Virginia Tech Shooting

[Blaze]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html

[CrAz3D]

I was just about to post that, holy crap

I can't imagine what those families are going through, if they've all been notified by the school or saw it on TV

[trust]

Yeah it's crazy, I saw this when I was walking into class today. I checked in with my buddy from lacrosse and he's ok so that's good.

[CrAz3D]

I've read on Fark and @ my F150Online forums people commenting about guns on campus.
...and ya know, I think it'd be a good idea to allow it.

Criminals bring guns where ever they want as it is, so, why not let law abiding ADULTS carry weapons?

[trust]

I've read on Fark and @ my F150Online forums people commenting about guns on campus.
...and ya know, I think it'd be a good idea to allow it.

Criminals bring guns where ever they want as it is, so, why not let law abiding ADULTS carry weapons?

Guns are allowed at H-SC.

(only rifles though, in the gun locker. for hunting, and I guess for the future shooting range/clay pigeon range)

[Hitmen]

I've read on Fark and @ my F150Online forums people commenting about guns on campus.
...and ya know, I think it'd be a good idea to allow it.

Criminals bring guns where ever they want as it is, so, why not let law abiding ADULTS carry weapons?

Because although college kids might legally be adults, the vast majority of them are still immature idiots.

[Blaze]

I've read on Fark and @ my F150Online forums people commenting about guns on campus.
...and ya know, I think it'd be a good idea to allow it.

Criminals bring guns where ever they want as it is, so, why not let law abiding ADULTS carry weapons?

Because college kids might legally be adults, the vast majority of them are still immature idiots.

Quoted for truth.

[iago]

I've read on Fark and @ my F150Online forums people commenting about guns on campus.
...and ya know, I think it'd be a good idea to allow it.

Criminals bring guns where ever they want as it is, so, why not let law abiding ADULTS carry weapons?

Because although college kids might legally be adults, the vast majority of them are still immature idiots.

Yeah, but so are residents of (*replace with any state*), but they're allowed to carry guns!

[Newby]

Last I checked: 31 dead, 29 injured. Columbine, move over.

[Killer360]

I heard 33 died, 15 injured.

[rabbit]

Conversation with skyler on 4/16/2007 11:48:39 AM:
(11:48:39 AM) skyler: yo
(11:49:00 AM) thekingofbunnies: hey
(11:49:14 AM) skyler:  shooting on campus here
(11:49:22 AM) thekingofbunnies: vt?
(11:49:24 AM) skyler:  yea
(11:49:28 AM) thekingofbunnies: bleh
(11:49:33 AM) skyler:  one dead
(11:49:43 AM) skyler:  up to nine injured
(11:49:49 AM) thekingofbunnies: so i guess its safe to assume youre not one of the 10
(11:49:51 AM) thekingofbunnies: ?
(11:49:53 AM) skyler:  lol
(11:49:56 AM) skyler:  yea

Good to know my buddy is safe ^^

[Killer360]

Conversation with skyler on 4/16/2007 11:48:39 AM:
(11:48:39 AM) skyler: yo
(11:49:00 AM) thekingofbunnies: hey
(11:49:14 AM) skyler:  shooting on campus here
(11:49:22 AM) thekingofbunnies: vt?
(11:49:24 AM) skyler:  yea
(11:49:28 AM) thekingofbunnies: bleh
(11:49:33 AM) skyler:  one dead
(11:49:43 AM) skyler:  up to nine injured
(11:49:49 AM) thekingofbunnies: so i guess its safe to assume youre not one of the 10
(11:49:51 AM) thekingofbunnies: ?
(11:49:53 AM) skyler:  lol
(11:49:56 AM) skyler:  yea

Good to know my buddy is safe ^^

...

One dead? Wtf?

[Sidoh]

...

One dead? Wtf?

... 11:48:39 AM ...

[rabbit]

Yeah.  The news said 1 dead, 17 injured at about noon.  I guess he wasn't up to date right then :\

[CrAz3D]

man, 30+ dead.....
wonder what the motivation was

[rabbit]

It was clearly GTA.

