Cover-flow of networked computers.
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~perekdr/leopard_windows_easter_egg.jpg
With icons for Windows being a bluescreened monitor.
Notice how all the computers are Windows computers? It's because the world uses Windows.
Suck it, Apple. Should have gotten something that's more pleasing to the eye, since we'll be seeing a lot of those icons. :P
Cover-flow seems to be Apple's new thing. It looks good.
Coverflow has no practical use outside of the iPhone/iPod Touch.
It's a gimmick anywhere else.
I still think that Leopard is a lack luster release, especially since one of the features they're touting is screen savers.
Then again, they'll still sell them to the hoards of Apple sheep.
I am downloading it now :P
I want it for spaces. I used the developer preview, and I loved that I could put my windows VM in a fullscreen space. apple+left/right to switch between operating systems.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
You can get virtual desktops for XP too. :P
Quote from: Newby on October 25, 2007, 09:15:00 PM
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
You can get virtual desktops for XP too. :P
and it's been availible in Linux since god knows when..
but hey lets call it spaces, give it a whooshy transition and sell it to the sheep.
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Coverflow has no practical use outside of the iPhone/iPod Touch.
It's a gimmick anywhere else.
I still think that Leopard is a lack luster release, especially since one of the features they're touting is screen savers.
Then again, they'll still sell them to the hoards of Apple sheep.
Coverflow reminds me of that Vista Alt-Tab 3d preview thing...
Quote from: Blaze on October 26, 2007, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: Warriorx86] link=topic=10538.msg134154#msg134154 date=1193360262]
Coverflow has no practical use outside of the iPhone/iPod Touch.
It's a gimmick anywhere else.
I still think that Leopard is a lack luster release, especially since one of the features they're touting is screen savers.
Then again, they'll still sell them to the hoards of Apple sheep.
Coverflow reminds me of that Vista Alt-Tab 3d preview thing...
Windows Tab?
But yeah...
Quote from: Blaze on October 26, 2007, 04:52:29 PM
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Coverflow has no practical use outside of the iPhone/iPod Touch.
It's a gimmick anywhere else.
I still think that Leopard is a lack luster release, especially since one of the features they're touting is screen savers.
Then again, they'll still sell them to the hoards of Apple sheep.
Coverflow reminds me of that Vista Alt-Tab 3d preview thing...
It's completely different, unless you're relating their both equal uselessness. Both are gimmicks to make people go "ooh".
Quote from: Newby on October 25, 2007, 09:15:00 PM
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
You can get virtual desktops for XP too. :P
I use this at work, but sadly it has many annoying bugs especially when using other stupid programs like Excel :(
Also, spaces doesn't strike me as exactly new... My boss and such have had multiple desktops for awhile now but they rotate around a cube...
# Float Above Other Applications
Watch a DVD while working in another application. Leopard DVD Player lets you keep your movie at the front of your desktop no matter what else you need to do.
One of the 300 Leopard features.
Where would I be without the ability to have a DVD above other windows???????
Seriously.
Quote from: Newby on October 25, 2007, 09:15:00 PM
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
You can get virtual desktops for XP too. :P
Spaces are not virtual desktops. If you use it, you'll be forced to agree that it blows any virtual desktop implementation out of the water.
Quote from: zorm on October 26, 2007, 08:21:59 PM
Also, spaces doesn't strike me as exactly new... My boss and such have had multiple desktops for awhile now but they rotate around a cube...
It isn't a new idea, but they've worked out all the kinks. Beryl is cool, but it's just a window manager. It depends on the idea of virtual desktops, which spaces are not.
Since I'm not Apple-savvy, do you mind explaining the difference, Camel? My friend (who isn't partial to any platform) says it's virtual desktops and nothing more. :\
Edit --
So I watched a video of Steve Jobs demoing spaces. While I see a few things there that I haven't seen in the Linux virtual desktop implementations I'm familiar with (and I don't make heavy use of virtual desktops, so I don't know much about them), I still think it is a marginally fancier virtual desktop implementation.
Leopard is a Service Pack.
Don't expect it to have ground breaking features.
I think Vista SP1 may have more in terms of features.
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Leopard is a Service Pack.
Don't expect it to have ground breaking features.
I think Vista SP1 may have more in terms of features.
Yeah, I gathered that. :)
I think it's a testament to how easy it is to con the consumer out of evolutionary functionality.
Some of the features are not even well done either. I mean, they murdered the dock. They're using two perspectives there, with confusing reflection, and an odd look when attached to the side of the screen.
The Top Bar's translucency kills usability, it's really horrible. Even with a solid color as a background it turns a shade of light blue.
Where's the uniformity in that? Hell, where's the logic in that?
Even in Windows Vista the Taskbar's translucency is not so exaggerated. It still retains it's overall black hue.
