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Title: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Joe on June 05, 2006, 08:06:41 am
Yeah. There was going to be a terrorist attack (BIG one) on Manitoba this morning, but the mounties owned the dude or something. That's why Canada is awesome.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 05, 2006, 08:10:47 am
There were some middle eastern people stockpiling weapons in Toronto.  Thus, people assume that they were terrorists, and they probably were. 

I think that it's pretty unlikely that they had plans to attack Canada, though.  It's more likely that they were using Canada as a staging ground to prepare for an attack on the US. 

See, we can catch terrorists without infringing on people's rights and privacy. 
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 05, 2006, 11:16:58 am
There were some middle eastern people stockpiling weapons in Toronto.  Thus, people assume that they were terrorists, and they probably were. 

I think that it's pretty unlikely that they had plans to attack Canada, though.  It's more likely that they were using Canada as a staging ground to prepare for an attack on the US. 

See, we can catch terrorists without infringing on people's rights and privacy. 
blah blah blah

"Canadian targets"

"web surfing & email among the suspects started a probe in 2004"

They were pointed at Canada & were found by internet surveillance...same stuff we've done.  You must support President Bush & all of his surveillance stuff too?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/05/canada.terror0925.ap/index.html
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Joe on June 05, 2006, 01:26:22 pm
I got in a bit of an argument with my mom the other day.

Brother: I love Georgia! Ludacris is from Georgia!
Mom: So is Usher. Atlanta Georgia, A-Town.
Joe: W-Town sounds cooler.
Brother: W-Town?
Joe: Winnipeg Manitoba
Brother: Duh, Canada is retarded. (That is why I hate him, he's such a damn moron)
Joe: Mom, Bobby's making fun of the best country in the world!
Mom: The best country in the world is the United States and if you don't think that you might as well leave.
Joe: k.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 05, 2006, 01:36:55 pm
There were some middle eastern people stockpiling weapons in Toronto.  Thus, people assume that they were terrorists, and they probably were. 

I think that it's pretty unlikely that they had plans to attack Canada, though.  It's more likely that they were using Canada as a staging ground to prepare for an attack on the US. 

See, we can catch terrorists without infringing on people's rights and privacy. 
blah blah blah

"Canadian targets"

"web surfing & email among the suspects started a probe in 2004"

They were pointed at Canada & were found by internet surveillance...same stuff we've done.  You must support President Bush & all of his surveillance stuff too?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/05/canada.terror0925.ap/index.html

They don't go into details, but I suspect that the web and email records were obtained with a court order.  Otherwise, the Office of the Privacy Commissioner would have a field day with it. 

I absolutely do not support unjustified surveillance measures.  By unjustified, I mean surveillance with no court order or no evidence of wrong-doing.  I've talked to officials at CSIS before, and they are very clear that absolutely no unauthorized spying on Canadian citizens takes place.  The only place to get authorization is in a court, with proper evidence of wrong-doing. 

If they did catch it by monitoring innocent people, then I have a major problem with it. 
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 05, 2006, 09:03:53 pm
I got in a bit of an argument with my mom the other day.

Brother: I love Georgia! Ludacris is from Georgia!
Mom: So is Usher. Atlanta Georgia, A-Town.
Joe: W-Town sounds cooler.
Brother: W-Town?
Joe: Winnipeg Manitoba
Brother: Duh, Canada is retarded. (That is why I hate him, he's such a damn moron)
Joe: Mom, Bobby's making fun of the best country in the world!
Mom: The best country in the world is the United States and if you don't think that you might as well leave.
Joe: k.
poor your mom :(
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: GameSnake on June 05, 2006, 09:09:27 pm
USA is the best country in the world, and everyone else is jealous.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Sidoh on June 05, 2006, 09:13:20 pm
USA is the best country in the world, and everyone else is jealous.

I pity your blinded opinion.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: BigAznDaddy on June 05, 2006, 09:14:38 pm
USA is the best country in the world, and everyone else is jealous.

I pity your blinded opinion.

there is only 1 true nation and that is USA
everyone else can go to hell
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Sidoh on June 05, 2006, 09:15:47 pm
there is only 1 true nation and that is USA
everyone else can go to hell

Yours as well.

Seriously, are you guys this stupid?  I'm not denying the fact that the USA is a great country, but the "best" country in someone's mind is based on highly subjective observations and conclusions.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: MyndFyre on June 05, 2006, 09:25:20 pm
See, we can catch terrorists without infringing on people's rights and privacy. 
So, what, they just came and told you that they were stockpiling weapons there?