[while1]

It's a shame that such hatred exists in this world. We go to college to enrich our future... yet there is no future if such hatred ends it prematurely.

This really hits close to home considering I have friends at VT and I go to VA university (not VT).

[BigAznDaddy]

It was clearly GTA.

thats what i was thinking of. anyways this is really bad so lets have a moment of silence for those who have died.

[Krazed]

Yea, I saw it this morning when I woke up at about 7am, 1 dead, 9 injured, then around 2:30 at my girlfriends, 33 dead, 15 injured. It's really a fucking terrible thing, this kid shoulda just killed himself, no lie.

[Quik]

Yea, I saw it this morning when I woke up at about 7am, 1 dead, 9 injured, then around 2:30 at my girlfriends, 33 dead, 15 injured. It's really a fucking terrible thing, this kid shoulda just killed himself, no lie.

He did, he just decided to kill 30 people in the process.

[Blaze]

Yea, I saw it this morning when I woke up at about 7am, 1 dead, 9 injured, then around 2:30 at my girlfriends, 33 dead, 15 injured. It's really a fucking terrible thing, this kid shoulda just killed himself, no lie.

He did, he just decided to kill 30 people in the process.

He'll be remembered.. not for the best reasons, though. 

[BigAznDaddy]

http://c.photos.cx/wanus-facebook-0b4.png

newby sent this to me... not sure if it is the guy or not.

[while1]

That link (well his facebook photo albums) has been linked on IRC a channels a lot.  I'm going to put my doubts in it being that guy.  Sure that guy is one interesting person but I don't think it's nice to jump to conclusions when there's really no hard evidence/information other than the fact he's "interesting".  Out of the 25k+ students (Alum and current students) at VT... come on someone could have just picked out the most interesting radical Asian dude on facebook.  You know how many Asians go to VT?  A LOT.

I'll wait for a press release once they identify the dead guy before starting to believe rumors about who the gunman is.

[rabbit]

If you look more closely at that picture, it says he is attending VT for grad school.

[while1]

If you look more closely at that picture, it says he is attending VT for grad school.

Yeah shit I just realized that.  Originally all I've seen is links to his photo albums and limited information (i.e. says "VT Alum '06") from peeps on IRC.  This is due to me not being in the VT network and facebook's privacy settings.

However, you know, it says he's currently working at IBM as an IT specialist.  Most grad students have jobs and lives outside of grad school.  They don't have as much social student-to-student interaction compared to undergrads.  Nor do they spend as much time outside of class, taking online courses, or doing research (the amount of this varies depending on the degree they're working towards I believe).  From everything I've heard the shooter, if he is indeed a student, is more likely to be a undergrad.

I still am very skeptical that, although he's pretty outspoken and has very interesting views/interests, it's him.

Again, there are a lot of Asians that go to VT and are on Facebook... you can go ahead and pick out the most radical Asian and speculate on who the shooter is based on that.  As far as I'm concerned that not enough to spread rumors on the internet and possibly ruin this guy's reputation both online, in academia, and in industry when he could be indeed innocent.

EDIT:  God I'm editing this way too much.  But anyways, thinking more about it, that dude looks like he has a lot going for him in the way of his career, academics, and life in general than a lot of college students I know/can think of.  This makes me question whether this guy would snap and give everything up like the gunman did.

[Newby]

Yeah, that came around on a few channels on IRC.

[BigAznDaddy]

i was watching the news and it said the guy shot pistols so my question is...why would he use a pistol when he has subs and rifles in his possession? makes no sense to me; i mean if he really wanted to kill people he would use a BFG not some crummy pistol. http://vt.facebook.com/photos.php?id=6202368&l=d1b29 well thats my opinion but the real shooter has not been identified yet so no jumping to conclusions.

[Super_X]

I don't think that the face book guy is him. He seems to be to up-beet for that. Just because he collects guns doesn't mean that he will kill people with them. And, if he did do it, why would he show them off so easily.

