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General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: CrAz3D on August 15, 2008, 02:15:48 pm
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Fuking pieces of chit homeless losers! I'm fuking pissed off at these scum bags. Worthless alcoholics always wondering around the office.
One time some mother fuker stabbed the other assistant's fuking God damned tire.
Stupid pieces of dirty chit.
We'll see if I ever (A) give money to some low life douche again; (B) ever even THINK about trusting some dirty looking bastard, they're all gettin' the shifty eye now; (C) ever leave my truck so vulnerable again; and (D) walk around without a gun.
I swear, I would've shot the transient bastard and buried his worthless body in the ground. Screw the cops, they can't do chit.
</really angry rant>
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your trolls are boring
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your trolls are boring
Signed. CrAz3D, make some sense. Aside from the title, you're just ranting. And you never spell 'fuck' as 'fuk' so I get the feeling you copy/pasted something from MySpace or something...
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I posted the rant at another site that has word filters. Once I get the police report I'll take a picture. It happened. I am 100% genuine pissed off.
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Did you leave your truck unlocked?
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No.
Passenger side window was cracked open. Stupid me for actually trusting people :(.
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Why would you leave your iPod in your truck? I've never left my iPod or laptop in a vehicle, no matter how long/short I was going leaving it, and no matter where I was. It's just a dumb thing to do.
So face it -- you took a risk, and you lost. Life goes on.
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Worthless alcoholics
LOL @ that coming from CrAz3D.
chit.
What are you, trying to be Mexican, mang?
Someone took [my] iPod [from my truck]
That's what you get for being a dumbass and leaving your iPod in your truck.
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Why would you leave your iPod in your truck? I've never left my iPod or laptop in a vehicle, no matter how long/short I was going leaving it, and no matter where I was. It's just a dumb thing to do.
So face it -- you took a risk, and you lost. Life goes on.
Yup. Next time windows are gonna be barely cracked and I'm packin' heat.
Worthless alcoholics
LOL @ that coming from CrAz3D.
chit.
What are you, trying to be Mexican, mang?
Someone took [my] iPod [from my truck]
That's what you get for being a dumbass and leaving your iPod in your truck.
1) Right?
2) Pass word filters at another site
3) Learned the hardway that homeless people = fail
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Why would you leave your iPod in your truck? I've never left my iPod or laptop in a vehicle, no matter how long/short I was going leaving it, and no matter where I was. It's just a dumb thing to do.
So face it -- you took a risk, and you lost. Life goes on.
Yup. Next time windows are gonna be barely cracked and I'm packin' heat.
I don't think you even read what I said..
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3) Learned the hardway that homeless people = fail
It's just you that fails, and justice is served. I mean really... blaming others for your mistake. For shame...
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Why do you think it was a homeless person that stole your iPod?
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Why do you think it was a homeless person that stole your iPod?
Because in New Mexico, there are two kinds of people--honest, hardwork, Republicans, and those dirty, illegal, scumbag, homeless Mexicans.
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Why do you think it was a homeless person that stole your iPod?
Because in New Mexico, there are two kinds of people--honest, hardwork, Republicans, and those dirty, illegal, scumbag, homeless Mexicans.
Quoted for truth.
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Why would you leave your iPod in your truck? I've never left my iPod or laptop in a vehicle, no matter how long/short I was going leaving it, and no matter where I was. It's just a dumb thing to do.
So face it -- you took a risk, and you lost. Life goes on.
Yup. Next time windows are gonna be barely cracked and I'm packin' heat.
I don't think you even read what I said..
Dont leave electronics in vehicle. There is no point in me carrying it anywhere, that's stupid. I have A LOT of crap in my truck and I cant pack it up everytime I leave my truck.
3) Learned the hardway that homeless people = fail
It's just you that fails, and justice is served. I mean really... blaming others for your mistake. For shame...
So its my fault some fucking transient stole shit? Yeah, cuz that makes sense
Why do you think it was a homeless person that stole your iPod?
We have a lot of 'em that stroll around back there. They're usually nice, but sometimes you get the fucking crazy ones, like the one I mentioned stabbing a tire.
Why do you think it was a homeless person that stole your iPod?
Because in New Mexico, there are two kinds of people--honest, hardwork, Republicans, and those dirty, illegal, scumbag, homeless Mexicans.
Quoted for truth.
Pretty much
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3) Learned the hardway that homeless people = fail
It's just you that fails, and justice is served. I mean really... blaming others for your mistake. For shame...
So its my fault some fucking transient stole shit? Yeah, cuz that makes sense
You laugh at everyone else's misfortunes without caring just because it doesn't directly affect you, and then when something unfortunate happens to you, you automatically pull out the "I'm a victim" card and expect sympathy?
I've got to ask: do you taste your own medicine much? No? I'll give you a dose:
hahaha, silly redneck. ::)
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No, I just want you to hate dirty hippies since they're the bane of society
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Dont leave electronics in vehicle. There is no point in me carrying it anywhere, that's stupid. I have A LOT of crap in my truck and I cant pack it up everytime I leave my truck.
iPods and laptops are easily transportable, and easily stealable, and also extremely valuable (for their weight). So yes, they should be taken with you. I don't expect you to take your spare tire and kitchen sink everywhere you go, but I do think that leaving iPods/laptops in a vehicle, especially if it's for more than 5 or 10 minutes, is a dumb thing to do.
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Alright, I can empathize with CrAzEd being angry and upset, however despite this, it really is your own fault for getting it stolen. You shouldn't have left your window open and/or left the ipod in your vehicle. At least in plain sight. I know some of my friends will put it/lock it in their side compartment/dashboard.
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Alright, I can empathize with CrAzEd being angry and upset, however despite this, it really is your own fault for getting it stolen. You shouldn't have left your window open and/or left the ipod in your vehicle. At least in plain sight. I know some of my friends will put it/lock it in their side compartment/dashboard.
It's not my fault some cunt stole it.
I just made it easier by trusting douche-fuckers
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Alright, I can empathize with CrAzEd being angry and upset, however despite this, it really is your own fault for getting it stolen. You shouldn't have left your window open and/or left the ipod in your vehicle. At least in plain sight. I know some of my friends will put it/lock it in their side compartment/dashboard.
It's not my fault some cunt stole it.
I just made it easier by trusting douche-fuckers
You left it somewhere stupid, so yes, it IS your fault that somebody stole it.