I mean, just to be clear; *SOMEONE* had to infringe on their right to privacy.  Otherwise nobody would have known whether they were stockpiling weapons.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: BigAznDaddy on June 05, 2006, 09:46:20 pm


Seriously, are you guys this stupid?  I'm not denying the fact that the USA is a great country, but the "best" country in someone's mind is based on highly subjective observations and conclusions.

i guess its not the best
I hate
Gas prices
house prices
money spending(i like money tho)
bush somethimes buggs me(i think democrats will win the next election)
i guess your right sidoh

but what is the BEST nation china?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: GameSnake on June 05, 2006, 09:49:11 pm
there is only 1 true nation and that is USA
everyone else can go to hell

Yours as well.

Seriously, are you guys this stupid?  I'm not denying the fact that the USA is a great country, but the "best" country in someone's mind is based on highly subjective observations and conclusions.
If money is power, USA has the most power.
Game over.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Super_X on June 05, 2006, 10:05:01 pm
there is only 1 true nation and that is USA
everyone else can go to hell

Yours as well.

Seriously, are you guys this stupid?  I'm not denying the fact that the USA is a great country, but the "best" country in someone's mind is based on highly subjective observations and conclusions.
If money is power, USA has the most power.
Game over.
But, money's the root of all evil. Thus, the U.S. is the root of allo evil, too. Not the best after all, eh?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: BigAznDaddy on June 05, 2006, 10:14:41 pm

But, money's the root of all evil. Thus, the U.S. is the root of allo evil, too. Not the best after all, eh?


then who is the best nation?
personally i think prussia is ^_^
(only newby will get this referance)
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Sidoh on June 05, 2006, 10:17:57 pm
If money is power, USA has the most power.
Game over.

I'm pretty sure the USA national deficate is one of the largest in the world.  The USA is in debt to itself.

That aside, the most powerful country never necesitates coexisting with the best nation to live in.  You've never lived in Canada.  How the fuck can you say that?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: GameSnake on June 05, 2006, 10:34:37 pm
If money is power, USA has the most power.
Game over.

I'm pretty sure the USA national deficate is one of the largest in the world.  The USA is in debt to itself.

That aside, the most powerful country never necesitates coexisting with the best nation to live in.  You've never lived in Canada.  How the fuck can you say that?
Ok mr.traitor, look who has the most purchasing power (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html) for a moment.. Ok, have you noticed the United States and the European Union are the top 2, and China is 3rd? Money is direct ranking of power in the real world, and we're number 1 buddy, making us the best country in the world, and a free one to boot.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: deadly7 on June 05, 2006, 10:42:54 pm
there is only 1 true nation and that is USA
everyone else can go to hell

Yours as well.

Seriously, are you guys this stupid?  I'm not denying the fact that the USA is a great country, but the "best" country in someone's mind is based on highly subjective observations and conclusions.
If money is power, USA has the most power.
Game over.
..Uh, we don't have the most money.  We have the most lack OF money, but China has the most money iirc.  Plus they own almost all of our debts.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: TeHFoOoL on June 05, 2006, 10:43:11 pm

But, money's the root of all evil. Thus, the U.S. is the root of allo evil, too. Not the best after all, eh?


then who is the best nation?
personally i think prussia is ^_^
(only newby will get this referance)


Nice try, Asian.

We had this reinactment of "Congress of Vienna" at school. For a brief history review:

The congress of Vienna held place after Napoleon was captured and all the land he captured had to be redistributed.

Anyways, the countries involved were: France, Prussia ( Azn was in that  ), Austria ( newby and I were in it), Russia, Italy, and Great Britain.

No one had a clue what to do except for Austria.. The first debate was whether France should be returned to its original boundaries ( an obvious "yes" since Napoleon took over half of Europe). Everyone voted "no" except for Austria.

..GG.

We ended up getting most land next to Russia, who already had the largest anyways.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: BigAznDaddy on June 05, 2006, 10:45:25 pm


Nice try, Asian.

We had this reinactment of "Congress of Vienna" at school. For a brief history review:

The congress of Vienna held place after Napoleon was captured and all the land he captured had to be redistributed.

Anyways, the countries involved were: France, Prussia ( Azn was in that  ), Austria ( newby and I were in it), Russia, Italy, and Great Britain.

No one had a clue what to do except for Austria.. The first debate was whether France should be returned to its original boundaries ( an obvious "yes" since Napoleon took over half of Europe). Everyone voted "no" except for Austria.

..GG.

We ended up getting most land next to Russia, who already had the largest anyways.


i would begg to differ mrs allen said we expanded the most from what we  had
so we win
o yeah how did it feel to be backstabbed by the almighty prussians



USA>than all
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: TeHFoOoL on June 05, 2006, 10:48:14 pm


Nice try, Asian.

We had this reinactment of "Congress of Vienna" at school. For a brief history review:

The congress of Vienna held place after Napoleon was captured and all the land he captured had to be redistributed.

Anyways, the countries involved were: France, Prussia ( Azn was in that  ), Austria ( newby and I were in it), Russia, Italy, and Great Britain.