[CrAz3D]

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658


From January 31, 2006


31stGun bill gets shot down by panel
HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.
By Greg Esposito
  381-1675

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.

Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."

The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.

Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.

In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.

[Sidoh]

Yeah, I don't think there should ever be handguns allowed on a college campus...

[iago]

i was watching the news and it said the guy shot pistols so my question is...why would he use a pistol when he has subs and rifles in his possession? makes no sense to me; i mean if he really wanted to kill people he would use a BFG not some crummy pistol. http://vt.facebook.com/photos.php?id=6202368&l=d1b29 well thats my opinion but the real shooter has not been identified yet so no jumping to conclusions.

Pistols are more personal. It's like a psychological thing.

[BigAznDaddy]

Pistols are more personal. It's like a psychological thing.

true.. but if he wanted to see the people's faces as they dies why not use a knife or a cross bow... that has more "o you shot me" effect

[CrAz3D]

Yeah, I don't think there should ever be handguns allowed on a college campus...

outta curiosity, why?

arent college students generally more reasonable than non-educated and ignorant types?

[Sidoh]

outta curiosity, why?

arent college students generally more reasonable than non-educated and ignorant types?

Because it's an inherently high-stress environment.  Most other places are too, I guess, but in college, you're under constant and explicit evaluation.

[CrAz3D]

outta curiosity, why?

arent college students generally more reasonable than non-educated and ignorant types?

Because it's an inherently high-stress environment.  Most other places are too, I guess, but in college, you're under constant and explicit evaluation.

...and things like surgery and accounting and defending aren't stressful?  I'd argue those can be and are more stressful in general because you have a life our your livelihood at risk

[Sidoh]

outta curiosity, why?

arent college students generally more reasonable than non-educated and ignorant types?

Because it's an inherently high-stress environment.  Most other places are too, I guess, but in college, you're under constant and explicit evaluation.

...and things like surgery and accounting and defending aren't stressful?  I'd argue those can be and are more stressful in general because you have a life our your livelihood at risk

You can carry a gun around a hospital and in an account firm?  If you're using "defending" as a reference to cops, they need firearms no matter how difficult the situation is, if you ask me... that's a silly example.

[while1]

According to police the guy in the facebook link IS NOT THE PERP.  I kind of feel bad for that dude because he's even made it on FoxNews and although they say confirmed and stated that he was not the perp, they still showed him and suggested that he could have been the perp.  Granted they blurred his face and his name.

He might enjoy the publicity though.  I just feel it's wrong to do so.

EDIT:  Yes, I know how extremely conservatively biased and just pretty bad of a news channel FoxNews is.  I like to watch it simply for that because I like to know what the most watched news channel in America is cramming into the heads of the unintelligent and/or gullible masses of America.

[CrAz3D]

i see his facebook picture is changed to something rather solemn


...my friend just read that the asian dude got death threats on facebook!
HAHAHAHHA, who threatens a mass murderer who already killed themself?!

[Newby]

...my friend just read that the asian dude got death threats on facebook!
HAHAHAHHA, who threatens a mass murderer who already killed themself?!

Dumb people.

[iago]

...and things like surgery and accounting and defending aren't stressful?  I'd argue those can be and are more stressful in general because you have a life our your livelihood at risk

I'd argue that you're more at risk when everybody's armed. At least if somebody goes crazy, he has to go home, get his gun, and come back. Hopefully by then, he's calmed down. But if he's already armed, there might be a "spur of the moment" tragedy.

I don't think people should be allowed to carry concealed weapons anywhere for that reason (among others).


And incidentally, if it took professional police/sharp shooters 2 hours to bring him down, do you really think untrained (or less-trained) civilians would have had more luck? There's a good chance that they'd injure somebody else or get themselves killed if they'd tried.

[Blaze]

...my friend just read that the asian dude got death threats on facebook!
HAHAHAHHA, who threatens a mass murderer who already killed themself?!

