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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2007, 12:47:02 am »
It's because Kaleeko goes here, duh.

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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2007, 12:55:06 am »
And doesn't have PMS lasting for 28 days, like Topaz.

Ah, I love my kaleeko. :)
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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2007, 02:39:30 am »
Grok, Adron, and Skywing are historical figures on Battle.net, and their clan was what it is because they're the leaders (for the most part).

Having been with vL since before it was created (:P), and observed how things have changed, I strongly disagree with this.  While Grok's leadership and commitment was for a long time the cornerstone of vL's success as a group, Skywing and Adron have been mediocre leaders at best.  They were not original leaders, and were handed the positions (despite what the members wanted) when they opened up, because they were who people saw as "leetest" at the time.  Skywing outright ignores members because he cannot handle internal issues properly, and he goes completely inactive for months at a time, while Adron just does whatever he pleases, freely abusing any power he has because his ego has been stroked to the point where he thinks he is the sacrosanct King of vL.  This is not to say they haven't been outstanding members in some ways, but they are a good example of why it's bad to hand responsibility and control over to people who didn't even really want it (for reasons other than "status"), or try for it, assuming things will go well because they have been successful in other regards.  Their (lack of) leadership, arrogance, poor coping skills, and privileged/elitest attitude is largely responsible for the negative changes we've seen over the years.
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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2007, 02:49:31 am »
while Adron just does whatever he pleases, freely abusing any power he has because his ego has been stroked to the point where he thinks he is the sacrosanct King of vL.

Well Adron is, with probably the exception of iago and MyndFyre, the most personable member of vL. In my opinion/experience anyway.

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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2007, 02:56:12 am »
Grok, Adron, and Skywing are historical figures on Battle.net, and their clan was what it is because they're the leaders (for the most part).

Having been with vL since before it was created (:P), and observed how things have changed, I strongly disagree with this.  While Grok's leadership and commitment was for a long time the cornerstone of vL's success as a group, Skywing and Adron have been mediocre leaders at best.  They were not original leaders, and were handed the positions (despite what the members wanted) when they opened up, because they were who people saw as "leetest" at the time.  Skywing outright ignores members because he cannot handle internal issues properly, and he goes completely inactive for months at a time, while Adron just does whatever he pleases, freely abusing any power he has because his ego has been stroked to the point where he thinks he is the sacrosanct King of vL.  This is not to say they haven't been outstanding members in some ways, but they are a good example of why it's bad to hand responsibility and control over to people who didn't even really want it (for reasons other than "status"), or try for it, assuming things will go well because they have been successful in other regards.  Their (lack of) leadership, arrogance, poor coping skills, and privileged/elitest attitude is largely responsible for the negative changes we've seen over the years.
When I read this, I detect a hint of jealousy. It may not have been intentional, but I think that you're being pasive aggressive towards those two for being there after you, then becomming the leaders.   Do you think you could have done any better, Rule?

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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2007, 03:13:52 am »
When I read this, I detect a hint of jealousy. It may not have been intentional, but I think that you're being pasive aggressive towards those two for being there after you, then becomming the leaders.   Do you think you could have done any better, Rule?

I'd rather not speculate on whether I would have been better -- I've been inactive for long periods of time.  But I don't think I would have indulged my ego so much as to retain my position as leader while going inactive for months at a time and ignoring the clan and its members.  Also, I do not envy Adron or Skywing: I don't want the burden of indefinitely leading vL, though they seem to see it more as a feather in their cap than a duty. 

Also I think Arta is the most personable member.  However I did not intend to turn this into a thread to congratulate/criticize various vL members.
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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2007, 03:47:05 am »
I came here not knowing many people - I talked to Trust, Sidoh and rabbit on BNET, but I didn't know anyone else.  The only reason I'm still here is because the community is very welcoming, everyone gives you a chance when you come here.  Regardless, I stopped going to vL quite some time ago,  it really seems like if you aren't in their little 'group' that you aren't welcome and it discourages people from going there IMO.
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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2007, 07:19:02 am »
Guys, Come on get real, they came because they saw me? pfft.  ;D :D

