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General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: iago on November 09, 2005, 08:41:05 am
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This was stolen from Grok, on vL (gotta give credit :P)
White House: "We do not torture."
White House: "We will vetoe any bill that outlaws torture."
Secret Prisons run by US outside the US to avoid US law:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/08/prison.probe/index.html
Discuss.
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I'm rather disappointed.
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Wow, that's stupid.
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Duh, its America!
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If we don't do it why waist money enacting a law to keep us from doing it?
I don't care if we do it or not; what's more important: possibly saving millions, or hurting one person?
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If we don't do it why waist money enacting a law to keep us from doing it?
I don't care if we do it or not; what's more important: possibly saving millions, or hurting one person?
To make sure it never happens. Why would they refuse to enact a law that could only serve to help, unless they actually think it would hinder them?
I can't believe you would condone torture. Although I don't see how it could save millions. If anybody found out that torture was involved, I'd reckon that there's be more terrorist attacks. Don't forget that people attack America because they hate it, so don't you think that they'd hate it more if they found out that that was happening?
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Of course they torture people. There never was a doubt in my mind that they didn't in the first place. And even if they did enact a law to stop it they'd keep doing it.
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If we don't do it why waist money enacting a law to keep us from doing it?
I don't care if we do it or not; what's more important: possibly saving millions, or hurting one person?
To make sure it never happens. Why would they refuse to enact a law that could only serve to help, unless they actually think it would hinder them?
I can't believe you would condone torture. Although I don't see how it could save millions. If anybody found out that torture was involved, I'd reckon that there's be more terrorist attacks. Don't forget that people attack America because they hate it, so don't you think that they'd hate it more if they found out that that was happening?
No I don't think it would affect the terrorist ideas very much. It's a religious-fuled war, to them anyway, they're fighting for Allah against their religious foe. The only people that really would care are people in America, and people that would rather yell at us from a distance instead of getting into a war with us.
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If we don't do it why waist money enacting a law to keep us from doing it?
I don't care if we do it or not; what's more important: possibly saving millions, or hurting one person?
To make sure it never happens. Why would they refuse to enact a law that could only serve to help, unless they actually think it would hinder them?
I can't believe you would condone torture. Although I don't see how it could save millions. If anybody found out that torture was involved, I'd reckon that there's be more terrorist attacks. Don't forget that people attack America because they hate it, so don't you think that they'd hate it more if they found out that that was happening?
No I don't think it would affect the terrorist ideas very much. It's a religious-fuled war, to them anyway, they're fighting for Allah against their religious foe. The only people that really would care are people in America, and people that would rather yell at us from a distance instead of getting into a war with us.
Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
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I'm siding with trust, if you gotta torture one man to save thousands then by all means do it. Now if they are just torturing to get some sick twisted pleasure out of it. Fuck them..
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Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
Yes. Im pretty sure they believe their leader/creator hates every other religion (and the people who practice them).
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Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
Yes. Im pretty sure they believe their leader/creator hates every other religion (and the people who practice them).
Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
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Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
Why are you asking me? I don't practice their religion. All I know is they believe it's true. :)
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Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
Why are you asking me? I don't practice their religion. All I know is they believe it's true. :)
You seem to know enough to condemn them. But now you admit you don't know much about it? I tend to make a practice to not condemn people for beliefs that I don't know/understand.
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Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
Yes. Im pretty sure they believe their leader/creator hates every other religion (and the people who practice them).
Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
Because the radical Islamics just do. They're stuck in the dark ages and theink they're still fighting in a jihad (and have called it that). America is an overall Christian nation, and anyone that supports it (including by living here, notice muslims died on 9/11) is their enemy and deserves to die.
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Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
Yes. Im pretty sure they believe their leader/creator hates every other religion (and the people who practice them).
Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
I don't know.
(http://www.clubmarket.com/Uploads/MY_IMAGES/63091038607180458/Twin%20Towers%20Under%20Attack%209-11.jpg)
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You seem to know enough to condemn them. But now you admit you don't know much about it? I tend to make a practice to not condemn people for beliefs that I don't know/understand.
Why would suicide bombers yell "FOR ALLAH" before they blew themselves up if this wasn't true? It certainly is true I'm not very informed about the practices of their religion, but I am aware of this particular aspect.
Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
Yes. Im pretty sure they believe their leader/creator hates every other religion (and the people who practice them).
Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
I don't know.
(http://www.clubmarket.com/Uploads/MY_IMAGES/63091038607180458/Twin%20Towers%20Under%20Attack%209-11.jpg)
Good point. :P
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You seem to know enough to condemn them. But now you admit you don't know much about it? I tend to make a practice to not condemn people for beliefs that I don't know/understand.
Why would suicide bombers yell "FOR ALLAH" before they blew themselves up if this wasn't true? It certainly is true I'm not very informed about the practices of their religion, but I am aware of this particular aspect.
Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
Yes. Im pretty sure they believe their leader/creator hates every other religion (and the people who practice them).
Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
I don't know.
(http://www.clubmarket.com/Uploads/MY_IMAGES/63091038607180458/Twin%20Towers%20Under%20Attack%209-11.jpg)
Good point. :P
Some say a picture says a thousand words, well, that says three: Innocence, Mourning, Revenge.
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Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
Yes. Im pretty sure they believe their leader/creator hates every other religion (and the people who practice them).
Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
Because the radical Islamics just do. They're stuck in the dark ages and theink they're still fighting in a jihad (and have called it that). America is an overall Christian nation, and anyone that supports it (including by living here, notice muslims died on 9/11) is their enemy and deserves to die.
If they're against religion, why attack the WTC? I thought that the WTC was attacked because it was an economic target, not religious..
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Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
Yes. Im pretty sure they believe their leader/creator hates every other religion (and the people who practice them).
Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
Because the radical Islamics just do. They're stuck in the dark ages and theink they're still fighting in a jihad (and have called it that). America is an overall Christian nation, and anyone that supports it (including by living here, notice muslims died on 9/11) is their enemy and deserves to die.
If they're against religion, why attack the WTC? I thought that the WTC was attacked because it was an economic target, not religious..
Who even says a reason is needed to kill a person? There's not always logic behind something, take Tupac Shukur's death, he was killed in a drive by, was there any known reasoning behind it? No. Same with terrorism, it's called that for a reason.
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Who even says a reason is needed to kill a person? There's not always logic behind something, take Tupac Shukur's death, he was killed in a drive by, was there any known reasoning behind it? No. Same with terrorism, it's called that for a reason.
Of course there's a reason! Do you really think people would sacrifice their own lives without a reason? I'm pretty sure their religion wouldn't have told them to just for the hell of it.
Terrorism is called that because it's done to provoke terror. It's obviously not possible to fight the US in a clean war, because the US is too powerful. So they fight the war in the only way they can, by trying to destroy the moral; you can't forget, they're people too, with hopes, desires, families, etc.. And, with the help of every newspaper blowing every attack out of proportion, it's working. The entire point of terrorism is the scare people, and the only way to stop that effect is to not tell anybody that it happened. Suddenly, you've made what they do completely pointless, so why would they continue doing it? That's just my belief, though.
Put yourself in their place, for a moment. Say there's a huge evil empire that basically governs or tries to govern the world. Think along the lines of the book 1984, or Farenheight 451, Final Fantasy 3, or even the Cardassian war. I'm not saying America is evil, but people (and yes, we can't forget that they ARE people) do perceive you that way (and this torture thing isn't helping..). How would you, a small group, fight a large evil empire? Would you declare war, and attempt to sail in? Of course not, that's suicide. The only way is to attack it from the inside. Small, strategic attacks, against soft targets, exactly what was done by the Bajorans. Yes, it's dirty fighting, but how else do you suggest fighting a war with an empire like the USA?
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If they're against religion, why attack the WTC? I thought that the WTC was attacked because it was an economic target, not religious..
I'm sure you're aware that the US is built on religious (Christian) morals.
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Torturing people for information is retarded for reasons other than the fact that it's just a horrible thing to do.
From Reservoir Dogs:
If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it fucking so!
It's just a stupid way to try to get information out of someone.
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Torturing people for information is retarded for reasons other than the fact that it's just a horrible thing to do.
From Reservoir Dogs:
If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it fucking so!
It's just a stupid way to try to get information out of someone.
Completely agreed.
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Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
Yes. Im pretty sure they believe their leader/creator hates every other religion (and the people who practice them).
Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
Because the radical Islamics just do. They're stuck in the dark ages and theink they're still fighting in a jihad (and have called it that). America is an overall Christian nation, and anyone that supports it (including by living here, notice muslims died on 9/11) is their enemy and deserves to die.
If they're against religion, why attack the WTC? I thought that the WTC was attacked because it was an economic target, not religious..
Maybe because, you know, it totally disrupted our way of life....
Look at the riots in France, those stupid muslims got pissed because two hoodlum teens were electrocuted when they broke in some place - that was the straw that broke the camels back. They were all mad because France is openly racist towards them, and they were "oppressed." Now the fools (mostly uneducated lower-class muslims from North Africa living in France's version of the projects) are running around beating people to death, setting youth centers and hospitals etc (in their own neighborhoods) on fire, etc. Now, iago, why should they attack their own neighborhood if they're mat at the French government? It proves a point and it does affect the government indirectly.
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Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
Yes. Im pretty sure they believe their leader/creator hates every other religion (and the people who practice them).
Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
Because the radical Islamics just do. They're stuck in the dark ages and theink they're still fighting in a jihad (and have called it that). America is an overall Christian nation, and anyone that supports it (including by living here, notice muslims died on 9/11) is their enemy and deserves to die.