Dumb people.

Aka, users of Facebook.

[BigAznDaddy]

so this is the story as i have heard it on the news and on the radio:

so the killer started at his girlfriends dorm (the night before they got in a huge fight) at the dorm he killed 2 people (his girlfriend and the RA who was trying to calm the shooter down) after that the shooter waited 2 hours and headed towards the school to some class rooms. i have heard reports that the shooter guy chained the  exits shut so thats kinda freaky. then he went to two rooms to shoot people. when he went to the rooms kids were jumping out of the windows for their lifes. There was also one guy that played dead (very smart dude) while others were being mowed down. the shooter then went to another class where he did the same thing. professors were also targets of the shooting. after his rampage he killed  himself.

[CrAz3D]

And incidentally, if it took professional police/sharp shooters 2 hours to bring him down, do you really think untrained (or less-trained) civilians would have had more luck? There's a good chance that they'd injure somebody else or get themselves killed if they'd tried.

...where did you read/hear that?
All day I heard that he took his own life in Norris Hall after chaining the doors shut and killing most people in there.

[while1]

The VT administration really fucked up.

You have people dead after the first shooting. The killer is at large.  Why didn't they put it on lockdown?  Sigh.

[ZeroX]

I pray for the Friends and Familes of the 32 victims that were killed.

FYI after he went to the Engineering building and killed the rset on his rampage he took his own life.

[iago]

And incidentally, if it took professional police/sharp shooters 2 hours to bring him down, do you really think untrained (or less-trained) civilians would have had more luck? There's a good chance that they'd injure somebody else or get themselves killed if they'd tried.

...where did you read/hear that?
All day I heard that he took his own life in Norris Hall after chaining the doors shut and killing most people in there.

Sorry, I worded that wrong. It was 7 in the morning!

What I meant was, police (ie, trained professionals) were involved, and he was still running around for 2 hours.

If this had happened in a shopping mall where people were armed, do you really think less people would have been injured/killed? I think if somebody else had pulled out a gun, it would have been mass chaos, with people being caught in the cross-fire, people who didn't know who the real "bad guy" was, etc.

[CrAz3D]

Yeah, the cops sucked at making sure everything went down correctly. but hindsigh is 20/20

Assuming that only a few of the persons (if that many) were armed, the "friendly fire" injuries would be minimal.
If EVERYONE was armed, then the likely hood that the attack would happen would most likely decrease, and even if it did still occur, then once the gunman was down he wouldn't've been able to shoot-to-kill random people.
It seems reasonable that once the gunman was stopped then the shooting would stop.  And more likely than not, stray bullets from good samaritans would cause fewer fatal injuries than a man aiming to kill everyone he can.

...as it stands now, weapons are ok for legal adults on the streets, weapons are available to ALL criminals anywhere...why not allow students to carry is they so choose?

[CrAz3D]

Liviu Librescu ... wow.
Survived Holocaust, escaped Iron Curtain to the US, and tried to protect students from this crazy shooter dude.
This man has lived one HELL of a life

[iago]

So why can't highschool students carry guns? By your logic (..), it would make schools safer.

[CrAz3D]

So why can't highschool students carry guns? By your logic (..), it would make schools safer.

why cant 8 year olds vote?
...society has created a point at which it deems a person can handle certain responsibilities and what not.

In NM you must be 21 to have a CCW license, 18 to buy a rifle/bullets, and I think 19 for handgun/bullets.
So long as you meet society's standards you should be able to function as a citizen.

Some highschool students might meet the requirement for carrying a weapon, most dont.

[iago]

...society has created a point at which it deems a person can handle certain responsibilities and what not.

Yeah, as proven by a guy (over 18) who killed 32 people a couple days ago. Apparently the age cut-off is flawed.

[CrAz3D]

...he was a criminal who had weapons with serial numbers scraped off...so quite possible & probably those were illegal obtained weapons.

