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Too Many Indians
« on: August 08, 2007, 02:38:59 pm »
This msg is mainly for iago, but others can feel free to respond also...


Yesterday my family and I went down to the forks in the evening to go for a walk... as you probably know, it's basically Winnipeg's ONLY tourist attraction also...

They recently built this big huge skate park right next to it and they added NO security what-so-ever. So now there are these stupid teens on bikes riding right threw the forks and morons on skateboards doing tricks and whipping around on pedestrian sidewalks. Sadly, most of them are indian. A few months ago my brother and a friend got chased out of the forks by some dumb indian.

How stupid can the city get??? It was a completely dumb idea to build that skate park there.

Things are really bad in other areas of the city also... it's really too bad. Native teens are especially good at stealing bikes also...   is it bad parenting or what??

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2007, 02:50:41 pm »
Yeah, the natives are a serious problem in Winnipeg, unfortunately. Something more seriously needs to be done, the NDP isn't helping anything by giving them money. Kids who grow up in a shitty environment turn out badly, which is obviously happening. And it's sad.

The skate park, however, was a good idea in my opinion. Maybe it was implemented badly, but I wouldn't call it dumb.

In Calgary, natives aren't much of a problem at all; at least, no more than white people.

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2007, 02:53:27 pm »
Yeah, the natives are a serious problem in Winnipeg, unfortunately. Something more seriously needs to be done, the NDP isn't helping anything by giving them money. Kids who grow up in a shitty environment turn out badly, which is obviously happening. And it's sad.

The skate park, however, was a good idea in my opinion. Maybe it was implemented badly, but I wouldn't call it dumb.

In Calgary, natives aren't much of a problem at all; at least, no more than white people.
But the skate park has really only brought all the bad people to one area, the Forks. The Forks is Winnipeg's ONLY tourist place... and I think they've killed it. :(

I think they should have thought it threw a bit more. It gets really rough there in the evenings. (10+ PM)

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2007, 04:24:36 pm »
Yeah, the natives are a serious problem in Winnipeg, unfortunately. Something more seriously needs to be done, the NDP isn't helping anything by giving them money. Kids who grow up in a shitty environment turn out badly, which is obviously happening. And it's sad.

The skate park, however, was a good idea in my opinion. Maybe it was implemented badly, but I wouldn't call it dumb.

In Calgary, natives aren't much of a problem at all; at least, no more than white people.
But the skate park has really only brought all the bad people to one area, the Forks. The Forks is Winnipeg's ONLY tourist place... and I think they've killed it. :(

I think they should have thought it threw a bit more. It gets really rough there in the evenings. (10+ PM)

It sounds to me like you're just being a rich little stuck-up prick. You don't want the skatepark there because it attracts a race you don't like? What in the fuck?

And so what if it gets "rough" ? Man up fool, if you're out in an urban area at night you should expect those things. It happens everywhere.
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2007, 04:47:43 pm »
Yeah, the natives are a serious problem in Winnipeg, unfortunately. Something more seriously needs to be done, the NDP isn't helping anything by giving them money. Kids who grow up in a shitty environment turn out badly, which is obviously happening. And it's sad.

The skate park, however, was a good idea in my opinion. Maybe it was implemented badly, but I wouldn't call it dumb.

In Calgary, natives aren't much of a problem at all; at least, no more than white people.
But the skate park has really only brought all the bad people to one area, the Forks. The Forks is Winnipeg's ONLY tourist place... and I think they've killed it. :(

I think they should have thought it threw a bit more. It gets really rough there in the evenings. (10+ PM)

It sounds to me like you're just being a rich little stuck-up prick. You don't want the skatepark there because it attracts a race you don't like? What in the fuck?

And so what if it gets "rough" ? Man up fool, if you're out in an urban area at night you should expect those things. It happens everywhere.
Do you have any idea what I mean by "rough"? This is a tourist area of the city and I don't think tourists want to be walking by kids smoking pot, kids skateboarding/biking in the parkade, and a lot of other fucking shit that isn't needed.


They either need to add better security so people feel more safe or get rid of it.