If they're against religion, why attack the WTC? I thought that the WTC was attacked because it was an economic target, not religious..
Maybe because, you know, it totally disrupted our way of life....
When you say "our way of life", do you mean you as a Christian, or you as an American? If it only/mostly disrupted Christians' ways of life, then ok, I'm wrong. But if it disrupted everybody in America, not just Christians, then there's something wrong with that.
It seems like a lot of people also think that living in, for example, Iraq is sufficient cause to be an enemy. I've heard people (Americans, only) say that they should nuke Iraq. How, exactly, is that different from them hating people for living here?
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When you say "our way of life", do you mean you as a Christian, or you as an American? If it only/mostly disrupted Christians' ways of life, then ok, I'm wrong. But if it disrupted everybody in America, not just Christians, then there's something wrong with that.
It seems like a lot of people also think that living in, for example, Iraq is sufficient cause to be an enemy. I've heard people (Americans, only) say that they should nuke Iraq. How, exactly, is that different from them hating people for living here?
No, it affected Americans. The vast majority of Amercains do not share their same views, which they believe "unholy." That's why they did what they did.
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Do you really think they (or their God) would hate you so much for no reason? You can't be THAT blind to believe that's the only reason.
Yes. Im pretty sure they believe their leader/creator hates every other religion (and the people who practice them).
Assuming he does, why? Why would they hate somebody who's innocent? And what about athiests, do they hate them too?
Because the radical Islamics just do. They're stuck in the dark ages and theink they're still fighting in a jihad (and have called it that). America is an overall Christian nation, and anyone that supports it (including by living here, notice muslims died on 9/11) is their enemy and deserves to die.
If they're against religion, why attack the WTC? I thought that the WTC was attacked because it was an economic target, not religious..
Maybe because, you know, it totally disrupted our way of life....
When you say "our way of life", do you mean you as a Christian, or you as an American? If it only/mostly disrupted Christians' ways of life, then ok, I'm wrong. But if it disrupted everybody in America, not just Christians, then there's something wrong with that.
It seems like a lot of people also think that living in, for example, Iraq is sufficient cause to be an enemy. I've heard people (Americans, only) say that they should nuke Iraq. How, exactly, is that different from them hating people for living here?
You know what the problem arguing with someone from Canada is? The fact that no one goes to war with Canada, because they have nothing of any need to anyone else, they don't help outside country's (for the most part), immigrants don't try and get in their country, and if Canada was attacked for some reason, the only one helping you would be America. IMHO Canadians have no right to put down any other country, because they don't have one mother fuckin thing to back them up if they're insulted.
The fact that no one ever does anything between Canada isn't a good reason for you to be bashing on America just because you're not powerful enough to do anything. As Sidoh said, this country was started based on Relgion, who the FUCK are you trying to tell that we're not a religious country? The fact that we don't kill people for not worshiping one god? Sorry, but that's not human, and that's not fair. The country was founded for freedom of religion, this much later we're still the land of the free, and still have freedom of religion, people still are trying to get into our country, and what does that tell you? How in any god damned way does that tell you that we're "evil"? Lets go back to the days of the WW's, we liberated the french from the Nazi's, did we have to? No. Were people trying to get into Germany at all costs at that time? No. Were people trying to escape to places such as America? Yes. We're at war now even and people are still trying to get into our country. Why? We're obviously not "evil", that's for sure.
Now iago, you are so for the fact that people murder for a reason, tell me, does that reason have to be just? Or simply does it need to be a reason of any kind? i.e. Hitler killed millions because they were Jewish, does that make it just? Because he didn't like Jews? Even though he was born under a Jewish mother? Sadam killed millions of his own, let alone attacked us multiple times, so tell me, do you know why? You obviously don't so stop trying to justify it. If Canada was attacked that severely they'd fight back too, but they don't, why? Because they would get owned, your country is way too weak to even speak of war, it's stupid and pointless to talk about war for you guys because you've simply never had it, and never will due to your millitary looking like this:
(http://dark-wire.net/screenor/everything/Funny%20Images/battleshipcanada.jpg)
You shouldn't bash your country's only line of defense.
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You know what the problem arguing with someone from Canada is? The fact that no one goes to war with Canada, because they have nothing of any need to anyone else
I thought it was pretty clearly stated here that they were fighting because of religion. And you said that they were fighting for no reason. So why does their religion hate America but not hate Canada, as you're implying?
they don't help outside country's (for the most part),
That's crap. We have peacekeeping troops all over the world, and we've fought in all the major wars.