[trust]

I definitely disagree with handguns being ALLOWED on campus, definitely too many highly stressed out kids high on caffeine and lacking sleep.

[CrAz3D]

...he was a criminal who had weapons with serial numbers scraped off...so quite possible & probably those were illegal obtained weapons.

scratch that, this weird ass kid bought the 9mm for $600 1 month ago straight out

even then, he is the rare occurrence of a school shooter & I'd guess that an even more rare shooter that obtained his gun(s?) legally.

[Killer360]

[BigAznDaddy]

I was looking at that earlier Killer. the guy looks totally scary and unAsian like

[CrAz3D]

he's a S Korean I read...
...they seem to be crazy!

[skip]

...society has created a point at which it deems a person can handle certain responsibilities and what not.

Yeah, as proven by a guy (over 18) who killed 32 people a couple days ago. Apparently the age cut-off is flawed.

You can't judge the entire population (of 18 year olds) by one (or even a couple) person.

[BigAznDaddy]

he's a S Korean I read...
...they seem to be crazy!

south i thought he was north? let me check again

[CrAz3D]

he's a S Korean I read...
...they seem to be crazy!

south i thought he was north? let me check again

he came over in 92, the Northerners cant leave...

[BigAznDaddy]

he came over in 92, the Northerners cant leave...

ROFL. and you were right

Cho — who arrived in the United States as boy from South Korea in 1992 and was raised in suburban Washington, D.C., where his parents worked at a dry cleaners....

[CrAz3D]

i thought so.

still strikes me as super odd that the squinty-eyed nut job filed off the serial numbers from the guns...kiod had some serious mental health issues

[Krazed]

A girl that was killed is from my hometown, and was a relativley close family friend.  This kid is really a sick fuck.

[while1]

[Sidoh]

There's more, but I won't bore you all with it.

In light of heightened awareness due to this week’s tragic events at
Virginia Tech, I wanted to inform the campus community of a
situation that evolved early this morning to alleviate concerns and
dispel rumors.

At 4:04 a.m. CSU Police received a call that a man, later identified
as Fort Collins resident Charles Holland, was seen on the roof of
Edwards Hall, a student residence on the main Colorado State
University campus. Police arrived at 4:06 a.m., and the man began
threatening to jump. Police began negotiating with the individual
immediately and managed the situation until the individual was
arrested at 6:14 a.m. Holland is not a student.

All precautions were taken. Surrounding residence halls are
Ingersoll Hall to the West, which is along Shields Street, and
Summit Hall to the south. The area immediately to the East of the
dorm is a construction zone and the area immediately to the north is
sport and recreation fields.

The man will be charged initially by the CSUPD and Fort Collins
Police for 2nd Degree Criminal Trespass. Charles Holland has
outstanding warrants for Violation of Bond Conditions, Violations
for Order of Protection and Domestic Violence. He has an extensive
criminal history from several states, including Colorado for
robbery, kidnapping, aggravated assault, harassment, burglary and
felony menacing. 

They sent out 3 emails on the matter at 6:50, 7:30 and 9:00 AM... all before I was awake lol.

Edwards is right next to my Hall (Ingersoll), so it was an.. interesting thing to wake up to.

[CrAz3D]

sad that it takes hella crazy events for things to work better/more efficiently/ACTUALLY WORK

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech1.html
...wow

[BigAznDaddy]

sad that it takes hella crazy events for things to work better/more efficiently/ACTUALLY WORK

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech1.html
...wow

wow is correct my friend. this guy is very disturbing and he looks really really freaky too

[trust]

haha that story is so fucking weird, wtf?

[CrAz3D]

maybe these teacher's should've caught on to his fucking-nutsism!
...english dept, probably he's had some of those profs more than once, why didnt they see a pattern of fucking-insanity?
...why didnt they help?
...WHY DIDNT HIS FUCKING PARENTS DO SOMETHING!?  I saw that they thought he was suicidal

[CrAz3D]

http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/index.html
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/

SUPPOSEDLY, those MOTHER FUCKING RADICAL BASTARDS are supposed to protest the funerals of the VA Tech kids.
...I swear, I hope somebody lays each of those protesting-mother-fuckers out.
I'm sure some of you have seen the clip of anti-protesters trying to attack/assault/pummel the WBC ... the one with the rocks hiting the van & broken windows, yeah.  That's what we need here, only more so.  If there is any time vigilantism is excusable it is now.