(It's like the time I forgot my iPod in a washroom stall when I was changing. Naturally, when I returned to look for it, it was gone. I left it somewhere stupid, somebody stole it. I blamed myself.)
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Alright, I can empathize with CrAzEd being angry and upset, however despite this, it really is your own fault for getting it stolen. You shouldn't have left your window open and/or left the ipod in your vehicle. At least in plain sight. I know some of my friends will put it/lock it in their side compartment/dashboard.
It's not my fault some cunt stole it.
I just made it easier by trusting douche-fuckers
You left it somewhere stupid, so yes, it IS your fault that somebody stole it.
(It's like the time I forgot my iPod in a washroom stall when I was changing. Naturally, when I returned to look for it, it was gone. I left it somewhere stupid, somebody stole it. I blamed myself.)
That's like saying it's a woman's fault for being raped. She was cute and got raped, her fault
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Alright, I can empathize with CrAzEd being angry and upset, however despite this, it really is your own fault for getting it stolen. You shouldn't have left your window open and/or left the ipod in your vehicle. At least in plain sight. I know some of my friends will put it/lock it in their side compartment/dashboard.
It's not my fault some cunt stole it.
I just made it easier by trusting douche-fuckers
You left it somewhere stupid, so yes, it IS your fault that somebody stole it.
(It's like the time I forgot my iPod in a washroom stall when I was changing. Naturally, when I returned to look for it, it was gone. I left it somewhere stupid, somebody stole it. I blamed myself.)
That's like saying it's a woman's fault for being raped. She was cute and got raped, her fault
That analogy actually makes sense, lol
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That's like saying it's a woman's fault for being raped. She was cute and got raped, her fault
That's a whole different situation. A women can't just make herself uncute when she leaves her vehicle to ensure her own safety, whereas you could very easily (with ~2 seconds of work) bring your iPod with you.
I think it's more comparable to a person walking around a rough neighbourhood visibly holding a wad of cash. All he has to do is put the cash in his pocket, but he doesn't and he gets robbed.
You're just trying to defend yourself for making a stupid mistake. Get over it.
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Guess your guns didnt come in so useful this time. If only cars were gun toting sentient beings..
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That's like saying it's a woman's fault for being raped. She was cute and got raped, her fault
That's a whole different situation. A women can't just make herself uncute when she leaves her vehicle to ensure her own safety, whereas you could very easily (with ~2 seconds of work) bring your iPod with you.
I think it's more comparable to a person walking around a rough neighbourhood visibly holding a wad of cash. All he has to do is put the cash in his pocket, but he doesn't and he gets robbed.
You're just trying to defend yourself for making a stupid mistake. Get over it.
She sure can try to make herself look ugly tho. Blaming the victim doesnt make sense. I hope you get raped, then we'll all laugh and say it was your fault. Hell, you probably were raped ... that's why you're social inept.
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She sure can try to make herself look ugly tho. Blaming the victim doesnt make sense. I hope you get raped, then we'll all laugh and say it was your fault. Hell, you probably were raped ... that's why you're social inept.
Haha, you're so deep in denial it's not even funny. :)
If you walk across the street with your eyes closed and get hit by a car, do you really blame the driver? If somebody drinks 12 beers, runs into a lightpole, and kills himself, is it his own fault? If somebody tries to jump a 10m gorge and falls to his death, is it his own fault?
If somebody does something stupid and harmed/injured/whatever, then blaming them is perfectly acceptable.
You did something stupid. Get over it.
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If someone fucking walks into oncoming traffic THEY are in the wrong. There is nothing the driver can do. You = FAIL.
Go fucking ride your short bus to the D&D games.
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If someone fucking walks into oncoming traffic THEY are in the wrong. There is nothing the driver can do. You = FAIL.
Go fucking ride your short bus to the D&D games.
That's what I was saying. The guy walking did something stupid, and it's his fault.
You left your iPod in a truck. That's stupid.
Are you following?
<edit> also, keep up the good with with your personal attacks! You're about to be on the chopping block, and this is only going to make it easier. :D
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Following huh? Lik,e you follow 40 year old virgins around? Sounds like you have TONS of fun. (get it, TONS?!)
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Following huh? Lik,e you follow 40 year old virgins around? Sounds like you have TONS of fun. (get it, TONS?!)
Too late to pretend you were just joking around to save yourself.
Nice try, though!
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Really? Joking? You thought I was joking? That's funny.
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Either you're joking, or you have serious mental problems (as in, you can't understand the word "following").
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Alright, I can empathize with CrAzEd being angry and upset, however despite this, it really is your own fault for getting it stolen. You shouldn't have left your window open and/or left the ipod in your vehicle. At least in plain sight. I know some of my friends will put it/lock it in their side compartment/dashboard.
It's not my fault some cunt stole it.
I just made it easier by trusting douche-fuckers
You left it somewhere stupid, so yes, it IS your fault that somebody stole it.
(It's like the time I forgot my iPod in a washroom stall when I was changing. Naturally, when I returned to look for it, it was gone. I left it somewhere stupid, somebody stole it. I blamed myself.)
That's like saying it's a woman's fault for being raped. She was cute and got raped, her fault
That analogy actually makes sense, lol
Not at all really.
CrAz3D, get over yourself. Like I said, you're playing the victim and just refuse to own up to your own mistake.
'Nuff said.
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CrAz3D is being a jerk in this thread, and I don't think he is a very thoughtful person, but he is somewhat right in the sense that this is not completely his fault. If you were to leave your car doors unlocked, with the key in the ignition, and someone stole your car, and was caught, he would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law. These measures we take to protect ourselves would be mostly useless if no-one were.out there consciously doing the wrong thing.
On the other hand, you could say "if I hadn't made it so easy for my car to be stolen, it likely wouldn't have been". So in that sense, you are partly responsible. But should you still lock the car? CrAz3Ds analogy about getting raped applies in this situation. Should a pretty girl really make herself ugly in order to avoid being raped? Of course everyone instinctively wants to say "no", but following the same line of reasoning we applied to the car situation, the answer could well be "yes". Like most choices, this is another optimization problem. Is the decreased chance of being raped worth sacrificing your appearance? Probably not. Is the decreased chance of having your car stolen worth the extra effort of making sure it is locked? Most likely.
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If you were to leave your car doors unlocked, with the key in the ignition, and someone stole your car, and was caught, he would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law. These measures we take to protect ourselves would be mostly useless if no-one were.out there consciously doing the wrong thing.