I looked it up. We have peacekeepers currently in the following countries/regions:
[NOTE: these numbers are from 2003. The current ones wouldn't be much different, however]
- Middle East (since 1948)
- Korea (since 1953)
- Cyprus (since 1964)
- Syria (Golan) (since 1974)
- Lebanon (since 1978)
- Sinia (since 1986)
- Balkins (over 4 missions since 1991)
- Iraq/Kuwait (since 1991)
- Western Sahara (since 1991)
- Cambodia (since 1992)
- Georgie (since 1993)
- Liberia (since 1993)
- The Netherlands (since 1993)
- Guatemala (since 1994)
- Haiti (since 1997)
Source: http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/peacekeeping/missions-en.asp
immigrants don't try and get in their country
We have lots of immigration. From the year 1995 - 2004, the total number of annual immigrants was:
212,869 226,073 216,038 174,200 189,966 227,465 250,638 229,040 221,355 235,824
That's no small number. In those years, these are the total numbers of refugees per annum:
27,193 28,097 23,865 22,506 24,357 30,078 27,914 25,109 25,981 32,685
Source: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/pub/facts2004.pdf [warning >1mb]
<edit> And don't forget, Canada's total population is only about 31million (as of 2001 source (http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo03.htm)), so that's a significant percentage.
if Canada was attacked for some reason, the only one helping you would be America.
Again, that's crap. Britain would help us for sure. And don't forget, if the US was attacked, Canada would probably be the only one helping, too.
IMHO Canadians have no right to put down any other country, because they don't have one mother fuckin thing to back them up if they're insulted.
Well, it's hard to be insulted by ignorant American children who know nothing about Canada. But hopefully the facts I've posted here will open your eyes a little, although I doubt it.
Your first paragraph is so grossly misinformed that I'm not going to waste my time reading the rest of your post. Please don't waste my time until you actually learn a little about my country, ok?
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You know what the problem arguing with someone from Canada is? The fact that no one goes to war with Canada, because they have nothing of any need to anyone else
I thought it was pretty clearly stated here that they were fighting because of religion. And you said that they were fighting for no reason. So why does their religion hate America but not hate Canada, as you're implying?
So YOU'RE implying that there can't be more then one probabillity? And by the way: We declared war with them, not the other way around. We did so due to the attacks such as 9/11.
they don't help outside country's (for the most part),
That's crap. We have peacekeeping troops all over the world, and we've fought in all the major wars.
I looked it up. We have peacekeepers currently in the following countries/regions:
[NOTE: these numbers are from 2003. The current ones wouldn't be much different, however]
- Middle East (since 1948)
- Korea (since 1953)
- Cyprus (since 1964)
- Syria (Golan) (since 1974)
- Lebanon (since 1978)
- Sinia (since 1986)
- Balkins (over 4 missions since 1991)
- Iraq/Kuwait (since 1991)
- Western Sahara (since 1991)
- Cambodia (since 1992)
- Georgie (since 1993)
- Liberia (since 1993)
- The Netherlands (since 1993)
- Guatemala (since 1994)
- Haiti (since 1997)
Source: http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/peacekeeping/missions-en.asp
Peacekeeping doesn't support economy, you're not helping other country's, you're keeping yourselves from getting owned.
immigrants don't try and get in their country
We have lots of immigration. From the year 1995 - 2004, the total number of annual immigrants was:
212,869 226,073 216,038 174,200 189,966 227,465 250,638 229,040 221,355 235,824
That's no small number. In those years, these are the total numbers of refugees per annum:
27,193 28,097 23,865 22,506 24,357 30,078 27,914 25,109 25,981 32,685
Source: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/pub/facts2004.pdf [warning >1mb]
<edit> And don't forget, Canada's total population is only about 31million (as of 2001 source (http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo03.htm)), so that's a significant percentage.
Those numbers are pretty much bull, Canada immigration as compared to America is nothing.
if Canada was attacked for some reason, the only one helping you would be America.
Again, that's crap. Britain would help us for sure. And don't forget, if the US was attacked, Canada would probably be the only one helping, too.
No shit? If we were taken out you'd be the obvious secondary target.
IMHO Canadians have no right to put down any other country, because they don't have one mother fuckin thing to back them up if they're insulted.
Well, it's hard to be insulted by ignorant American children who know nothing about Canada. But hopefully the facts I've posted here will open your eyes a little, although I doubt it.
Your first paragraph is so grossly misinformed that I'm not going to waste my time reading the rest of your post. Please don't waste my time until you actually learn a little about my country, ok?
You're forgetting the fact that this (being your clan), IS a majority of American children, correct? The only reason we don't know much about Canada is the fact that it's not important enough to waste time learning about how it was formed by the French and Britans that lost to us in the Revolutionary war. Please don't waste our time untill you learn a little more about our country, ok?
I don't directly dislike you, I do however (along with most people here) dislike the fact that you insult America so easily like it's nothing, it's pitiful and at large, disgraceful.