No one had a clue what to do except for Austria.. The first debate was whether France should be returned to its original boundaries ( an obvious "yes" since Napoleon took over half of Europe). Everyone voted "no" except for Austria.

..GG.

We ended up getting most land next to Russia, who already had the largest anyways.


i would begg to differ mrs allen said we expanded the most from what we  had
so we win
o yeah how did it feel to be backstabbed by the almighty prussians



USA>than all

As if we didn't know it was coming.. Lmfao.

Before the Congress:

Grant: Okay, we're going to get what we want from Austria then backstab their German asses.

Hmm.. How not conspicuous.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: GameSnake on June 05, 2006, 10:51:38 pm
You damn pansys. Have pride in your country, the United States of America, if we should need a war drive you guys would fuck us over.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Sidoh on June 05, 2006, 11:12:09 pm
You damn pansys. Have pride in your country, the United States of America, if we should need a war drive you guys would fuck us over.

I'm going to be brash.  GameSnake, you're a fucking retard.

Why should I have illogical pride for my country?  I've already stated that the US is a great place to live.  I'm simply saying that you're enormously stupid if you honestly think "the US is the greatest country on Earth" if you've lived here all your life.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 05, 2006, 11:24:56 pm
there is only 1 true nation and that is USA
everyone else can go to hell

Yours as well.

Seriously, are you guys this stupid?  I'm not denying the fact that the USA is a great country, but the "best" country in someone's mind is based on highly subjective observations and conclusions.
If money is power, USA has the most power.
Game over.
..Uh, we don't have the most money.  We have the most lack OF money, but China has the most money iirc.  Plus they own almost all of our debts.
I was pretty sure it was Japan that owned alot of our debt.


ANYWAYS, I think we're the greatest, yeah, but I'm SLIGHTLY biased ;)...we all are, so none of us can say anything.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Newby on June 05, 2006, 11:29:48 pm
i would begg to differ mrs allen said we expanded the most from what we  had
so we win
o yeah how did it feel to be backstabbed by the almighty prussians

How did it feel to have to split Saxony AND the Grand Duchy of Poland (the only two countries you originally wanted) with us?

And it was easy to expand out from what you guys had, you guys had shit.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: deadly7 on June 05, 2006, 11:36:53 pm
You quoted the wrong person James.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 05, 2006, 11:46:03 pm
See, we can catch terrorists without infringing on people's rights and privacy. 
So, what, they just came and told you that they were stockpiling weapons there?

I mean, just to be clear; *SOMEONE* had to infringe on their right to privacy.  Otherwise nobody would have known whether they were stockpiling weapons.

The method is the important part.  If evidence is obtained in a legal way, and the evidence is presented to a judge who decides the evidence is strong enough to take further measures, that's fine. 


To everybody arguing completely vapourous points -- this "study" (http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3372495&d=2005) factored in a whole bunch of.... factors, and determined which countries are the best to live in.  The US is #13, according to that (with Canada very close behind, at #14). 

Of course, it doesn't take into account all the reasons why I consider Canada to be a superiour country, which is fine.  I suspect that Canada isn't the best all around country, but I still think it's a damn good one.  Since I've never lived in any of the other countries on that list, I couldn't make a statement about them. 

Here's another study (http://www.mercerhr.co.uk/pressrelease/details.jhtml?idContent=1173105), which I believe is funded by the UN, which determines which cities are the best ones to live in based on political stability, culture, environment, recreation, etc.  This study ranks Zurich, Switzerland and Geneva, Switzerland the best cities to live in, with Vancouver close behind. 

Those studies are mostly meaningless, obviously, because they only take certain characteristics into consideration.  But at least they can be the basis for possible intelligent argument, not just the useless "We're better!" responses. 

And incidentally, if money is power, than the US has the least power.  With the largest national debt of all countries, the US technically has the least money :P
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Newby on June 05, 2006, 11:46:20 pm
You quoted the wrong person James.

Go fuck yourself. I didn't misquote shit.

[/joke from morning glory]
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Joe on June 05, 2006, 11:51:31 pm
I say Canada is better than USA. First reason, they don't have a president, they have a prime minister. Basically the same, but it's a more churchey title so I like it! =) =)

Second, they have high taxes. And do you know why? So that Medical insurance is provided by the country and not the people themselves, which leads to poor people not getting screwed over from the day they're born, but actually getting their lives saved and potentially ammounting to something.

Third, iago lives there.

I'll ramble more when I'm not putting up with Tory's POS laptop keyboard on his bed.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 05, 2006, 11:59:38 pm
See, we can catch terrorists without infringing on people's rights and privacy. 
So, what, they just came and told you that they were stockpiling weapons there?

I mean, just to be clear; *SOMEONE* had to infringe on their right to privacy.  Otherwise nobody would have known whether they were stockpiling weapons.

The method is the important part.  If evidence is obtained in a legal way, and the evidence is presented to a judge who decides the evidence is strong enough to take further measures, that's fine. 

