games ... notice that I don't complain about bluetooth headsets for phones, how natural is that?  Then ask yourself, how natural an idea it is to incorporate cameras into phones?  How natural is it to add mp3 player functionality to a game console? 
You didn't really address any of the features that I said I use or the concerns that I raised.  Why should I drop $300-$600 for an additional, standalone Media Center device that will use yet another one of my fiber-optic connections to my audio receiver?

The Wii costs $250.  The Xbox 360 costs $300.  The Wii is not really a "fraction" of the price unless you consider "5/6" to be a "fraction" in the dramatic sense that you seemed to imply.

Particularly since MP3s are great containers for audio used by many game studios, it seems like adding MP3 playing functionality to a game console is an extremely natural step.

Yeah, I noticed you forgot the two nines from the xbox price ... at least I had remembered it being $399.  I did a little reading and Best Buy does indeed sell Xbox 360 for $300, but I also read from xbox's site, that it was initially $399. 
Get the store correct before you sarcastically challenge what I'm saying and try to make me look stupid.  The Xbox 360 came out in November 2005 at two price points: $299.99, for the "base" model, and $399.99, which included a hard drive and a media remote.  You could use Media Center functionality out of the box for the $299.99 model.

Wii only recently came out and I would expect it drop in price too.
Additionally, I checked D-Link's Wireless Media Players ...one of these media players can be found for less than $200 and even offers High Definition and integrates with your home network, audio system, and TV.  I don't know where you got $600 from since none of them exceeds $400. 
That's the price I'd pay to build my own appliance (I don't typically buy computers from the store).  But even at $200, a Wii + D-Link comes out at $50 more than the more expensive Xbox 360 unit and it takes up twice as much not only in terms of space, cabling, etc., but also things such as power adapters.

Regardless, I can't neglect your situation with fiber optic cables ... but I do still feel strongly that Xbox 360 and PS3 are trying to be what a computer is supposed to be rather than a game console ... I was a little vague in my original response, but thats what I was trying to get across.  You could have easily hooked up a computer to your entertainment system and had similar and much more functional system, but at the loss of the ability to play Xbox games.  You could even buy a bluetooth mouse and keyboard and use your TV as though it were a computer ... it would integrate well with Windows XP MCA.
Media Center Edition's functionality is entirely accessible through the Xbox 360, thus making the computer superfluous.
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Re: iPhone
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2007, 08:41:59 pm »
-- A computer is designed to be able to do programmable and general tasks, thats what makes it a computer and not a game console, phone or toaster.  I see a trend where everything is converging to computing ... but I truly think that things like phones and game consoles should be left out.  There was nothing wrong with phones before they could watch videos, take pictures, listen to mp3s or browse the internet ... very few people I know actually use these features, and a majority of people I see on campus use an iPod to listen to their music.  Why would you use a game console to browse the web, look at pictures, or stream radio?  Why not use D-Link's or Linksys's specially designed Media Centers?  Wii seems to be successful and it does none of these things, costs a fraction of the price, and all it does is play games ... why else would you have a game console?  Much like, why would you want a board game that could be used as a cutting board and a place mat?  Such features have nothing to do with board games ... notice that I don't complain about bluetooth headsets for phones, how natural is that?  Then ask yourself, how natural an idea it is to incorporate cameras into phones?  How natural is it to add mp3 player functionality to a game console? 
You didn't really address any of the features that I said I use or the concerns that I raised.  Why should I drop $300-$600 for an additional, standalone Media Center device that will use yet another one of my fiber-optic connections to my audio receiver?

The Wii costs $250.  The Xbox 360 costs $300.  The Wii is not really a "fraction" of the price unless you consider "5/6" to be a "fraction" in the dramatic sense that you seemed to imply.

Particularly since MP3s are great containers for audio used by many game studios, it seems like adding MP3 playing functionality to a game console is an extremely natural step.

Yeah, I noticed you forgot the two nines from the xbox price ... at least I had remembered it being $399.  I did a little reading and Best Buy does indeed sell Xbox 360 for $300, but I also read from xbox's site, that it was initially $399. 
Get the store correct before you sarcastically challenge what I'm saying and try to make me look stupid.  The Xbox 360 came out in November 2005 at two price points: $299.99, for the "base" model, and $399.99, which included a hard drive and a media remote.  You could use Media Center functionality out of the box for the $299.99 model.

Nobody has sarcastically challenged you ... the only one here on the offense is you.  I have admitted myself wrong where necessary, and I have done my best looking for sources.  You have insulted me (@ psychological state comment) and misconstrued my posts.  I still hold my view that PS 3 and XBox 360 are trying to be what computers are, rather than being game consoles ... I believe this should be fairly obvious by how you described your setup.  Additionally I still believe that many features in cell phones are redundant.  I personally would rather have a game console that just played games, I wouldn't value features like weather forecasting, ability to browse the net, and so forth in a game console since I can accomplish these things far more easily on my computer.
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« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2007, 11:45:14 pm »
It has been officially announced, and it just oozes sex appeal. I love it.

Link: http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/

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Re: iPhone
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2007, 02:20:06 am »
It has been officially announced, and it just oozes sex appeal. I love it.

Link: http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/

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Yeah, I think Joe's about all we can handle.  ;)

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Re: iPhone
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2007, 12:26:51 pm »
It has been officially announced, and it just oozes sex appeal. I love it.

Link: http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/

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This is why I like x86 forums. At SB there are just dumbasses who say 'z0mg they stole teh name!!!!111 apple is teh sux!!!!1111oneoneleveln', here people actually have a brain.

What part about them stealing the name of another phone is hard for you to understand? Cisco was more than happy enough to give them rights and even collaborate with them, but Apple decided to do their own thing.

If the people at SB are so bad, then it should be trivial for you to mount an argument right? Or do you just flock with the rest of the sheep who like Apple and all drool over your abominations together?
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« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2007, 05:34:45 pm »
No no Warrior, you misunderstood me. I am not denying that Apple stole the iPhone nor that is was stupid to use it even thought it was owned by Cisco. I was simply saying that people at SB are idiots and you can't have a simple discussion with them