This is just like the Microsoft discussion we had a while back. Every country has their flaws, America is just the largest, and therefore receives the most bullshit from lesser, more jealous country's.
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bin Laden came out and said they won't stop the attacking based on how we act, for one.
An example I can recall is allowing pornography on the internet. So, while "jihad" is a religious war, and to them this is a religious war, they're also against the customs that we allow (ie. respecting women and etc.) So they're not just picking and choosing Christians to kill.
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You know what the problem arguing with someone from Canada is? The fact that no one goes to war with Canada, because they have nothing of any need to anyone else
I thought it was pretty clearly stated here that they were fighting because of religion. And you said that they were fighting for no reason. So why does their religion hate America but not hate Canada, as you're implying?
So YOU'RE implying that there can't be more then one probabillity? And by the way: We declared war with them, not the other way around. We did so due to the attacks such as 9/11.
they don't help outside country's (for the most part),
That's crap. We have peacekeeping troops all over the world, and we've fought in all the major wars.
I looked it up. We have peacekeepers currently in the following countries/regions:
[NOTE: these numbers are from 2003. The current ones wouldn't be much different, however]
- Middle East (since 1948)
- Korea (since 1953)
- Cyprus (since 1964)
- Syria (Golan) (since 1974)
- Lebanon (since 1978)
- Sinia (since 1986)
- Balkins (over 4 missions since 1991)
- Iraq/Kuwait (since 1991)
- Western Sahara (since 1991)
- Cambodia (since 1992)
- Georgie (since 1993)
- Liberia (since 1993)
- The Netherlands (since 1993)
- Guatemala (since 1994)
- Haiti (since 1997)
Source: http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/peacekeeping/missions-en.asp
Peacekeeping doesn't support economy, you're not helping other country's, you're keeping yourselves from getting owned.
immigrants don't try and get in their country
We have lots of immigration. From the year 1995 - 2004, the total number of annual immigrants was:
212,869 226,073 216,038 174,200 189,966 227,465 250,638 229,040 221,355 235,824
That's no small number. In those years, these are the total numbers of refugees per annum:
27,193 28,097 23,865 22,506 24,357 30,078 27,914 25,109 25,981 32,685
Source: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/pub/facts2004.pdf [warning >1mb]
<edit> And don't forget, Canada's total population is only about 31million (as of 2001 source (http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo03.htm)), so that's a significant percentage.
Those numbers are pretty much bull, Canada immigration as compared to America is nothing.
if Canada was attacked for some reason, the only one helping you would be America.
Again, that's crap. Britain would help us for sure. And don't forget, if the US was attacked, Canada would probably be the only one helping, too.
No shit? If we were taken out you'd be the obvious secondary target.
IMHO Canadians have no right to put down any other country, because they don't have one mother fuckin thing to back them up if they're insulted.
Well, it's hard to be insulted by ignorant American children who know nothing about Canada. But hopefully the facts I've posted here will open your eyes a little, although I doubt it.
Your first paragraph is so grossly misinformed that I'm not going to waste my time reading the rest of your post. Please don't waste my time until you actually learn a little about my country, ok?
You're forgetting the fact that this (being your clan), IS a majority of American children, correct? The only reason we don't know much about Canada is the fact that it's not important enough to waste time learning about how it was formed by the French and Britans that lost to us in the Revolutionary war. Please don't waste our time untill you learn a little more about our country, ok?
I don't directly dislike you, I do however (along with most people here) dislike the fact that you insult America so easily like it's nothing, it's pitiful and at large, disgraceful.
This is just like the Microsoft discussion we had a while back. Every country has their flaws, America is just the largest, and therefore receives the most bullshit from lesser, more jealous country's.
You're worried about people insulting your country, but you're doing the EXACT same thing to mine? At least I know about your country. I am quite familiar with how it works.
And why don't we count? Is it because of the reasons that you gave in your last post? No, those were all make belief. Is it because Americans are self-centered bigots? Perhaps. Why don't Americans think that it's worth knowing about Canada (or, in fact, any other country)?
Also, in this thread, I don't think I insulted Americans until this and my previous post. You're the one who brought it up. I was trying to consider reasons why you were attacked and we weren't.
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Why don't Americans think that it's worth knowing about Canada (or, in fact, any other country)?
That's a really, really good question. The answer is simple, though: we're ignorent, lazy bastards (on average).
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Why don't Americans think that it's worth knowing about Canada (or, in fact, any other country)?
That's a really, really good question. The answer is simple, though: we're ignorent, lazy bastards (on average).
Haha, I believe I used the word "bigots" but close enough :-)
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iago for the win.
This country is fucked up and I hope it sees some significant changes within my lifetime. If all else fails, you can always shelter me in canada, right??
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iago for the win.
This country is fucked up and I hope it sees some significant changes within my lifetime. If all else fails, you can always shelter me in canada, right??