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2007, 04:51:58 pm »
Yeah, the natives are a serious problem in Winnipeg, unfortunately. Something more seriously needs to be done, the NDP isn't helping anything by giving them money. Kids who grow up in a shitty environment turn out badly, which is obviously happening. And it's sad.

The skate park, however, was a good idea in my opinion. Maybe it was implemented badly, but I wouldn't call it dumb.

In Calgary, natives aren't much of a problem at all; at least, no more than white people.
But the skate park has really only brought all the bad people to one area, the Forks. The Forks is Winnipeg's ONLY tourist place... and I think they've killed it. :(

I think they should have thought it threw a bit more. It gets really rough there in the evenings. (10+ PM)

It sounds to me like you're just being a rich little stuck-up prick. You don't want the skatepark there because it attracts a race you don't like? What in the fuck?

And so what if it gets "rough" ? Man up fool, if you're out in an urban area at night you should expect those things. It happens everywhere.
Do you have any idea what I mean by "rough"? This is a tourist area of the city and I don't think tourists want to be walking by kids smoking pot, kids skateboarding/biking in the parkade, and a lot of other fucking shit that isn't needed.


They either need to add better security so people feel more safe or get rid of it.

Tourists shouldn't be walking around that area at 11pm at night. Done deal. It just seems unnecessarily racist of you to post things like this.
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2007, 04:54:11 pm »
Yeah, the natives are a serious problem in Winnipeg, unfortunately. Something more seriously needs to be done, the NDP isn't helping anything by giving them money. Kids who grow up in a shitty environment turn out badly, which is obviously happening. And it's sad.

The skate park, however, was a good idea in my opinion. Maybe it was implemented badly, but I wouldn't call it dumb.

In Calgary, natives aren't much of a problem at all; at least, no more than white people.
But the skate park has really only brought all the bad people to one area, the Forks. The Forks is Winnipeg's ONLY tourist place... and I think they've killed it. :(

I think they should have thought it threw a bit more. It gets really rough there in the evenings. (10+ PM)

It sounds to me like you're just being a rich little stuck-up prick. You don't want the skatepark there because it attracts a race you don't like? What in the fuck?

And so what if it gets "rough" ? Man up fool, if you're out in an urban area at night you should expect those things. It happens everywhere.
Do you have any idea what I mean by "rough"? This is a tourist area of the city and I don't think tourists want to be walking by kids smoking pot, kids skateboarding/biking in the parkade, and a lot of other fucking shit that isn't needed.


They either need to add better security so people feel more safe or get rid of it.

Tourists shouldn't be walking around that area at 11pm at night. Done deal. It just seems unnecessarily racist of you to post things like this.
I was there at only 8 o' clock yesterday and it was already starting to get rough and noisy. 11 o' clock is when crime starts to happen.

You have no idea what it's like here...

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2007, 05:52:38 pm »
Tourists shouldn't be walking around that area at 11pm at night. Done deal. It just seems unnecessarily racist of you to post things like this.
They shouldn't be at the nicest area, the place that's designed for tourists, in the evening?

I guess you have to live in Winnipeg to appreciate the problem. The natives in Winnipeg are a really, really big problem. It's not their fault, really, it's the environment they were brought up in, but it's still a serious issue. The statistics are something like 5% of the population of WInnipeg is native, and 90% of the local jail is. Just about every crime, from rape to murder to robbery to burglary) is commited by a native. It's a realy sad state of affairs.

I guess this skate part attracts them, which is unfortunate. But I guess as soon as you offer a free service, you'll get people who can only afford free services showing up.

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2007, 11:33:25 pm »
Wanna solve the problem? Kill them all.

http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifle_82.aspx

That will put a hole in an Indian (or anybody for that matter) the size of a small child from up to two miles away.

If they're really that big an issue, killing them will solve the issue. Just my two cents. :)
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2007, 12:09:52 am »
That rifle can't hit accurately from two miles.  The best [50 cal] rifle in the world has a max of about 1.3 miles.

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2007, 12:51:33 am »
I can vouch for the native problem in Winnipeg.  :(
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2007, 02:22:41 am »
Yeah, the natives are a serious problem in Winnipeg, unfortunately. Something more seriously needs to be done, the NDP isn't helping anything by giving them money. Kids who grow up in a shitty environment turn out badly, which is obviously happening. And it's sad.