[BigAznDaddy]

http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/index.html
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/

SUPPOSEDLY, those MOTHER FUCKING RADICAL BASTARDS are supposed to protest the funerals of the VA Tech kids.
...I swear, I hope somebody lays each of those protesting-mother-fuckers out.
I'm sure some of you have seen the clip of anti-protesters trying to attack/assault/pummel the WBC ... the one with the rocks hiting the van & broken windows, yeah.  That's what we need here, only more so.  If there is any time vigilantism is excusable it is now.

are these the same people as the "most hated people in America" God i hate them. they have no sense of dignity

[CrAz3D]

They're the "God hates fags" ppl...sheesh

[iago]

maybe these teacher's should've caught on to his fucking-nutsism!
...english dept, probably he's had some of those profs more than once, why didnt they see a pattern of fucking-insanity?
...why didnt they help?
...WHY DIDNT HIS FUCKING PARENTS DO SOMETHING!?  I saw that they thought he was suicidal

What were they supposed to do, lock him up?

If they "DID SOMETHING!" about every person who seems insane, we'd have way more people locked up and some of history's greatest authors wouldn't have been writing.

As much as this is awful, very little really could have been done to prevent it.

[CrAz3D]

his parents, better than anyone, should've known he was unstable and should've gotten him help...not lock him up

[Sidoh]

his parents, better than anyone, should've known he was unstable and should've gotten him help...not lock him up

How would they know that he's unstable?  He writes screwy scripts... so what?  That doesn't mean that he's going to go on a rampage.

I totally agree with iago on this one... there's little that could have been done.  It's sickeningly tragic, but it's just the way things are.

[iago]

Yeah, as long as you want to allow people to be free, you have to accept that some people may use the freedom to do horrible things. That's life!

[CrAz3D]

his parents, better than anyone, should've known he was unstable and should've gotten him help...not lock him up

How would they know that he's unstable?  He writes screwy scripts... so what?  That doesn't mean that he's going to go on a rampage.

I totally agree with iago on this one... there's little that could have been done.  It's sickeningly tragic, but it's just the way things are.

news reported that they thought he was suicidal

[BigAznDaddy]

news reported that they thought he was suicidal

Kids at his school also said that they would not be surprised if he did go on a rampage.

[CrAz3D]

news reported that they thought he was suicidal

Kids at his school also said that they would not be surprised if he did go on a rampage.

friend saw an interview w/teacher of seung.
teacher said that she couldnt leave room of students while he was there because they were afraid of him.  they wouldnt enter class if he was the first one there.

[iago]

news reported that they thought he was suicidal

... so? Lots of people are suicidal. What do you suggest, we line them up in front of a ditch and shoot them?

If we expect to have the freedom to live our own lives, we have to allow others that same privilege (right?). If my parents both die tomorrow, and I'm suicidal (note that I also read macabre literature), I don't want people locking me up.

Kids at his school also said that they would not be surprised if he did go on a rampage.

I'm sure that's said about a lot of people. Hindsight is 20:20 -- again, without locking up people randomly, there's nothing that could prevent it.

[CrAz3D]

news reported that they thought he was suicidal

... so? Lots of people are suicidal. What do you suggest, we line them up in front of a ditch and shoot them?

If we expect to have the freedom to live our own lives, we have to allow others that same privilege (right?). If my parents both die tomorrow, and I'm suicidal (note that I also read macabre literature), I don't want people locking me up.

Kids at his school also said that they would not be surprised if he did go on a rampage.