Sorry. I plan on shackin' it up with iago (or at least visiting him) when I'm 18!
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iago for the win.
This country is fucked up and I hope it sees some significant changes within my lifetime. If all else fails, you can always shelter me in canada, right??
Sorry. I plan on shackin' it up with iago (or at least visiting him) when I'm 18!
There's room for both of youze! :-P
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iago for the win.
This country is fucked up and I hope it sees some significant changes within my lifetime. If all else fails, you can always shelter me in canada, right??
Sorry. I plan on shackin' it up with iago (or at least visiting him) when I'm 18!
Why 18..? Or do I even want to know the answer to this one?
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Why 18..? Or do I even want to know the answer to this one?
I don't think you can legally decide to move (at least without the consent of some other organization) if your parents don't agree with it until you're 18+.
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Why 18..? Or do I even want to know the answer to this one?
I don't think you can legally decide to move (at least without the consent of some other organization) if your parents don't agree with it until you're 18+.
I think he just wants to visit. It just seems bad, especially from the point of view of parents, if he's under 18...
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I think he just wants to visit. It just seems bad, especially from the point of view of parents, if he's under 18...
hehe. :)
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Why 18..? Or do I even want to know the answer to this one?
I don't think you can legally decide to move (at least without the consent of some other organization) if your parents don't agree with it until you're 18+.
I think he just wants to visit. It just seems bad, especially from the point of view of parents, if he's under 18...
Exactly! I'm going to visit the giant monster known as Ron, and check out how elite Canada is!
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Why 18..? Or do I even want to know the answer to this one?
I don't think you can legally decide to move (at least without the consent of some other organization) if your parents don't agree with it until you're 18+.
I think he just wants to visit. It just seems bad, especially from the point of view of parents, if he's under 18...
Exactly! I'm going to visit the giant monster known as Ron, and check out how elite Canada is!
You're going to be sadly disappointed...
Unless you want to pirate music in freedom, then you'll be impressed.
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Its funny how easily americans forget about there losses. War of 1812. Us > You.
We had tons of the northern states, including The White House, which we gave back to you to white wash.
I am so sick of every American saying they've won every war, blah blah blah, they're the best, blah blah blah, it was only them fighting in World war two, blah blah blah.
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Its funny how easily americans forget about there losses. War of 1812. Us > You.
We had tons of the northern states, including The White House, which we gave back to you to white wash.
I am so sick of every American saying they've won every war, blah blah blah, they're the best, blah blah blah, it was only them fighting in World war two, blah blah blah.
It's too bad that's a horrible stereotype, Blaze. :P
Most of my friends talk with our foreign exchange student about how much America sucks for those types of thngs.
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Its funny how easily americans forget about there losses. War of 1812. Us > You.
We had tons of the northern states, including The White House, which we gave back to you to white wash.
I am so sick of every American saying they've won every war, blah blah blah, they're the best, blah blah blah, it was only them fighting in World war two, blah blah blah.
Americans don't believe that they lost the war. I'm sure Trust will fill us in when he reads this.
Two small problems, though:
1) That was before Canada was officially a country, so it's difficult to take credit for it. My province certainly wasn't anything special back then, at least yours existed :-P
2) Our current army is still using the same weapons from that war (joking of course.... or am I?)
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Its funny how easily americans forget about there losses. War of 1812. Us > You.
We had tons of the northern states, including The White House, which we gave back to you to white wash.
I am so sick of every American saying they've won every war, blah blah blah, they're the best, blah blah blah, it was only them fighting in World war two, blah blah blah.
Actually, and that's pretty weird because we went over our past wars in History class just yesterday, and if I was actually listening correctly, I heard this:
The War of 1812 was started (and it was very humiliating for us in the beginning) due to the britans hijacking our ships and making our sailors work on their boats, eventually we got tired of it and declared war, thing is that mainly, neither side won, because we both came to an agreement without many loses on either side, but many Americans to this day still consider it our victory, because we didn't lose. Mainly it was a draw however, just that the fact that it was finally over with, is why most Americans look at it as a victory.
Blaze: Canada was founded by the French originally, not the Britans. -_- And the fact that your whole country can take over our seven northern states isn't really impressive, considering we have 43 others you'd have to fight for. :)
And btw, the White House isn't exactly located in a "Northern State". :P
Also, we never said and never will say we were the only ones fighting in WW2, google is your friend. ;)
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You're going to be sadly disappointed...
Unless you want to pirate music in freedom, then you'll be impressed.
That's the plan! Sit in your basement, pirate a whole lotta music (maybe buy a huge hard-drive (300gb?) to fill) and then leave in a year or so!
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We already know that you are totally ignorant about Canada, so I'm not going to waste my time with a big response.