The skate park, however, was a good idea in my opinion. Maybe it was implemented badly, but I wouldn't call it dumb.

In Calgary, natives aren't much of a problem at all; at least, no more than white people.
But the skate park has really only brought all the bad people to one area, the Forks. The Forks is Winnipeg's ONLY tourist place... and I think they've killed it. :(

I think they should have thought it threw a bit more. It gets really rough there in the evenings. (10+ PM)

It sounds to me like you're just being a rich little stuck-up prick. You don't want the skatepark there because it attracts a race you don't like? What in the fuck?

And so what if it gets "rough" ? Man up fool, if you're out in an urban area at night you should expect those things. It happens everywhere.
Do you have any idea what I mean by "rough"? This is a tourist area of the city and I don't think tourists want to be walking by kids smoking pot, kids skateboarding/biking in the parkade, and a lot of other fucking shit that isn't needed.


They either need to add better security so people feel more safe or get rid of it.

Tourists shouldn't be walking around that area at 11pm at night. Done deal. It just seems unnecessarily racist of you to post things like this.
I was there at only 8 o' clock yesterday and it was already starting to get rough and noisy. 11 o' clock is when crime starts to happen.

You have no idea what it's like here...

You have no idea what I've experienced.

Tourists shouldn't be walking around that area at 11pm at night. Done deal. It just seems unnecessarily racist of you to post things like this.
They shouldn't be at the nicest area, the place that's designed for tourists, in the evening?

I guess you have to live in Winnipeg to appreciate the problem. The natives in Winnipeg are a really, really big problem. It's not their fault, really, it's the environment they were brought up in, but it's still a serious issue. The statistics are something like 5% of the population of WInnipeg is native, and 90% of the local jail is. Just about every crime, from rape to murder to robbery to burglary) is commited by a native. It's a realy sad state of affairs.

I guess this skate part attracts them, which is unfortunate. But I guess as soon as you offer a free service, you'll get people who can only afford free services showing up.

I understand the situation. Sure, it's sad that a nice area is attracting bad people, but calling a whole race "a problem" seems completely out of line. I'm sure it was a bad idea for the government to build free things in a park because shady people will congregate around it. What were they thinking? I guess the only way to drive them out is require something they don't have: money!

Frankly, I'm surprised that you are acting like this is exclusive to Winnipeg, or Canada. Even the US has bad areas, and crime (much more then Canada), and people still get on with their life. It's not a big deal, it doesn't necessarily require any sort of drastic "action" against a race of people just because of some statistics.
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2007, 09:01:53 am »
I understand the situation. Sure, it's sad that a nice area is attracting bad people, but calling a whole race "a problem" seems completely out of line. I'm sure it was a bad idea for the government to build free things in a park because shady people will congregate around it. What were they thinking? I guess the only way to drive them out is require something they don't have: money!
Well, like I said in my first post on this thread, I support the skate park. It's unfortunate that problems are rising.

Frankly, I'm surprised that you are acting like this is exclusive to Winnipeg, or Canada. Even the US has bad areas, and crime (much more then Canada), and people still get on with their life. It's not a big deal, it doesn't necessarily require any sort of drastic "action" against a race of people just because of some statistics.
Frankly, you'd have to live in Winnipeg to understand the problem. While I have nothing against natives as a race, they're stuck in a vicious cycle which I am pretty sure is much worse in Winnipeg than anywhere else (at least, anywhere else that I've been). I don't know of a single native person who has a good job in Winnipeg, nor do I know of any that aren't alcoholics or drug addicts or whatever. Not a single one. When you see somebody passed out on the side of the road in Winnipeg, it's going to be a native. That totally sucks, but it's true.

The problem is largely historical. The government of Manitoba gives them way too much money for nothing, and even more money for every kid they have. So they typically have large families and don't work. Most of them end up addicted to alcohol, gasoline, glue, or whatever. And kids learn addictive behaviour, and kids get into trouble when their parents are passed out. As such, the kids grow up the same as their parents. I'm sure it's like that in other parts of the world, like you said, but in Winnipeg that's largely the native population.

Because the kids screw up like their parents, nothing is changing.