But what happens if that system is too slow?

Or, why cant it just be that the "snitch" is made up of the companies that provide the government with info that can allow the gov. to draw certain conclusions when they place this info with that info?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 06, 2006, 12:00:30 am
I say Canada is better than USA. First reason, they don't have a president, they have a prime minister. Basically the same, but it's a more churchey title so I like it! =) =)

Second, they have high taxes. And do you know why? So that Medical insurance is provided by the country and not the people themselves, which leads to poor people not getting screwed over from the day they're born, but actually getting their lives saved and potentially ammounting to something.

Third, iago lives there.

I'll ramble more when I'm not putting up with Tory's POS laptop keyboard on his bed.

Despite what Joe says, Canada is still great.  Don't listen to him. 

And I think we'd all like to know what you're doing in bed with Tory
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 06, 2006, 12:08:05 am
I say Canada is better than USA. First reason, they don't have a president, they have a prime minister. Basically the same, but it's a more churchey title so I like it! =) =)

Second, they have high taxes. And do you know why? So that Medical insurance is provided by the country and not the people themselves, which leads to poor people not getting screwed over from the day they're born, but actually getting their lives saved and potentially ammounting to something.

Third, iago lives there.

I'll ramble more when I'm not putting up with Tory's POS laptop keyboard on his bed.

Despite what Joe says, Canada is still great.  Don't listen to him. 

were we listening to him before?...
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: GameSnake on June 06, 2006, 01:00:28 am
You damn pansys. Have pride in your country, the United States of America, if we should need a war drive you guys would fuck us over.

I'm going to be brash.  GameSnake, you're a fucking retard.

Why should I have illogical pride for my country?  I've already stated that the US is a great place to live.  I'm simply saying that you're enormously stupid if you honestly think "the US is the greatest country on Earth" if you've lived here all your life.
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU, WHY DO YOU KEEP BLATANLY FLAMING AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT??
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Blaze on June 06, 2006, 01:13:32 am
Despite what Joe says, Canada is still great.  Don't listen to him. 

And I think we'd all like to know what you're doing in bed with Tory

I sign all three of those sentences.


You damn pansys. Have pride in your country, the United States of America, if we should need a war drive you guys would fuck us over.

I'm going to be brash.  GameSnake, you're a fucking retard.

Why should I have illogical pride for my country?  I've already stated that the US is a great place to live.  I'm simply saying that you're enormously stupid if you honestly think "the US is the greatest country on Earth" if you've lived here all your life.
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU, WHY DO YOU KEEP BLATANLY FLAMING AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT??

Well, you ARE being retarded.



By the way, they were from MY City.  They had 10 times the amount of explosives then the oklahoma bombing.  Not to mention Canada has recently been named as a terrorist target due to we're ACTUALLY FIGHTING in Afganhistan.

Many of my friends lived near these terrorists, which will serve life terms.

Three of the people were formore students of my highschool, so we had the media around all day trying to get peoples comments.  (My school had produced Drug dealers, Alchololics, and now we get to add Terrorists to the list.  Yay.)

I don't feel safe, anymore.  :-\
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Warrior on June 06, 2006, 06:43:52 am
Heres the fun part about the US, if we dont have something we take it. Oil? What lets take it. Money? Let's take it. We are the top country, hands down no questions asked.

This is obviously a joke

The united states enjoys the most freedom of the world however, we set an example for every other nation to act on. Withought us having the balls to do that all of you would still be paying taxes to some king or queen.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 06, 2006, 08:10:43 am
By the way, they were from MY City.  They had 10 times the amount of explosives then the oklahoma bombing.  Not to mention Canada has recently been named as a terrorist target due to we're ACTUALLY FIGHTING in Afganhistan.

Many of my friends lived near these terrorists, which will serve life terms.

Three of the people were formore students of my highschool, so we had the media around all day trying to get peoples comments.  (My school had produced Drug dealers, Alchololics, and now we get to add Terrorists to the list.  Yay.)

I don't feel safe, anymore.  :-\
I think we all want to know, why are your friends serving life terms? :P

The terrorists are such a huge minority that I wouldn't be too scared.  Just stay away from the CN tower, it's bound to go down eventually. 

The united states enjoys the most freedom of the world however, we set an example for every other nation to act on. Withought us having the balls to do that all of you would still be paying taxes to some king or queen.
There were states that didn't have kings/queens before America, and there are currently states that have a king/queen.  Therefore, nothing has changed. 
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: rabbit on June 06, 2006, 08:13:58 am
You damn pansys. Have pride in your country, the United States of America, if we should need a war drive you guys would fuck us over.
You claimed to be from Amsterdam for a very long time.  You of all people are not allowed to say this.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: BigAznDaddy on June 06, 2006, 09:24:14 am

Go fuck yourself. I didn't misquote shit.