I agree that somebody still did something wrong and they should be held accountable for it, if they're caught. But making it easy (or possible) for somebody to do that wrong thing isn't a good choice to make.
On the other hand, you could say "if I hadn't made it so easy for my car to be stolen, it likely wouldn't have been". So in that sense, you are partly responsible. But should you still lock the car? CrAz3Ds analogy about getting raped applies in this situation. Should a pretty girl really make herself ugly in order to avoid being raped? Of course everyone instinctively wants to say "no", but following the same line of reasoning we applied to the car situation, the answer could well be "yes". Like most choices, this is another optimization problem. Is the decreased chance of being raped worth sacrificing your appearance? Probably not. Is the decreased chance of having your car stolen worth the extra effort of making sure it is locked? Most likely.
I think it's most definitely an optimization problem, and I was working towards that argument by presenting situations where it's obviously a person's fault (like closing their eyes and crossing the road). I asked if CrAz3d was following my line of reasoning, but that didn't go well...
I think in some situations, it's an easy optimization. Look both ways before you cross the street, don't leave your vehicle running when you're away from it for a long time, etc. But there's more middle ground, like locking up your bike when running into a store, even quickly, taking your laptop with you when leaving a car, things like that. I personally do all those because I'm paranoid and don't want to feel like a tool afterwards. And I think at the other end of the spectrum, is dressing differently so you don't get raped, not taking the bus, stuff like that.
It's sort of an interesting problem, and one I'm faced with pretty much every day in my job -- where do you draw the line between convenience and security?
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Let's break down your "person in the street" scenario and compare it to a theft (of any sort).
Theft:
Person A steals from Person B when B was away, thus creating a convenient scenario for A. Obviously, B is wronged and A is the wrong-doer. B had no intention of the theft and did not predict its occurrence.
Car:
Person A steps in the direct and immediate path of Person B's car. For the sake of the argument, B had NO chance to react. A had EVERY intention of the damage and could foresee its occurrence.
Rape:
Person A looks really attractive. Person B takes advantage of Person A because the opportunity presented itself. Obviously, B is wrong and A is the wrong-doer. B had no intention of the rape and did not predict the occurrence.
Can you follow that? In the car scenario the victim is Person B, the one driving the car. A is the de facto the wrong-doer.
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CrAz3D, your logic is horrible.
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First of all, not necessarily a homeless person.
Secondly, it's just smart not to let the opportunity present itself. Alot of times, stereo equipment can't be removed every time the car is parked. I know for damn sure I don't want to carry and amp and sub around the mall with me just so I don't leave it in the parking lot.
Get an alarm. Lock your doors. Be careful where you park. Be careful where you blast your music. Turn down your music/hide your ipod a block or two or 12 before you reach your destination. Don't get followed around.
You can complete college as a raging alcoholic and use connections to get you great places in life.. but you need to fuck around on the streets before you gain some useful street knowledge that'll keep you safe.
Not meant to be a personal attack, just helpful insight. Think about it.
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CrAz3D, your logic is horrible.
Splain yourself lucy.
First of all, not necessarily a homeless person.
Secondly, it's just smart not to let the opportunity present itself. Alot of times, stereo equipment can't be removed every time the car is parked. I know for damn sure I don't want to carry and amp and sub around the mall with me just so I don't leave it in the parking lot.
Get an alarm. Lock your doors. Be careful where you park. Be careful where you blast your music. Turn down your music/hide your ipod a block or two or 12 before you reach your destination. Don't get followed around.
You can complete college as a raging alcoholic and use connections to get you great places in life.. but you need to fuck around on the streets before you gain some useful street knowledge that'll keep you safe.
Not meant to be a personal attack, just helpful insight. Think about it.
I grew up small-town, things are changing here ... I gotta get used to it.
Also, 99% sure it's a homeless dude. When I got to the office this mornin' some fucker had torn down the for rent sign on the side of the buildin. (huge sign, 12'x8').
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CrAz3D is being a jerk in this thread, and I don't think he is a very thoughtful person, but he is somewhat right in the sense that this is not completely his fault. If you were to leave your car doors unlocked, with the key in the ignition, and someone stole your car, and was caught, he would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law. These measures we take to protect ourselves would be mostly useless if no-one were.out there consciously doing the wrong thing.
On the other hand, you could say "if I hadn't made it so easy for my car to be stolen, it likely wouldn't have been". So in that sense, you are partly responsible. But should you still lock the car? CrAz3Ds analogy about getting raped applies in this situation. Should a pretty girl really make herself ugly in order to avoid being raped? Of course everyone instinctively wants to say "no", but following the same line of reasoning we applied to the car situation, the answer could well be "yes". Like most choices, this is another optimization problem. Is the decreased chance of being raped worth sacrificing your appearance? Probably not. Is the decreased chance of having your car stolen worth the extra effort of making sure it is locked? Most likely.
Breaking and entering and theft are independent crimes. If you leave your keys in an unlocked car and it's stolen, your insurance company won't cover it. It's your responsibility to secure your belongings.
It sucks that the iPod was stolen, but that doesn't make it any less CrAz3D's fault.
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CrAz3D is being a jerk in this thread, and I don't think he is a very thoughtful person, but he is somewhat right in the sense that this is not completely his fault. If you were to leave your car doors unlocked, with the key in the ignition, and someone stole your car, and was caught, he would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law. These measures we take to protect ourselves would be mostly useless if no-one were.out there consciously doing the wrong thing.
On the other hand, you could say "if I hadn't made it so easy for my car to be stolen, it likely wouldn't have been". So in that sense, you are partly responsible. But should you still lock the car? CrAz3Ds analogy about getting raped applies in this situation. Should a pretty girl really make herself ugly in order to avoid being raped? Of course everyone instinctively wants to say "no", but following the same line of reasoning we applied to the car situation, the answer could well be "yes". Like most choices, this is another optimization problem. Is the decreased chance of being raped worth sacrificing your appearance? Probably not. Is the decreased chance of having your car stolen worth the extra effort of making sure it is locked? Most likely.
Breaking and entering and theft are independent crimes. If you leave your keys in an unlocked car and it's stolen, your insurance company won't cover it. It's your responsibility to secure your belongings.
It sucks that the iPod was stolen, but that doesn't make it any less CrAz3D's fault.
he[the robber] would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law.
Also, there is nuance in my post you obviously didn't understand.