Winnipeg is a fairly peaceful city, and there's very little crime. However, Winnipeg has the highest per-capita murder rate of any Canadian city. The majority of those murders are natives beating up other natives, or people that hang out with them. My uncle's corpse was barely recognizable when he was beat up by a native (not that he was a good person -- he was living the same kind of lifestyle as them).

The cycle is also self-reinforcing. Because of this type of behaviour, which has been going on for a long time, there is widespread racism against the natives (as you see in this thread). This racism causes people to alienate them. As a result, there is very little potential for change to happen. I imagine it's a lot like black people in certain places.

And actually, I lied, I do know of one native with a decent job. The place I used to work hired a native guy as a Web developer. Unfortunately, I've been told he's one of the laziest people working there. Why? Because the government pays 50% of his salary, and the owner would get in big trouble for firing him, so he's able to sit around and do absolutely nothing. This isn't meant to reflect badly on him, it's meant to show why the government's policies suck.

Does that clear up the problem a bit? Yes, there is widespread racism in Winnipeg. And yes, it's understandable. But nothing is changing.....

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2007, 01:40:16 pm »
Nothing you said informed me any differently then I already knew. The racism is still unacceptable in my book. I understand there's issues, especially with the government, but that doesn't allow everyone in this thread to automatically get the right to be racist.
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2007, 02:13:25 pm »
America doesn't have any places of such a situation. Or even close to such a situation.

I do agree, though, why would you invite poor people (of any race) who are actively involved in a destructive form of entertainment and crime to a tourist attraction?
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2007, 02:26:54 pm »
America doesn't have any places of such a situation. Or even close to such a situation.

I do agree, though, why would you invite poor people (of any race) who are actively involved in a destructive form of entertainment and crime to a tourist attraction?
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2007, 02:33:01 pm »
Nothing you said informed me any differently then I already knew. The racism is still unacceptable in my book. I understand there's issues, especially with the government, but that doesn't allow everyone in this thread to automatically get the right to be racist.
It's a self-reinforcing cycle that a lot of people don't realize is happening, and much less try to break out of. I can see the problem for what it is, but I like to think of myself as open minded. I'll give anybody, even natives, a far chance. But the government, by trying to help them, is hurting them.

America doesn't have any places of such a situation. Or even close to such a situation.

I do agree, though, why would you invite poor people (of any race) who are actively involved in a destructive form of entertainment and crime to a tourist attraction?
The impression I get is that there's widespread racism against Mexicans in the south and Black people in certain places. But I could be wrong. I may also be making the problem seem worse than it is, since I've had to live among it for 24 years.

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2007, 02:55:20 pm »
America doesn't have any places of such a situation. Or even close to such a situation.

I do agree, though, why would you invite poor people (of any race) who are actively involved in a destructive form of entertainment and crime to a tourist attraction?
Camden, New Jersey.

I don't see 5% of the population doing 90% of the crime. Do you?
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2007, 03:36:32 pm »
I don't see 5% of the population doing 90% of the crime. Do you?

Keep in mind that I made up that statistic. But it's reasonably close to true :P

(plus, I didn't say 90% of the crime, I said 90% in jail.)

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2007, 07:41:50 pm »
Yeah, pay attention.  That means that 90% of the BAD criminals are indians.  I bet 90% of the good criminals aren't, though.

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2007, 12:52:11 pm »
I don't see 5% of the population doing 90% of the crime. Do you?

Keep in mind that I made up that statistic. But it's reasonably close to true :P

(plus, I didn't say 90% of the crime, I said 90% in jail.)
Believe me, it's close enough. Just take a look at the wanted page on the Winnipeg Police website.... http://winnipeg.ca/police/CrimeStoppers/Wanted/wanted.stm

Only 3 aren't indian... the other 5 are. And that page is usually full of 'em...


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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2007, 10:03:42 am »
yeah, indians suck.
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2007, 01:03:37 am »
Killer you're a stereotypical, unloving, mess :S Sorry to say Lol. Sounds hilarious to me. I was born/raised in Montana where we lived and schooled with multiple Indian's. All of which pretty damn cool. I guess Indians, just as skaters and stoners alike, are different per area. I mean countries are a big diff i'm sure too ;p

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2007, 07:26:06 am »
These kinds of problems annoy me. For instance, you're walking in a big city late at night and you see a black guy walking towards you. Should you cross the street?