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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2007, 08:54:31 am »
Having been with vL since before it was created (:P), and observed how things have changed, I strongly disagree with this.  While Grok's leadership and commitment was for a long time the cornerstone of vL's success as a group, Skywing and Adron have been mediocre leaders at best.  They were not original leaders, and were handed the positions (despite what the members wanted) when they opened up, because they were who people saw as "leetest" at the time.  Skywing outright ignores members because he cannot handle internal issues properly, and he goes completely inactive for months at a time, while Adron just does whatever he pleases, freely abusing any power he has because his ego has been stroked to the point where he thinks he is the sacrosanct King of vL.  This is not to say they haven't been outstanding members in some ways, but they are a good example of why it's bad to hand responsibility and control over to people who didn't even really want it (for reasons other than "status"), or try for it, assuming things will go well because they have been successful in other regards.  Their (lack of) leadership, arrogance, poor coping skills, and privileged/elitest attitude is largely responsible for the negative changes we've seen over the years.
Well, my history on Battle.net starts well into the period, so I really couldn't say much historically. I was just saying what I've observed. But despite the premise, we seem to agree on the conclusion, so that's good.

Also I think Arta is the most personable member.  However I did not intend to turn this into a thread to congratulate/criticize various vL members.
I really couldn't say who's the most personable member. Personally, I always got on best with Adron, Arta, and Zakath. Oh, and rule and Myndfyre ;)

I came here not knowing many people - I talked to Trust, Sidoh and rabbit on BNET, but I didn't know anyone else.  The only reason I'm still here is because the community is very welcoming, everyone gives you a chance when you come here.  Regardless, I stopped going to vL quite some time ago,  it really seems like if you aren't in their little 'group' that you aren't welcome and it discourages people from going there IMO.
That's what we strive for. I tried hard not to alienate people. Even though clan members have the final say on issues in the end, I try not to alienate or discourage non-members. As long as they act respectible (ie, put some effort into posts, not just string together a bunch of words)

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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2007, 10:15:31 am »
The only reason I'm still here is because the community is very welcoming
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I remember when I first got my member board, and it was at the bottom, and I was sad.  Now it's relatively close to the top.  Scary.  I'm just beginning to realize how big we are.

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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2007, 10:29:54 am »
I frequent the vL forums just as much as I do these (or most any other forum I visit on a semi-regular basis at least).  Posting frequency is a function of whether there are topics/posts interesting enough to post on since the last time I was there.

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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2007, 12:14:05 pm »
I frequent the vL forums just as much as I do these (or most any other forum I visit on a semi-regular basis at least).  Posting frequency is a function of whether there are topics/posts interesting enough to post on since the last time I was there.

In your defense. I have talk to you once a long time ago in the BNET support channel about an issue I was having with my BNSL and you were quite kind and not the person Rule portrays you as.

On the topic of vL not having activity I never knew any of you guys till x86 was just getting started up and one rogue member left and created .de "thats where I ment Warrior <3" Besides a select few I feel that this community is alot more, responsive? I posted in the world of warcraft board of vL about what realms you guys all play on, and didnt get a response for quite some time so I thought the community had die off and the site was there just for historical sakes.
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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2007, 12:52:26 pm »
The vL forum never really seemed all that active to begin with, imo.  Maybe it's because I visit larger forums, or always just skimmed past all the boards between "The Media Motel" and "Thing-O-Rama ™" ( ::)) but even when I first heard about vl back in early '04 it didn't seem to be very hoppin.

Or maybe it's just cause I'm a noob who didn't hear about vL until early '04...

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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2007, 01:11:37 pm »
I frequent the vL forums just as much as I do these (or most any other forum I visit on a semi-regular basis at least).  Posting frequency is a function of whether there are topics/posts interesting enough to post on since the last time I was there.
Ever since you mentioned "Show all unread posts" to me, I've been doing the same. It's quite a handy feature for skimming a forum.

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Re: Are We Eating vL?
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2007, 01:15:07 pm »
I frequent the vL forums just as much as I do these (or most any other forum I visit on a semi-regular basis at least).  Posting frequency is a function of whether there are topics/posts interesting enough to post on since the last time I was there.
Ever since you mentioned "Show all unread posts" to me, I've been doing the same. It's quite a handy feature for skimming a forum.
Another way you can do this is thru you're profile if you hit show posts it'll show you threads you recently posted in, and if you aren't subscribed directly to these posts it's a good way to quickly glance and see if you need to reply to something left open or unanswered etc.