[/joke from morning glory]

calm down james
your just mad we backstabbed you in the congress
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 06, 2006, 09:33:37 am
You damn pansys. Have pride in your country, the United States of America, if we should need a war drive you guys would fuck us over.
You claimed to be from Amsterdam for a very long time.  You of all people are not allowed to say this.
Haha, touche
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Sidoh on June 06, 2006, 02:55:59 pm
Despite what Joe says, Canada is still great.  Don't listen to him. 

And I think we'd all like to know what you're doing in bed with Tory

HAHAHAHAH

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU, WHY DO YOU KEEP BLATANLY FLAMING AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT??

/snub

You claimed to be from Amsterdam for a very long time.  You of all people are not allowed to say this.

Hahahah...

Heres the fun part about the US, if we dont have something we take it. Oil? What lets take it. Money? Let's take it. We are the top country, hands down no questions asked.

This is obviously a joke

The united states enjoys the most freedom of the world however, we set an example for every other nation to act on. Withought us having the balls to do that all of you would still be paying taxes to some king or queen.

I don't see Canada begging the US for oil.  Just because we have the most resources at our disposal (which is not necessarily true to begin with) does not mean that the US is the best country.  There's more to it.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: rabbit on June 06, 2006, 04:22:27 pm
In my opinion, the US is up there, mostly because any citizen can poke fun at anyone (particularly political figures) and not be sentenced to death.  Go first amendment.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Sidoh on June 06, 2006, 04:28:43 pm
In my opinion, the US is up there, mostly because any citizen can poke fun at anyone (particularly political figures) and not be sentenced to death.  Go first amendment.

No doubt the US is up there.  I'm not arguing against that.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: ZeroX on June 06, 2006, 06:47:11 pm
In my opinion, the US is up there, mostly because any citizen can poke fun at anyone (particularly political figures) and not be sentenced to death.  Go first amendment.

No doubt the US is up there.  I'm not arguing against that.

Agreed. Any country that has been using the same constitution and declaration for more then 200 years now should be up there.

(http://stream.paranode.com/imc/portland/images/2004/11/303208.gif)

GO USA!
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: rabbit on June 06, 2006, 08:00:15 pm
The Confederate States died.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 06, 2006, 08:36:00 pm
Agreed. Any country that has been using the same constitution and declaration for more then 200 years now should be up there.

Hmm, I'd personally go the other way.  Any country that's still living their lives by a document written 200 years ago should be at the bottom. 
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Newby on June 06, 2006, 08:37:54 pm
Hmm, I'd personally go the other way.  Any country that's still living their lives by a document written 200 years ago should be at the bottom. 

I'm surprised that since you believe this, you're not using bleeding-edge Windows software and such.

I thought you were for things that were stable and established.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 06, 2006, 08:39:50 pm
Hmm, I'd personally go the other way.  Any country that's still living their lives by a document written 200 years ago should be at the bottom. 

I'm surprised that since you believe this, you're not using bleeding-edge Windows software and such.

I thought you were for things that were stable and established.
I use bleeding-edge Linux software.  Most of what I have is the early releases of new versions.  Windows doesn't have bleeding edge tools, only released software. 
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Sidoh on June 06, 2006, 10:30:07 pm
Haha... that's a kind of bad analogy.

We use the same backbone.  I'm extremely politically illiterate (I choose to be), but I'm pretty sure we have multitudes of amendments.  How long has Canada used its same Consitution?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 06, 2006, 10:41:35 pm
Haha... that's a kind of bad analogy.

We use the same backbone.  I'm extremely politically illiterate (I choose to be), but I'm pretty sure we have multitudes of amendments.  How long has Canada used its same Consitution?
I'm not sure how long we've had a constitution, or if we even have one.  we've only been a country since 1867, so it can't be more than 130 years old. 

Anyways, I was joking :P
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 07, 2006, 12:49:15 am
Agreed. Any country that has been using the same constitution and declaration for more then 200 years now should be up there.

Hmm, I'd personally go the other way.  Any country that's still living their lives by a document written 200 years ago should be at the bottom. 
So basically the mid east is like the worst part of the world?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Joe on June 07, 2006, 12:55:15 am
Hmm, I'd personally go the other way.  Any country that's still living their lives by a document written 200 years ago should be at the bottom. 

I'm surprised that since you believe this, you're not using bleeding-edge Windows software and such.

I thought you were for things that were stable and established.

By using Linux he's prepared for even the stable software to break at times. If we don't want that, we'll use Windows.

Living in America, stable things break too. The alternative is Canada.

@CrAz3D: I think that the Koran is a lot older than that. As for the Torah, that was written two years after the world began (I believe), but that's a different story.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 07, 2006, 01:03:12 am
Mid east = muslim/islam/whatever = koran, no?............