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CrAz3D is being a jerk in this thread, and I don't think he is a very thoughtful person, but he is somewhat right in the sense that this is not completely his fault. If you were to leave your car doors unlocked, with the key in the ignition, and someone stole your car, and was caught, he would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law. These measures we take to protect ourselves would be mostly useless if no-one were.out there consciously doing the wrong thing.
On the other hand, you could say "if I hadn't made it so easy for my car to be stolen, it likely wouldn't have been". So in that sense, you are partly responsible. But should you still lock the car? CrAz3Ds analogy about getting raped applies in this situation. Should a pretty girl really make herself ugly in order to avoid being raped? Of course everyone instinctively wants to say "no", but following the same line of reasoning we applied to the car situation, the answer could well be "yes". Like most choices, this is another optimization problem. Is the decreased chance of being raped worth sacrificing your appearance? Probably not. Is the decreased chance of having your car stolen worth the extra effort of making sure it is locked? Most likely.
Breaking and entering and theft are independent crimes. If you leave your keys in an unlocked car and it's stolen, your insurance company won't cover it. It's your responsibility to secure your belongings.
It sucks that the iPod was stolen, but that doesn't make it any less CrAz3D's fault.
See the rape comparison. Crime of convenience/the woman's fault.
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CrAz3D is being a jerk in this thread, and I don't think he is a very thoughtful person, but he is somewhat right in the sense that this is not completely his fault. If you were to leave your car doors unlocked, with the key in the ignition, and someone stole your car, and was caught, he would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law. These measures we take to protect ourselves would be mostly useless if no-one were.out there consciously doing the wrong thing.
On the other hand, you could say "if I hadn't made it so easy for my car to be stolen, it likely wouldn't have been". So in that sense, you are partly responsible. But should you still lock the car? CrAz3Ds analogy about getting raped applies in this situation. Should a pretty girl really make herself ugly in order to avoid being raped? Of course everyone instinctively wants to say "no", but following the same line of reasoning we applied to the car situation, the answer could well be "yes". Like most choices, this is another optimization problem. Is the decreased chance of being raped worth sacrificing your appearance? Probably not. Is the decreased chance of having your car stolen worth the extra effort of making sure it is locked? Most likely.
Breaking and entering and theft are independent crimes. If you leave your keys in an unlocked car and it's stolen, your insurance company won't cover it. It's your responsibility to secure your belongings.
It sucks that the iPod was stolen, but that doesn't make it any less CrAz3D's fault.
See the rape comparison. Crime of convenience/the woman's fault.
I still don't see how rape is relevant at all. If a woman were to dress provocatively and put her goodies on display, and then gets raped, then you could use that as your arguing point since she's practically asking for it. A woman dresses conservatively and gets raped? Not her fault.
Your truck got broken into because you left your goodies (iPod) in plain sight. It's your fault. Had you concealed your goodies, your truck probably wouldn't have been broken into.
Quit trying to justify yourself with irrelevant points.
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I still don't see how rape is relevant at all. If a woman were to dress provocatively and put her goodies on display, and then gets raped, then you could use that as your arguing point since she's practically asking for it.
Right, because going "Hey look, i have a nice body and i don't care about keeping it conservative!" totally translates to "OMG LOOK AT MY BOOBIES, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, PLEASE GET ME NAKED AND TAKE ME HARD."
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I still don't see how rape is relevant at all. If a woman were to dress provocatively and put her goodies on display, and then gets raped, then you could use that as your arguing point since she's practically asking for it.
Right, because going "Hey look, i have a nice body and i don't care about keeping it conservative!" totally translates to "OMG LOOK AT MY BOOBIES, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, PLEASE GET ME NAKED AND TAKE ME HARD."
I should probably clarify since you're nitpicking without regard to the point I was trying to get across. A woman dressing provocatively is more prone to harrassment than a woman who's dressing conservatively.
Since CrAz3D's iPod was left visible in his truck, it was more prone to being broken into as opposed to if he had concealed it.
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CrAz3D is being a jerk in this thread, and I don't think he is a very thoughtful person, but he is somewhat right in the sense that this is not completely his fault. If you were to leave your car doors unlocked, with the key in the ignition, and someone stole your car, and was caught, he would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law. These measures we take to protect ourselves would be mostly useless if no-one were.out there consciously doing the wrong thing.
On the other hand, you could say "if I hadn't made it so easy for my car to be stolen, it likely wouldn't have been". So in that sense, you are partly responsible. But should you still lock the car? CrAz3Ds analogy about getting raped applies in this situation. Should a pretty girl really make herself ugly in order to avoid being raped? Of course everyone instinctively wants to say "no", but following the same line of reasoning we applied to the car situation, the answer could well be "yes". Like most choices, this is another optimization problem. Is the decreased chance of being raped worth sacrificing your appearance? Probably not. Is the decreased chance of having your car stolen worth the extra effort of making sure it is locked? Most likely.
Breaking and entering and theft are independent crimes. If you leave your keys in an unlocked car and it's stolen, your insurance company won't cover it. It's your responsibility to secure your belongings.
It sucks that the iPod was stolen, but that doesn't make it any less CrAz3D's fault.
See the rape comparison. Crime of convenience/the woman's fault.
I still don't see how rape is relevant at all. If a woman were to dress provocatively and put her goodies on display, and then gets raped, then you could use that as your arguing point since she's practically asking for it. A woman dresses conservatively and gets raped? Not her fault.
Your truck got broken into because you left your goodies (iPod) in plain sight. It's your fault. Had you concealed your goodies, your truck probably wouldn't have been broken into.
Quit trying to justify yourself with irrelevant points.
You're saying that its OK to rape a pretty woman?!
Wow. Holy fucking shit.
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I still don't see how rape is relevant at all. If a woman were to dress provocatively and put her goodies on display, and then gets raped, then you could use that as your arguing point since she's practically asking for it.
Right, because going "Hey look, i have a nice body and i don't care about keeping it conservative!" totally translates to "OMG LOOK AT MY BOOBIES, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, PLEASE GET ME NAKED AND TAKE ME HARD."
Pretty much. Let's use this example: Homeowners put a "For Sale" sign at their house when they wish to sell. Women put on sexy clothes when they want to be rammed by Warrior.
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CrAz3D is being a jerk in this thread, and I don't think he is a very thoughtful person, but he is somewhat right in the sense that this is not completely his fault. If you were to leave your car doors unlocked, with the key in the ignition, and someone stole your car, and was caught, he would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law. These measures we take to protect ourselves would be mostly useless if no-one were.out there consciously doing the wrong thing.