I'm sure that's said about a lot of people. Hindsight is 20:20 -- again, without locking up people randomly, there's nothing that could prevent it.

his parents, better than anyone, should've known he was unstable and should've gotten him help...not lock him up

[iago]

news reported that they thought he was suicidal

... so? Lots of people are suicidal. What do you suggest, we line them up in front of a ditch and shoot them?

If we expect to have the freedom to live our own lives, we have to allow others that same privilege (right?). If my parents both die tomorrow, and I'm suicidal (note that I also read macabre literature), I don't want people locking me up.

Kids at his school also said that they would not be surprised if he did go on a rampage.

I'm sure that's said about a lot of people. Hindsight is 20:20 -- again, without locking up people randomly, there's nothing that could prevent it.

his parents, better than anyone, should've known he was unstable and should've gotten him help...not lock him up

And if he refused? Then lock him up?

[Newby]

I've written some pretty fucked up shit. Doesn't mean I'm gonna shoot up a school any time soon.

[iago]

I've written some pretty fucked up shit. Doesn't mean I'm gonna shoot up a school any time soon.

Well, I wouldn't go *that* far.

[rabbit]

The kid wanted to be Gangsta Jesus:
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm??g=0158bd35-c228-40ed-b9c4-1782b256f1fe&f=00&fg=copy&

It doesn't work in Firefox because MS is stupid.

[trust]

It works in Firefox for me, you just suck.

And that video is fucked up. It sounds to me like he was pretty jealous of his classmates.

[rabbit]

He hated rich people.....and blacks.  And whites.  Also, Mexicans, Native Americans, Indian, Europeans, other Asians, and just about everyone who wasn't him.

[Sidoh]

He shrouded himself in a delusional world... wow, what a nutcase.

[CrAz3D]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18173672/?duck=true

Columbine & VT?
dang lady

[while1]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18173672/?duck=true

Columbine & VT?
dang lady

Wow.  What a coincidence...

[CrAz3D]

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/18/video-carolyn-mccarthy-doesnt-understand-her-own-gun-control-legislation/

Gun legislators

[CrAz3D]

...I guess in 05 dude was declared "danger to society"

anyone seen this?

my bud is saying that it was declared by court, so it wasnt able to be held against him or something?
maybe dude SHOULD'VE been locked up a while ago!

[Super_X]

his parents, better than anyone, should've known he was unstable and should've gotten him help...not lock him up

How would they know that he's unstable?  He writes screwy scripts... so what?  That doesn't mean that he's going to go on a rampage.

I totally agree with iago on this one... there's little that could have been done.  It's sickeningly tragic, but it's just the way things are.

See, the thing that I don't really understand about that is like, "Hamlet," written by the grandfather of the modern english language, had the same concept. When I read that kid's play, that's all I could think of, the paralels between that and Hamlet. I mean, it's creepy yes, but if we didn't lock up Shakespeare, why lock up this kid?

[CrAz3D]

his parents, better than anyone, should've known he was unstable and should've gotten him help...not lock him up

How would they know that he's unstable?  He writes screwy scripts... so what?  That doesn't mean that he's going to go on a rampage.

I totally agree with iago on this one... there's little that could have been done.  It's sickeningly tragic, but it's just the way things are.

See, the thing that I don't really understand about that is like, "Hamlet," written by the grandfather of the modern english language, had the same concept. When I read that kid's play, that's all I could think of, the paralels between that and Hamlet. I mean, it's creepy yes, but if we didn't lock up Shakespeare, why lock up this kid?

because of ...

...I guess in 05 dude was declared "danger to society"

anyone seen this?

my bud is saying that it was declared by court, so it wasnt able to be held against him or something?
maybe dude SHOULD'VE been locked up a while ago!

[iago]

So you heard from someone who heard from someone who may have read somewhere that he was declared dangerous by some court. That's fantastic! I don't see how anybody can cast a doubt on that!

[CrAz3D]

...thats why I asked about it...
...today I heard that the court only declared kid danger to self
who knows at this point

[CrAz3D]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819904/posts