As for the Torah, that was written two years after the world began (I believe), but that's a different story.
2 years after the world began?.........so like before life of ANYTHING existed?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Sidoh on June 07, 2006, 01:10:03 am
Crazed: you can't prove that Joe's beliefs are false.  He can't prove that they're true either, but that's not the point.  He can believe that the world began shortly before the Toran was written if he wants.

Also, Joe, wasn't Genesis and whatnot written by Moses?  He lived quite a while after the world began.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 07, 2006, 01:14:12 am
Crazed: you can't prove that Joe's beliefs are false.  He can't prove that they're true either, but that's not the point.  He can believe that the world began shortly before the Toran was written if he wants.

no, Joe's thing would be unpossible (I know, its wrong).......writing was invented ... like 2000 bc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writing)....writing was invented by people....who did we invent something before we existed?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: rabbit on June 07, 2006, 08:06:56 am
Actually I'd say that for any country which has been around for longer than about 400 years.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: ZeroX on June 07, 2006, 12:34:37 pm
Actually I'd say that for any country which has been around for longer than about 400 years.

The US didnt becomes its own country from Great Britians hold until 1776. So that would make us around 230 years old. Not even close to 400.

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Crazed: you can't prove that Joe's beliefs are false.  He can't prove that they're true either, but that's not the point.  He can believe that the world began shortly before the Toran was written if he wants.


Ignorance is bliss. 2 years after the world was made would send us back almost 100 billion years ago [If that] You cant really prove a doucment was written back then and it is still in its entirety to this day.

@Joe. If you can answer this one question I will STFU on the bible all togther. Why isnt there one seard of Text mention on the dinosaurs in the Bible, Koran, Toran? I would really like to hear your answer. I have got the following from friends/HardcoreChristans.

1. "Noah didnt like the dinosaurs so he didnt let them on the boat"
2. "When Jesus was killed The dinosaurs died"

And my all time favorite

3. "Dinosaurs were never real. People just made bones and put them togther to look like Dinosaurs."    
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: d&q on June 07, 2006, 12:52:49 pm
How do you know the 7 days described were the days we have now? A 'day' could have meant 5 billion years, 2 seconds, or any period of time. The animals he created could have included dinosaurs for all we know, as the Bible doesn't get specific. The animals he created 'Monday' could've died out by 'Thursday'. Even if that was not the case, as Sidoh said, Joe should be free to believe whatever he wants. Why all the harsh criticism?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 07, 2006, 01:08:50 pm
Actually I'd say that for any country which has been around for longer than about 400 years.

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Crazed: you can't prove that Joe's beliefs are false.  He can't prove that they're true either, but that's not the point.  He can believe that the world began shortly before the Toran was written if he wants.


Ignorance is bliss. 2 years after the world was made would send us back almost 100 billion years ago [If that] You cant really prove a doucment was written back then and it is still in its entirety to this day.

uhm, 4.6 billionis how old the earth is IIRC.

+, maybe the bible doesnt say stuff about dinos cause they hadnt finded the fozziles yet?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: rabbit on June 07, 2006, 01:10:45 pm
Actually I'd say that for any country which has been around for longer than about 400 years.

The US didnt becomes its own country from Great Britians hold until 1776. So that would make us around 230 years old. Not even close to 400.
Hence it's fine if we still use it.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Joe on June 07, 2006, 01:53:02 pm
ZeroX, where does it say anything in the bible about cats or mammoths? It doesn't, but they still exist.

Deuce, God is omnipotent and knew what we'd call a day and wrote it as a "day", because we'd understand it.

CrAz3D: If the big bang theory is totally crap, who's to say the world has been around >6k years? I'm really doubting that it's much more than the upper 5000s, because they've found Noah's ark, which occured 8 years after the world began (I believe). Of course, from your point of view, it might not have been Noah's, but whatever.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Sidoh on June 07, 2006, 02:26:16 pm
Crazed, even the evidence suggesting that the world is 4-5 billion years old leaves room for reasonable doubt.  It does not provide an inherent answer to the question "Just how old is this planet?  The Universe?"

According to passages in the bible, as Joe has said, the world is about 6,000 years old.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 07, 2006, 04:48:34 pm
Believing in dinosaurs/pre-historic man and believing the direct text of the Bible are mutually exclusive.  So if you're a literal Christian, you can't believe in dinosaurs. 

But God obviously put them there to confuse us.  Duh.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Warrior on June 07, 2006, 04:57:51 pm
I don't see Canada begging the US for oil.  Just because we have the most resources at our disposal (which is not necessarily true to begin with) does not mean that the US is the best country.  There's more to it.

Yea it was a joke but really, withought the US who would of won WW2? Britain was on their knees and no one else had our military powers except maybe the SU and I doubt they would of won had we not come to back them up.

Oh yea, withought the US who would of won the cold war?

Face it, we kick ass. Everyone's jealous. No other country has the balls to do what we do and we do it with a smile on our faces and a beer waiting back home.