On the other hand, you could say "if I hadn't made it so easy for my car to be stolen, it likely wouldn't have been". So in that sense, you are partly responsible. But should you still lock the car? CrAz3Ds analogy about getting raped applies in this situation. Should a pretty girl really make herself ugly in order to avoid being raped? Of course everyone instinctively wants to say "no", but following the same line of reasoning we applied to the car situation, the answer could well be "yes". Like most choices, this is another optimization problem. Is the decreased chance of being raped worth sacrificing your appearance? Probably not. Is the decreased chance of having your car stolen worth the extra effort of making sure it is locked? Most likely.
Breaking and entering and theft are independent crimes. If you leave your keys in an unlocked car and it's stolen, your insurance company won't cover it. It's your responsibility to secure your belongings.
It sucks that the iPod was stolen, but that doesn't make it any less CrAz3D's fault.
See the rape comparison. Crime of convenience/the woman's fault.
I still don't see how rape is relevant at all. If a woman were to dress provocatively and put her goodies on display, and then gets raped, then you could use that as your arguing point since she's practically asking for it. A woman dresses conservatively and gets raped? Not her fault.
Your truck got broken into because you left your goodies (iPod) in plain sight. It's your fault. Had you concealed your goodies, your truck probably wouldn't have been broken into.
Quit trying to justify yourself with irrelevant points.
You're saying that its OK to rape a pretty woman?!
Wow. Holy fucking shit.
By the way, not all women that dress slutty are "pretty". Hell, a transvestite can wear a miniskirt... doesn't hide the adam's apple at all.
You homo.
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By the way, not all women that dress slutty are "pretty". Hell, a transvestite can wear a miniskirt... doesn't hide the adam's apple at all.
You homo.
Oh, you. ;)
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CrAz3D is being a jerk in this thread, and I don't think he is a very thoughtful person, but he is somewhat right in the sense that this is not completely his fault. If you were to leave your car doors unlocked, with the key in the ignition, and someone stole your car, and was caught, he would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law. These measures we take to protect ourselves would be mostly useless if no-one were.out there consciously doing the wrong thing.
On the other hand, you could say "if I hadn't made it so easy for my car to be stolen, it likely wouldn't have been". So in that sense, you are partly responsible. But should you still lock the car? CrAz3Ds analogy about getting raped applies in this situation. Should a pretty girl really make herself ugly in order to avoid being raped? Of course everyone instinctively wants to say "no", but following the same line of reasoning we applied to the car situation, the answer could well be "yes". Like most choices, this is another optimization problem. Is the decreased chance of being raped worth sacrificing your appearance? Probably not. Is the decreased chance of having your car stolen worth the extra effort of making sure it is locked? Most likely.
Breaking and entering and theft are independent crimes. If you leave your keys in an unlocked car and it's stolen, your insurance company won't cover it. It's your responsibility to secure your belongings.
It sucks that the iPod was stolen, but that doesn't make it any less CrAz3D's fault.
See the rape comparison. Crime of convenience/the woman's fault.
I still don't see how rape is relevant at all. If a woman were to dress provocatively and put her goodies on display, and then gets raped, then you could use that as your arguing point since she's practically asking for it. A woman dresses conservatively and gets raped? Not her fault.
Your truck got broken into because you left your goodies (iPod) in plain sight. It's your fault. Had you concealed your goodies, your truck probably wouldn't have been broken into.
Quit trying to justify yourself with irrelevant points.
You're saying that its OK to rape a pretty woman?!
Wow. Holy fucking shit.
Way to be a troll. I look forward to your getting kicked out of x86.
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Haha. He's not very good at it, either.
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A woman, no matter how provocatively dressed, will most likely only get kidnapped and raped if the only person around is the raper. A woman usually dresses provocatively in order to attract attention
Woman A dresses provocatively and walks into a bad neighborhood alone in the middle of the night, and thus possibly gains attention from a walker-by at a very high risk of getting raped.
CrAz3D left his window cracked and his iPod in plain-sight in his car in a parking lot he claims to have known is home to homeless people that like to slash tires, and thus gained 2-5 seconds at a very high risk of getting his iPod stolen..
Woman B dresses provocatively and goes to the mall mid-day, and thus usually gains attention at a very low risk.
CrAz3D and Woman A took very high risks for very little gain. Own up to your mistake.
EDIT: According to iago's "Slut-o-Meter" (http://slut-o-meter.com/), Woman A (http://slut-o-meter.com/index.php?name=Woman+A) is 60.84% promiscuous, and Woman B (http://slut-o-meter.com/index.php?name=Woman+B) is 2.4336 times less promiscuous at only 25%. This proves that CrAz3D is an asshole. Case closed.
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CrAz3D is being a jerk in this thread, and I don't think he is a very thoughtful person, but he is somewhat right in the sense that this is not completely his fault. If you were to leave your car doors unlocked, with the key in the ignition, and someone stole your car, and was caught, he would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law. These measures we take to protect ourselves would be mostly useless if no-one were.out there consciously doing the wrong thing.
On the other hand, you could say "if I hadn't made it so easy for my car to be stolen, it likely wouldn't have been". So in that sense, you are partly responsible. But should you still lock the car? CrAz3Ds analogy about getting raped applies in this situation. Should a pretty girl really make herself ugly in order to avoid being raped? Of course everyone instinctively wants to say "no", but following the same line of reasoning we applied to the car situation, the answer could well be "yes". Like most choices, this is another optimization problem. Is the decreased chance of being raped worth sacrificing your appearance? Probably not. Is the decreased chance of having your car stolen worth the extra effort of making sure it is locked? Most likely.
Breaking and entering and theft are independent crimes. If you leave your keys in an unlocked car and it's stolen, your insurance company won't cover it. It's your responsibility to secure your belongings.
It sucks that the iPod was stolen, but that doesn't make it any less CrAz3D's fault.
See the rape comparison. Crime of convenience/the woman's fault.
I still don't see how rape is relevant at all. If a woman were to dress provocatively and put her goodies on display, and then gets raped, then you could use that as your arguing point since she's practically asking for it. A woman dresses conservatively and gets raped? Not her fault.
Your truck got broken into because you left your goodies (iPod) in plain sight. It's your fault. Had you concealed your goodies, your truck probably wouldn't have been broken into.