This is not, however, a complicated situation, even though many people think it is. It's very simple. Of course you should cross the street. When it's a matter of safety versus empathy, you choose safety.

Now let's say you're in a high school classroom and there's a black kid who's trying to initiate a conversation with you and be friendly. You are confronted with the situation of engaging in conversation or disengaging. Should the color of his skin make any difference in your decision? Of course not. Why? Because the safety risk is so slight that empathy outweighs safety.

You just always look to which outweighs which, safety or empathy. It's true that a larger percentage of blacks than whites commit crimes in big cities. Get over it. It doesn't change the fact that the risk of the black kid in your classroom is negligibly small. And the risk of any white kid being a criminal is also there, existent; perhaps a little smaller, but still there. I admit this example isn't very compelling, but it works, and I'm too busy to think of a better example.

So when safety is not an issue, you consider empathy. Now, in this case, Killer360 is making a generalization about Indians that can hurt their feelings. Why? Is he somehow unsafe, and does this statement somehow improve his safety, like crossing the street? No, of course it doesn't, he's on the fucking interweb. And so we consider empathy, and he is clearly getting negative points for empathy, and thus he has made the wrong decision in making a generalization that can offend many others.

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2007, 10:39:32 am »
These kinds of problems annoy me. For instance, you're walking in a big city late at night and you see a black guy walking towards you. Should you cross the street?
That happened to me twice in the last week, and in both cases it was a group of 4 or more black people. I didn't cross the street, however, because there is very little racism between black and white people here. If it was a group of natives, I would probably have acted differently.

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2007, 12:01:57 pm »
*Claps* Beautifully said Ender :)

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2007, 07:14:37 pm »
Beowulf, I suggest you introduce yourself in the introductions forum, so people can get to know a little about you. :)

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2007, 12:42:31 pm »
I've only started making generalizations recently due to recent, rather major, problems. Maybe they are not as bad in other areas of the world. Most of them are horrible here though.

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2007, 03:58:31 pm »
These kinds of problems annoy me. For instance, you're walking in a big city late at night and you see a black guy walking towards you. Should you cross the street?
That happened to me twice in the last week, and in both cases it was a group of 4 or more black people. I didn't cross the street, however, because there is very little racism between black and white people here. If it was a group of natives, I would probably have acted differently.
That may be in Canada but here in America black people, especially in bigger cities, are feared and for good reasons.

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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2007, 06:07:49 pm »
These kinds of problems annoy me. For instance, you're walking in a big city late at night and you see a black guy walking towards you. Should you cross the street?
That happened to me twice in the last week, and in both cases it was a group of 4 or more black people. I didn't cross the street, however, because there is very little racism between black and white people here. If it was a group of natives, I would probably have acted differently.
That may be in Canada but here in America black people, especially in bigger cities, are feared and for good reasons.
I understand. Thankfully, African Americans are not a big problem here.

Today when I was in the city I saw an indian teen walking down one of my friends backlanes, and I immediately knew he was out of place. I saw him poking his head into yards and shit so I yelled at him and he took off. Things just never stop with the indians here, and problems are going to keep getting worse if the government doesn't do something soon.
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2007, 09:38:29 pm »
I know at least in my school (being the most diverse school in the state), there are no such lines drawn with skin color or race.
If I am walking at night and I see a group of black kids, I'll approach them with the same caution I approach white kids. Caution.

That does not mean you should run in fear, but if you truly feel you're in a dangerous situation then get yourself out of there. It's common sense.

I don't pin teenage violence on any specific race, since in my school I have seen it spread evenly amongst everyone. I attribute it more to the lack of a home environment and parental neglect.

If you're raised on the streets, all you will know is the streets. This is something that I've seen proven correct time and time again by the people I communicate with on the daily.
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Re: Too Many Indians
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2007, 06:18:32 pm »
See, that's the thing... most native kids here are raised basically on the streets, or in very very bad homes.

Then they grow up and get free college/university education and all their money from the government... that's what pisses me off the most.

It's simply stupid. Anyways, I think I've made enough points in this topic already. If anyone else wants to add anything else feel free.