Let's see, so perhaps maybe we should let the terrorists continue to grow in the middle east. Perhaps we should leave Canada to get attacked by terrorists, leave any country to get attacked by terrorist. Face it, that isolation bullshit doesn't work. We tried it and pearl harbor happened.

The US is great and I'll be damned if anyone who doesn't live here tells me otherwise.

Fuck the rest of the world, go america.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 07, 2006, 05:27:44 pm
I believe they've only speculated about areas where the ship might lay...

I'm christian, I believe in intelligent design, hardcore creationism just seems stupid to me.  We've found things that say the earth is 4.6billion years old, how do you explain that?  How do you explain the ancestors of humans that date back 60k years?

Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: rabbit on June 07, 2006, 07:26:19 pm
People would say "God made it so".

Anyways, Warrior, the terrorists won.  Their goal was to fuck with our society, and they have.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Super_X on June 07, 2006, 07:30:02 pm
I don't see Canada begging the US for oil.  Just because we have the most resources at our disposal (which is not necessarily true to begin with) does not mean that the US is the best country.  There's more to it.

Yea it was a joke but really, [1] withought the US who would of won WW2? Britain was on their knees and no one else [2] had our military powers except maybe the SU and I doubt they would of won had we not come to back them up.

[3] Oh yea, withought the US who would of won the cold war?

Face it, we kick ass. Everyone's jealous. No other country has the balls to do what we do and we do it with a smile on our faces and a beer waiting back home.

Let's see, so perhaps maybe we should let the terrorists continue to grow in the middle east. Perhaps we should leave Canada to get attacked by terrorists, leave any country to get attacked by terrorist. [4] Face it, that isolation bullshit doesn't work. We tried it and pearl harbor happened.

The US is great and I'll be damned if anyone who doesn't live here tells me otherwise.

Fuck the rest of the world, go america.
Thank you for TOTALY BUTCHERING HISTORY.

1. Probably Nazi Germany. But no one can tell now.
2. We supplied the USSR with most of their wepon's steel. We also sent them ammunition.
3. No one "won" the cold war. It was called the "cold" war because there was no fighting, and really there was just supposid espionage and wepon stockpiling.  The Berlin wall fell because a tired communist official was asked by a soviet news crew what the official buisness was about. He replied "Taking the wall down." Before the soviets where able to snub out that comment and any trail the comment had left, the wall was being taken down. The the USSR just fell from a lack of an economy.
4. We stopped being an isolationist country durring the Spanish American war. 1898. 50 fucking years before pearl harbor. We dug a ditch in the middle of a country. We sold weapons durring WWI. We where in the Pacific and Asia before pearl harbor even happened.

Fuck you, if you say shit know what you're talking about. Don't make rash judgments based off of shreds of facts.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Sidoh on June 07, 2006, 07:48:56 pm
I believe they've only speculated about areas where the ship might lay...

I'm christian, I believe in intelligent design, hardcore creationism just seems stupid to me.  We've found things that say the earth is 4.6billion years old, how do you explain that?  How do you explain the ancestors of humans that date back 60k years?

Are you aware of how Carbon dating works, Crazed?  It checks for an isotope of Carbon (Carbon 14, IIRC) in order to determine the date.  How the hell can you claim that it was impossible for God to create that object with the appropriate amount of Carbon 14 to yield said result at the time of testing?  Christianity poses he's omnipotent... you can't say that's impossible.  That doesn't mean you don't have to believe it, but you must admit that it is an acceptable explanation.  That doesn't mean to say anyone else can claim that your answer is inherently wrong either, but you need to realize that science casts a shadow of doubt just as readily as religion does on this subject.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Warrior on June 07, 2006, 08:31:01 pm
1. Probably Nazi Germany. But no one can tell now.

Okay, just letting you know. We saved the world.

2. We supplied the USSR with most of their wepon's steel. We also sent them ammunition.

I know, aka we saved their asses. Before the war even started we were sending them items.

3. No one "won" the cold war. It was called the "cold" war because there was no fighting, and really there was just supposid espionage and wepon stockpiling.  The Berlin wall fell because a tired communist official was asked by a soviet news crew what the official buisness was about. He replied "Taking the wall down." Before the soviets where able to snub out that comment and any trail the comment had left, the wall was being taken down. The the USSR just fell from a lack of an economy.

I don't see the Soviet Union anywhere today, you don't have to fight to win a war. The cold war is a good example of that.

4. We stopped being an isolationist country durring the Spanish American war. 1898. 50 fucking years before pearl harbor. We dug a ditch in the middle of a country. We sold weapons durring WWI. We where in the Pacific and Asia before pearl harbor even happened.

The point is, most americans thought that we were save, and therefore didn't give the war much thought. We might of supplied weapons and such but we remained in our isolationist mindset until we entered WW2, even after WW1.