Quit trying to justify yourself with irrelevant points.
You're saying that its OK to rape a pretty woman?!
Wow. Holy fucking shit.
Way to be a troll. I look forward to your getting kicked out of x86.
I propose a day of mourning for the loss of such a respected figure.
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I propose a day of mourning for the loss of such a respected figure.
Aren't you and the family of trolls the reason why he didn't get kicked out the first time? lol
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CrAz3D is being a jerk in this thread, and I don't think he is a very thoughtful person, but he is somewhat right in the sense that this is not completely his fault. If you were to leave your car doors unlocked, with the key in the ignition, and someone stole your car, and was caught, he would held totally responsible in the eyes of the law. These measures we take to protect ourselves would be mostly useless if no-one were.out there consciously doing the wrong thing.
On the other hand, you could say "if I hadn't made it so easy for my car to be stolen, it likely wouldn't have been". So in that sense, you are partly responsible. But should you still lock the car? CrAz3Ds analogy about getting raped applies in this situation. Should a pretty girl really make herself ugly in order to avoid being raped? Of course everyone instinctively wants to say "no", but following the same line of reasoning we applied to the car situation, the answer could well be "yes". Like most choices, this is another optimization problem. Is the decreased chance of being raped worth sacrificing your appearance? Probably not. Is the decreased chance of having your car stolen worth the extra effort of making sure it is locked? Most likely.
Breaking and entering and theft are independent crimes. If you leave your keys in an unlocked car and it's stolen, your insurance company won't cover it. It's your responsibility to secure your belongings.
It sucks that the iPod was stolen, but that doesn't make it any less CrAz3D's fault.
See the rape comparison. Crime of convenience/the woman's fault.
I still don't see how rape is relevant at all. If a woman were to dress provocatively and put her goodies on display, and then gets raped, then you could use that as your arguing point since she's practically asking for it. A woman dresses conservatively and gets raped? Not her fault.
Your truck got broken into because you left your goodies (iPod) in plain sight. It's your fault. Had you concealed your goodies, your truck probably wouldn't have been broken into.
Quit trying to justify yourself with irrelevant points.
You're saying that its OK to rape a pretty woman?!
Wow. Holy fucking shit.
Way to be a troll. I look forward to your getting kicked out of x86.
...I dont want to be in with people that like to rape women.
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Ugh, trolling shouldn't be obvious if you want it to be effective. If you're going to do something, you might as well do it right.
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Ugh, trolling shouldn't be obvious if you want it to be effective. If you're going to do something, you might as well do it right.
There's a reason I stopped responding. Look at his first bunch of replies -- he's obviously in it for a reaction. :)
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I should probably clarify since you're nitpicking without regard to the point I was trying to get across. A woman dressing provocatively is more prone to harrassment than a woman who's dressing conservatively.
Since CrAz3D's iPod was left visible in his truck, it was more prone to being broken into as opposed to if he had concealed it.
The nitpicking makes a world of difference in the meaning of your statement.
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Ugh, trolling shouldn't be obvious if you want it to be effective. If you're going to do something, you might as well do it right.
Yeah, what kind of idiot does something as juvenile as forum trolling?
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Ugh, trolling shouldn't be obvious if you want it to be effective. If you're going to do something, you might as well do it right.
Yeah, what kind of idiot does something as juvenile as forum trolling?
lol
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I should probably clarify since you're nitpicking without regard to the point I was trying to get across. A woman dressing provocatively is more prone to harrassment than a woman who's dressing conservatively.
Since CrAz3D's iPod was left visible in his truck, it was more prone to being broken into as opposed to if he had concealed it.
The nitpicking makes a world of difference in the meaning of your statement.
I know it makes a difference, hence the clarification.
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I should probably clarify since you're nitpicking without regard to the point I was trying to get across. A woman dressing provocatively is more prone to harrassment than a woman who's dressing conservatively.
Since CrAz3D's iPod was left visible in his truck, it was more prone to being broken into as opposed to if he had concealed it.
The nitpicking makes a world of difference in the meaning of your statement.
I know it makes a difference, hence the clarification.
Hence you being tagged as a rapist, you rapist, you
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My boss and the next door attorney (they both own this building) are writing a letter to the city manager complaining about the temporary bus stop that has been located just down from us. I guess female employees of other offices have experienced harassment from bus riders. Looks like poor people suck.
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We should have let the south break away.
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My boss and the next door attorney (they both own this building) are writing a letter to the city manager complaining about the temporary bus stop that has been located just down from us. I guess female employees of other offices have experienced harassment from bus riders. Looks like poor people suck.
Isn't your family really poor?
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No. I have no idea where you got that impression. We've gone without things, but never things like a house.
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No. I have no idea where you got that impression. We've gone without things, but never things like a house.
You... you said your dad or someone was a special ed teacher and you guys barely had any money.
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My dad is now. I didn't say we were "really poor," we've above poverty line and all (that aint saying much) which is a lot better than much of our down town area residents (where my work is located).
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Isn't your family really poor?
Probably wouldn't have an iPod to begin with...
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Isn't your family really poor?
Probably wouldn't have an iPod to begin with...
I bought that myself, but yeah. The last large thing my folks bought me was my rifle for christmas.
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I should probably clarify since you're nitpicking without regard to the point I was trying to get across. A woman dressing provocatively is more prone to harrassment than a woman who's dressing conservatively.
Since CrAz3D's iPod was left visible in his truck, it was more prone to being broken into as opposed to if he had concealed it.
The nitpicking makes a world of difference in the meaning of your statement.
I know it makes a difference, hence the clarification.
Hence you being tagged as a rapist, you rapist, you
Keep trying, you still fail at trolling. Besides, I'm not the one who proposes murder as the solution to every problem.
I'm done replying to your stupidity. I can't wait until your privileges on this forum are revoked, because then I will be able to take advantage of the ignore members feature and won't have to read any of your stupid insensitive and racist posts.
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Crazed, on the off chance that you find out who stole it, you wanna' give me their number or something? I'll pay like... 50$ for it (assuming it's >60gb), my 60gb ipod just died, and I'm off warranty.
Thanks a lot.
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craz3d u're gonna need some materials
1. cardboard box
2. cardboard sign
3. sharpie
4. piggy bank
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I should probably clarify since you're nitpicking without regard to the point I was trying to get across. A woman dressing provocatively is more prone to harrassment than a woman who's dressing conservatively.