Actually, and that's pretty weird because we went over our past wars in History class just yesterday, and if I was actually listening correctly, I heard this:
The War of 1812 was started (and it was very humiliating for us in the beginning) due to the britans hijacking our ships and making our sailors work on their boats, eventually we got tired of it and declared war, thing is that mainly, neither side won, because we both came to an agreement without many loses on either side, but many Americans to this day still consider it our victory, because we didn't lose. Mainly it was a draw however, just that the fact that it was finally over with, is why most Americans look at it as a victory.
Source please? If it's from an American source, then I don't trust it. A Canadian one wouldn't be much better.
Blaze: Canada was founded by the French originally, not the Britans. -_- And the fact that your whole country can take over our seven northern states isn't really impressive, considering we have 43 others you'd have to fight for. :)
Source please?
And btw, the White House isn't exactly located in a "Northern State". :P
It was until Canada burnt it down. Go read your history books.
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We already know that you are totally ignorant about Canada, so I'm not going to waste my time with a big response.
Actually, and that's pretty weird because we went over our past wars in History class just yesterday, and if I was actually listening correctly, I heard this:
The War of 1812 was started (and it was very humiliating for us in the beginning) due to the britans hijacking our ships and making our sailors work on their boats, eventually we got tired of it and declared war, thing is that mainly, neither side won, because we both came to an agreement without many loses on either side, but many Americans to this day still consider it our victory, because we didn't lose. Mainly it was a draw however, just that the fact that it was finally over with, is why most Americans look at it as a victory.
Source please? If it's from an American source, then I don't trust it. A Canadian one wouldn't be much better.
Blaze: Canada was founded by the French originally, not the Britans. -_- And the fact that your whole country can take over our seven northern states isn't really impressive, considering we have 43 others you'd have to fight for. :)
Source please?
And btw, the White House isn't exactly located in a "Northern State". :P
It was until Canada burnt it down. Go read your history books.
1. Read, my teacher, I said that was the class I had yesterday for fucks sake.
2. The class I had yesterday, you're really bad at reading.
3. So they technically didn't GIVE it back.
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Its funny how easily americans forget about there losses. War of 1812. Us > You.
We had tons of the northern states, including The White House, which we gave back to you to white wash.
I am so sick of every American saying they've won every war, blah blah blah, they're the best, blah blah blah, it was only them fighting in World war two, blah blah blah.
Actually, and that's pretty weird because we went over our past wars in History class just yesterday, and if I was actually listening correctly, I heard this:
The War of 1812 was started (and it was very humiliating for us in the beginning) due to the britans hijacking our ships and making our sailors work on their boats, eventually we got tired of it and declared war, thing is that mainly, neither side won, because we both came to an agreement without many loses on either side, but many Americans to this day still consider it our victory, because we didn't lose. Mainly it was a draw however, just that the fact that it was finally over with, is why most Americans look at it as a victory.
What the hell... and what did I tell you? You must've won every war you've faught in, just because your America.
Blaze: Canada was founded by the French originally, not the Britans.
No it wasn't.... Our country was founded when we asked Britian for independance and them saying yes, rather than just doing it yourself and starting more wars... which seems to be a past time for your current president, but thats another story...
Also, we never said and never will say we were the only ones fighting in WW2, google is your friend. ;)
I never said you did, but whenever I get into the discussions, I seem to find the most patriotic people, ever.
3. So they technically didn't GIVE it back.
Yes they did. We took Washington D.C., your capitol, http://www.multied.com/1812/Washington.html.
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Its funny how easily americans forget about there losses. War of 1812. Us > You.
We had tons of the northern states, including The White House, which we gave back to you to white wash.
I am so sick of every American saying they've won every war, blah blah blah, they're the best, blah blah blah, it was only them fighting in World war two, blah blah blah.
Actually, and that's pretty weird because we went over our past wars in History class just yesterday, and if I was actually listening correctly, I heard this:
The War of 1812 was started (and it was very humiliating for us in the beginning) due to the britans hijacking our ships and making our sailors work on their boats, eventually we got tired of it and declared war, thing is that mainly, neither side won, because we both came to an agreement without many loses on either side, but many Americans to this day still consider it our victory, because we didn't lose. Mainly it was a draw however, just that the fact that it was finally over with, is why most Americans look at it as a victory.
What the hell... and what did I tell you? You must've won every war you've faught in, just because your America.
Blaze: Canada was founded by the French originally, not the Britans.
No it wasn't.... Our country was founded when we asked Britian for independance and them saying yes, rather than just doing it yourself and starting more wars... which seems to be a past time for your current president, but thats another story...
Also, we never said and never will say we were the only ones fighting in WW2, google is your friend. ;)
I never said you did, but whenever I get into the discussions, I seem to find the most patriotic people, ever.
3. So they technically didn't GIVE it back.
Yes they did. We took Washington D.C., your capitol, http://www.multied.com/1812/Washington.html.