Fuck you, if you say shit know what you're talking about. Don't make rash judgments based off of shreds of facts.

Someone seems a bit mad, here's a tissue dumbass. Cry me a river.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Super_X on June 07, 2006, 08:37:30 pm
The point is, most americans thought that we were save, and therefore didn't give the war much thought. We might of supplied weapons and such but we remained in our isolationist mindset until we entered WW2, even after WW1.
You do know that we were in World War 1, right?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Warrior on June 07, 2006, 08:40:45 pm
Of course, I said we resumed isolationism even after WW1, we didn't get into WW2 after most of the damage was dealt. Sure we supplied some weapons but really theres only so far that can go.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 07, 2006, 08:42:07 pm
I believe they've only speculated about areas where the ship might lay...

I'm christian, I believe in intelligent design, hardcore creationism just seems stupid to me.  We've found things that say the earth is 4.6billion years old, how do you explain that?  How do you explain the ancestors of humans that date back 60k years?

Are you aware of how Carbon dating works, Crazed?  It checks for an isotope of Carbon (Carbon 14, IIRC) in order to determine the date.  How the hell can you claim that it was impossible for God to create that object with the appropriate amount of Carbon 14 to yield said result at the time of testing?  Christianity poses he's omnipotent... you can't say that's impossible.  That doesn't mean you don't have to believe it, but you must admit that it is an acceptable explanation.  That doesn't mean to say anyone else can claim that your answer is inherently wrong either, but you need to realize that science casts a shadow of doubt just as readily as religion does on this subject.
Why would God do that?  Create a world with evidence of prehistoric life.. to confuse us?  Or did He want us to have a world that appeared to already be "in use"?

I don't see the Soviet Union anywhere today, you don't have to fight to win a war. The cold war is a good example of that.
In case you didn't know, the Soviet Union broke up in 1986, which is about 20 years after the end of the "war".  I don't think the war killed it. 


And incidentally, being a military power doesn't make a good country. 
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Warrior on June 07, 2006, 08:46:44 pm
Being a military power does help, you see if theres anyone we don't like..we crush them.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: Sidoh on June 07, 2006, 09:03:32 pm
Why would God do that?  Create a world with evidence of prehistoric life.. to confuse us?  Or did He want us to have a world that appeared to already be "in use"?

To test, abolish or question faith.  There are a predetermined number of people that will go to heaven, but unlike Jehova witnesses believe, that number is known onlyby God.  There is no answer to the question "Why did God choose the number he did?"  It is likely beyond comprehention.
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 07, 2006, 10:52:39 pm
I believe they've only speculated about areas where the ship might lay...

I'm christian, I believe in intelligent design, hardcore creationism just seems stupid to me.  We've found things that say the earth is 4.6billion years old, how do you explain that?  How do you explain the ancestors of humans that date back 60k years?

Are you aware of how Carbon dating works, Crazed?  It checks for an isotope of Carbon (Carbon 14, IIRC) in order to determine the date.  How the hell can you claim that it was impossible for God to create that object with the appropriate amount of Carbon 14 to yield said result at the time of testing?  Christianity poses he's omnipotent... you can't say that's impossible.  That doesn't mean you don't have to believe it, but you must admit that it is an acceptable explanation.  That doesn't mean to say anyone else can claim that your answer is inherently wrong either, but you need to realize that science casts a shadow of doubt just as readily as religion does on this subject.
From what I remember of my classes, the carbon releases/leaves/whatever at a constant rate, yes?  So unless that rate was different at sometime it'd be very illogical for something like that to exist.

I believe science helps us understand God in a different way.  I believe it shows us that things in the Bible are not exact/word-for-word.

Heavy rock thinking challenge thing:
Assume God is all PKG (powerful, knowing, good).  Then, can God create an object that is so heavy that even he cannot lift?

Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: iago on June 07, 2006, 11:03:52 pm
Why would God do that?  Create a world with evidence of prehistoric life.. to confuse us?  Or did He want us to have a world that appeared to already be "in use"?

To test, abolish or question faith.  There are a predetermined number of people that will go to heaven, but unlike Jehova witnesses believe, that number is known onlyby God.  There is no answer to the question "Why did God choose the number he did?"  It is likely beyond comprehention.

Sounds like proof that we don't have free will, then.  If there's no free will, then, to use a cliche, why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?
Title: Re: BOOM goes the iago's house!
Post by: CrAz3D on June 07, 2006, 11:13:52 pm

Why would God do that?  Create a world with evidence of prehistoric life.. to confuse us?  Or did He want us to have a world that appeared to already be "in use"?

To test, abolish or question faith.  There are a predetermined number of people that will go to heaven, but unlike Jehova witnesses believe, that number is known onlyby God.  There is no answer to the question "Why did God choose the number he did?"  It is likely beyond comprehention.
whoa, so I can do w/e I want & it wont make a difference whether or not I go to heaven/hell?