Since CrAz3D's iPod was left visible in his truck, it was more prone to being broken into as opposed to if he had concealed it.
The nitpicking makes a world of difference in the meaning of your statement.
I know it makes a difference, hence the clarification.
Hence you being tagged as a rapist, you rapist, you
Keep trying, you still fail at trolling. Besides, I'm not the one who proposes murder as the solution to every problem.
No, you just promote raping women!
Leet, its gone, long gone. It was a 30gb photo anyway with a battery that lasted 30 seconds.
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Ah, no big loss, I guess.
But, my 60gb just died, and I'm fucking pissed. Hard drive just fucking gave out on it
I'm ready to go find the motherfucker that made it and fucking kill them
Seriously, fucking chinese transient assmbler, he should be glad I'm underage, otherwise I'd buy a gun and shoot that motherfucker.
fuck
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Ah, no big loss, I guess.
But, my 60gb just died, and I'm fucking pissed. Hard drive just fucking gave out on it
I'm ready to go find the motherfucker that made it and fucking kill them
Seriously, fucking chinese transient assmbler, he should be glad I'm underage, otherwise I'd buy a gun and shoot that motherfucker.
fuck
CrAz3D? Is that you?
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Ah, no big loss, I guess.
But, my 60gb just died, and I'm fucking pissed. Hard drive just fucking gave out on it
I'm ready to go find the motherfucker that made it and fucking kill them
Seriously, fucking chinese transient assmbler, he should be glad I'm underage, otherwise I'd buy a gun and shoot that motherfucker.
fuck
CrAz3D? Is that you?
No, there was nothing about women cooking... :-*
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Ah, no big loss, I guess.
But, my 60gb just died, and I'm fucking pissed. Hard drive just fucking gave out on it
I'm ready to go find the motherfucker that made it and fucking kill them
Seriously, fucking chinese transient assmbler, he should be glad I'm underage, otherwise I'd buy a gun and shoot that motherfucker.
fuck
My Zune is working great. ;) :)
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I don't remember if I said this already, but it'd probably take longer to look through 6 pages than to re-type it anyways. My 30 gig 5.5 gen suffered from heat stroke (left in glove box with windows closed in the sun on 100+ degree day), and the DAC out pin from the DSP managed to lift itself off the board. I gave it to a friend who had the tools to fix it, and two months later, after it still wasn't fixed, I bought my 80 gig 6th gen.
You can clearly tell that they put a significantly faster processor in it, and did a lot to the UI. It has cover flow, and it's less choppy than it is on my macbook! My only complaint is that the screensaver is boring - it shows play/lock/battery/clock status in black and white; it should use the cover art thing from the main menu.
It also exhibits some weird behavior when it's tethered - under certain circumstances, it forgets that it's tethered and goes back to the main menu (as long as you're not accessing the disk). That may be the intended behavior, but I don't think so because my 5.5 gen never did that.
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I found the iPod Classics to be pretty crappy. I got an assload of UI lag and coverflow was slow with a good amount of albums on it.
The only place Coverflow has been pretty much flawless has been on the iPod Touch/iPhone. The classic is an embarrassment, and iirc it uses the same processor as the 5.5g
And yes! Zune ftw! First gen still works flawlessly, as does my second gen. I find the whole Social environment to be much more friendly than the iPod Ecosystem.
Plus first gen is practically indestructible.
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I found the iPod Classics to be pretty crappy. I got an assload of UI lag and coverflow was slow with a good amount of albums on it.
The only place Coverflow has been pretty much flawless has been on the iPod Touch/iPhone. The classic is an embarrassment, and iirc it uses the same processor as the 5.5g
I also found the iPod Classic to be laggy and a bad UI experience, but I wouldn't call it an "embarrassment" by any stretch. It's still a fantastic device, and still the best (only?) device with 160gb harddrive!
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I found the iPod Classics to be pretty crappy. I got an assload of UI lag and coverflow was slow with a good amount of albums on it.
The only place Coverflow has been pretty much flawless has been on the iPod Touch/iPhone. The classic is an embarrassment, and iirc it uses the same processor as the 5.5g
I also found the iPod Classic to be laggy and a bad UI experience, but I wouldn't call it an "embarrassment" by any stretch. It's still a fantastic device, and still the best (only?) device with 160gb harddrive!
This is true for the 160gb device, but yes it's the best because it's the only one :). I think when compared to the previous iteration, it feels very rushed.
Maybe it's just that they've exhausted their menu based UI.
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I found the iPod Classics to be pretty crappy. I got an assload of UI lag and coverflow was slow with a good amount of albums on it.
The only place Coverflow has been pretty much flawless has been on the iPod Touch/iPhone. The classic is an embarrassment, and iirc it uses the same processor as the 5.5g
And yes! Zune ftw! First gen still works flawlessly, as does my second gen. I find the whole Social environment to be much more friendly than the iPod Ecosystem.
Plus first gen is practically indestructible.
Maybe I got a newer hardware revision? My new classic is better than my 5.5gen by leaps and bounds.
In any case, its purpose is to play music, which every iPod does equally well :)
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I found the iPod Classics to be pretty crappy. I got an assload of UI lag and coverflow was slow with a good amount of albums on it.
The only place Coverflow has been pretty much flawless has been on the iPod Touch/iPhone. The classic is an embarrassment, and iirc it uses the same processor as the 5.5g
And yes! Zune ftw! First gen still works flawlessly, as does my second gen. I find the whole Social environment to be much more friendly than the iPod Ecosystem.
Plus first gen is practically indestructible.
Maybe I got a newer hardware revision? My new classic is better than my 5.5gen by leaps and bounds.
In any case, its purpose is to play music, which every iPod does equally well :)
Always a possibility, in which case that would make the Classic pretty good. Of course, I'm still in bed with Zune.
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Ah, no big loss, I guess.
But, my 60gb just died, and I'm fucking pissed. Hard drive just fucking gave out on it
I'm ready to go find the motherfucker that made it and fucking kill them
Seriously, fucking chinese transient assmbler, he should be glad I'm underage, otherwise I'd buy a gun and shoot that motherfucker.
fuck
CrAz3D? Is that you?
No, there was nothing about women cooking... :-*
I bet it was a fucking chinese transient woman that cooked up my fucking failure of an ipod. goddamnit!!!
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Cool! Someone got in again. This time I'm completely perplexed as to how they managed it. I had my windows open so little that I could only get my hand in up to my wrist (1.5"). There is nothing to pull (like a lock) with a coat hanger, there is no way to reach the handle without the window being significantly more open, I just don't get it. Nothing to take this time, at least.