1. Rofl, would you read what you said before for fucks sake? I just gave you two people right off the top of my head who don't beleive America actually won the war of 1812, me and my teacher, so saying "every American" is complete bullshit.
2. Canada was originally found by the French, who came over while American colonies were being founded, the French took Canada.
And where the fuck does our president come into leaving Britan? He's barely even 60 years old, he had nothing to do with the 13 colonies. Why in the fuck should we ask another country for land that we found? That's plain stupid, amd Britan started that war with us, not the other way around. We left for RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, which we proudly now have.
3. I am so sick of every American saying they've won every war, blah blah blah, they're the best, blah blah blah, it was only them fighting in World war two, blah blah blah.
Would you fucking read your past posts? Or atleast try and remember what you said in them before arguing?
4. Once again, read iago's post ffs, if they burned it down, they weren't GIVING the White House back, they burned it down, therefore no White House.
You two don't even live here, no right to insult, none at all.
I'm tired of arguing over this stupid topic, with people not even from this country, infact this isn't even on-topic in the first place.
So I'm done, good luck to anyone else who feels like trying to point out to a Canadian that not the whole US is like Miami.
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You two don't even live here, no right to insult, none at all.
Your country sucks.
Love,
An American Citizen
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You two don't even live here, no right to insult, none at all.
Your country sucks.
Love,
An American Citizen
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, due to this being a free country, however, go to Iraq before we liberated them, and try saying that, see if you can even speak when they're done with you.
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1. Read, my teacher, I said that was the class I had yesterday for fucks sake.
2. The class I had yesterday, you're really bad at reading.
3. So they technically didn't GIVE it back.
Great, from an American teacher. Would they really teach their younger generation that they lost a war? Or would they rewrite history?
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1. Rofl, would you read what you said before for fucks sake? I just gave you two people right off the top of my head who don't beleive America actually won the war of 1812, me and my teacher, so saying "every American" is complete bullshit.
It was a generalization of the vast majority you literal bastard.
2. Canada was originally found by the French, who came over while American colonies were being founded, the French took Canada.
And where the fuck does our president come into leaving Britan? He's barely even 60 years old, he had nothing to do with the 13 colonies. Why in the fuck should we ask another country for land that we found? That's plain stupid, amd Britan started that war with us, not the other way around. We left for RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, which we proudly now have.
If the french founded Canada... then why the hell would they make the first primer minister English!? The french didn't like the english back then. Then french founded New France, which by no means is Canada. They started lots of cities that are now part of Canada.
3. I am so sick of every American saying they've won every war, blah blah blah, they're the best, blah blah blah, it was only them fighting in World war two, blah blah blah.
Would you fucking read your past posts? Or atleast try and remember what you said in them before arguing?
Refer to my first answer.
4. Once again, read iago's post ffs, if they burned it down, they weren't GIVING the White House back, they burned it down, therefore no White House.
Hah, Its better coming into an arugment with half an idea of what you are talking about, instead of being unimformed and then saying the argument is stupid..
The White House is on the same location, and wasn't completley destroyed. It wasn't even called the white house. You guys whitewashed it, It was originally some green color.
You two don't even live here, no right to insult, none at all.
I'm tired of arguing over this stupid topic, with people not even from this country, infact this isn't even on-topic in the first place.
So I'm done, good luck to anyone else who feels like trying to point out to a Canadian that not the whole US is like Miami.
Refer to my last answers first paragraph.
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Here are a few fun facts:
1. America sucks
2. "Canada" was not founded by the French. The early provinces (originally colonies) were.
3. America has never lost a war because obviously if America doesn't win it wasn't technically a war in the first place, and there is no such thing as a "tie".
4. America was discovered by east Russians something like 12,000 years ago, and then rediscovered by Norwegian vikings a few thousand years later, then rediscovered again by Columbus (who really found the Bahamas). By no means did x86 forum-goes/members discover America.
5. iago is right.
6. We don't learn about Canada because they are more polite, [edit] and, quite frankly, foreign.
Sorry, forgot a bit.
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5. iago is right.
Well, that's just a universal law. :-P
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Here are a few fun facts:
1. America sucks
2. "Canada" was not founded by the French. The early provinces (originally colonies) were.
3. America has never lost a war because obviously if America doesn't win it wasn't technically a war in the first place, and there is no such thing as a "tie".
4. America was discovered by east Russians something like 12,000 years ago, and then rediscovered by Norwegian vikings a few thousand years later, then rediscovered again by Columbus (who really found the Bahamas). By no means did x86 forum-goes/members discover America.
5. iago is right.
6. We don't learn about Canada because they are more polite.
So much truth coming from one person, rabbit, you [size=0pt]don't[/size]rock!
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So much truth coming from one person, rabbit, you [size=0pt]don't[/size]rock!
Blaze, you're not sneaky! :D