These are some clever bastards. I think next Friday I'll leave my sister's iPod in there with the windows down about 6" and hide in a back office. Once I see some douche get in there I'll jump out the back door of the office and beat the crap outta whoever is getting in!
I don't get it though. My window was BARLEY open. Time to pick up some rubber bullets, if I can find 'em.
Get me once, shame one you; get me twice, shame on me; get me thrice ... I'll put a bullet in your friggin' head!!!
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Cool! Someone got in again. This time I'm completely perplexed as to how they managed it. I had my windows open so little that I could only get my hand in up to my wrist (1.5"). There is nothing to pull (like a lock) with a coat hanger, there is no way to reach the handle without the window being significantly more open, I just don't get it. Nothing to take this time, at least.
These are some clever bastards. I think next Friday I'll leave my sister's iPod in there with the windows down about 6" and hide in a back office. Once I see some douche get in there I'll jump out the back door of the office and beat the crap outta whoever is getting in!
I don't get it though. My window was BARLEY open. Time to pick up some rubber bullets, if I can find 'em.
Get me once, shame one you; get me twice, shame on me; get me thrice ... I'll put a bullet in your friggin' head!!!
It's extremely easy to open most car doors with a coathanger (or, better yet, a slimjim), even if the window is sealed. It takes seconds for somebody who's experienced. All you have to do is slide it between the window and the door, hook it around the lock deal inside the door, and pull. My mom used to date a towtruck driver, and he showed me how (although I was pretty young, I don't remember anymore).
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That's my expectation too, that some jerkoff is popping it from the outside now. There was NO WAY he entered the same way as last time.
Baiting 'em seems like an awesome idea right now.
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That's my expectation too, that some jerkoff is popping it from the outside now. There was NO WAY he entered the same way as last time.
Baiting 'em seems like an awesome idea right now.
Better you get arrested sooner than later, I guess. :)
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A SLIM JIM? What the hell?
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A SLIM JIM? What the hell?
I laughed. :D
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I lol thinking how ridiculous one would look getting caught trying to stuff a slim jim into a car door.
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It's extremely easy to open most car doors with a coathanger (or, better yet, a slimjim), even if the window is sealed. It takes seconds for somebody who's experienced. All you have to do is slide it between the window and the door, hook it around the lock deal inside the door, and pull. My mom used to date a towtruck driver, and he showed me how (although I was pretty young, I don't remember anymore).
That doesn't work on all cars. Generally, it works on any American car. When I had my passenger side window replaced (some asshat smashed it to break in), I noticed that there was a metal plate over the locking mechanism to prevent that method of entry. Lots of good that did; would have been more convenient for me if they got in WITHOUT smashing the window.
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It's extremely easy to open most car doors with a coathanger (or, better yet, a slimjim), even if the window is sealed. It takes seconds for somebody who's experienced. All you have to do is slide it between the window and the door, hook it around the lock deal inside the door, and pull. My mom used to date a towtruck driver, and he showed me how (although I was pretty young, I don't remember anymore).
That doesn't work on all cars. Generally, it works on any American car. When I had my passenger side window replaced (some asshat smashed it to break in), I noticed that there was a metal plate over the locking mechanism to prevent that method of entry. Lots of good that did; would have been more convenient for me if they got in WITHOUT smashing the window.
It's not just for the locking mechanism, you can literally get it under the entire window and push the lock/open the door handle from inside the car.
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A SLIM JIM? What the hell?
(http://www.lockpickshop.com/images/products/ez-jim.jpg)
Some cars are easy to get into with a screwdriver in the lock hole. Also, there could be master keys floating around that open the doors to any car of a certain brand.
CrAz3D: Your idea is stupid, but it's not like it hasn't been done before to catch thieves. Try not to do something illegal :p
Your best option is to just not leave your windows open at all. Think about that one yet?
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It's extremely easy to open most car doors with a coathanger (or, better yet, a slimjim), even if the window is sealed. It takes seconds for somebody who's experienced. All you have to do is slide it between the window and the door, hook it around the lock deal inside the door, and pull. My mom used to date a towtruck driver, and he showed me how (although I was pretty young, I don't remember anymore).
That doesn't work on all cars. Generally, it works on any American car. When I had my passenger side window replaced (some asshat smashed it to break in), I noticed that there was a metal plate over the locking mechanism to prevent that method of entry. Lots of good that did; would have been more convenient for me if they got in WITHOUT smashing the window.
Haha, that last part is what I was thinking. :)
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A SLIM JIM? What the hell?
(http://www.lockpickshop.com/images/products/ez-jim.jpg)
Some cars are easy to get into with a screwdriver in the lock hole. Also, there could be master keys floating around that open the doors to any car of a certain brand.
CrAz3D: Your idea is stupid, but it's not like it hasn't been done before to catch thieves. Try not to do something illegal :p
Your best option is to just not leave your windows open at all. Think about that one yet?
This time it wasnt the open window, NO ONE could've gained entry through the small crack I had (no queer jokes, please). Someone took effort and BROKE in. It's not illegal to apprehend someone in the commission of a felony, including using deadly force (not in NM anyway)
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Wait, how do you know someone got in if they didn't take anything?
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Visor down, center console in the up position (I always have it down) and receipts from overhead & open console were strewn about.
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NO ONE could've gained entry through the small crack I had (no queer jokes, please).
Haha, I didn't even think of that until you pointed it out! :)
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NO ONE could've gained entry through the small crack I had (no queer jokes, please).
Haha, I didn't even think of that until you pointed it out! :)
Oh, ew, damn... that comment, plus the slim jim, just too much... ugh...
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And yes! Zune ftw! First gen still works flawlessly, as does my second gen. I find the whole Social environment to be much more friendly than the iPod Ecosystem.
My Zune 80GB has to be indestructible. I dropped it on a cement sidewalk, all it received was a little nick on the bottom. I use it everywhere I go. Never had a problem.
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80GB is much flimsier than the 30GB because of the lack of the double shot plastic coating from the first gen, it makes the 80GB thinner but also much flimsier.
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80GB is much flimsier than the 30GB because of the lack of the double shot plastic coating from the first gen, it makes the 80GB thinner but also much flimsier.
Sadly the 30GB was never available here in Canada. I would have purchased a 30GB Zune long ago if it was here.