Time Machine is just a visual front end to Previous Versions, a Versioning and Backup system present in Windows since 2003. Where's the innovation?
They slap a retarded User Interface on it and call it a day. Not to mention it requires a second hard drive.
Under Windows Vista the versioning system works flawlessly with the already in place backup. I can backup to an image, a second harddrive, or on a per file basis a'la versioning.
Spaces is no matter how much you play around with words, a virtual desktop implementation.
The only reason spaces does "not depend on the idea of virtual desktops" is because it's off by default.
Once you enable it, it becomes a full part of the user-experience. I'm not sure what point is being made here.
The only innovative thing out of the Apple Camp this release is XCode. Everything else is not innovative, it's existed in one way or another in other systems. The very thing Apple ridiculed Vista for doing, it now does itself.
Not to mention it was supposed to ship *before* Vista.
There's a difference though. Vista moved 88 million copies in less than a year, and Microsoft posted their best quarterly earnings in 9 years. Makes Apple's earnings on all of their collective products seem like nothing.
Looks like karma is coming to bite Steve Jobs in the ass.
Regarless of all the negative thought/comments on OS X, I'll still purchase it to update my iBook.
Oh, you have to pay? That kind of sucks... :\
I won't say that's total bullshit, though, since Apple tends to do things their own way (usually to a reasonable extend) and they don't do a bad job with it from what I've seen.
Quote from: Sidoh on October 27, 2007, 12:58:08 PM
Oh, you have to pay? That kind of sucks... :\
I won't say that's total bullshit, though, since Apple tends to do things their own way (usually to a reasonable extend) and they don't do a bad job with it from what I've seen.
Yes, it's like $120 or something.
For a service pack.
Quote from: Sidoh on October 27, 2007, 04:03:36 AM
Since I'm not Apple-savvy, do you mind explaining the difference, Camel? My friend (who isn't partial to any platform) says it's virtual desktops and nothing more. :\
Plug in a second monitor and you'll understand perfectly. :)
There is a big difference.
Quote from: Camel on October 28, 2007, 11:37:06 AM
Plug in a second monitor and you'll understand perfectly. :)
There is a big difference.
I have one. Do you have a link to a demo or something?
$116 with Student Discount, Tiger was about 50 with the discount. I think I'll wait awhile.
Quote from: Camel on October 28, 2007, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: Sidoh on October 27, 2007, 04:03:36 AM
Since I'm not Apple-savvy, do you mind explaining the difference, Camel? My friend (who isn't partial to any platform) says it's virtual desktops and nothing more. :\
Plug in a second monitor and you'll understand perfectly. :)
There is a big difference.
Better be a $120 difference.
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Quote from: Camel on October 28, 2007, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: Sidoh on October 27, 2007, 04:03:36 AM
Since I'm not Apple-savvy, do you mind explaining the difference, Camel? My friend (who isn't partial to any platform) says it's virtual desktops and nothing more. :\
Plug in a second monitor and you'll understand perfectly. :)
There is a big difference.
Better be a $120 difference.
Pfft, wtf. I freaking bought my copy of XP, a whole operating system not just a SP, 5-6 years ago (SP1) at $181. Again, just an example of Apple overcharging like they do for MacBooks and shit.
Quote from: Michael on October 30, 2007, 01:38:13 AM
Pfft, wtf. I freaking bought my copy of XP, a whole operating system not just a SP, 5-6 years ago (SP1) at $181. Again, just an example of Apple overcharging like they do for MacBooks and shit.
$181 was what, the cost of XP Professional
Upgrade? The full versions are usually a couple hundred more than the upgrades.
The upgrade editions of XP cost $100 less than their OEM counterparts. And btw, the edition targetting home users - Home Edition - was $89.95.
Apple doesn't even attempt to protect their software from piracy. You can copy the Leopard DVD with the software that comes with Leopard.
Therefore, cost is irrelevant. :)
Furthermore, even software that's designed to be shareware/trialware has a certain inability to expire, since it's only guaranteed to be able to store information in its own application folder (there's no equivalent of a registry in OS X). When an application expires, you drag it to the trash and re-extract it from its distribution archive.
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The upgrade editions of XP cost $100 less than their OEM counterparts. And btw, the edition targetting home users - Home Edition - was $89.95.
Really? I could have sworn I remembered full versions being $200+ more than the upgrade for both XP and 2000. I can't imagine the OEM and retail box price differences being 50%.
Quote from: Chavo on October 30, 2007, 06:11:34 PM
Really? I could have sworn I remembered full versions being $200+ more than the upgrade for both XP and 2000. I can't imagine the OEM and retail box price differences being 50%.
Nah. An upgrade for XP Pro = $200. A full install = $300. All prices = retail. :P
Quote from: Camel on October 30, 2007, 05:27:41 PM
Furthermore, even software that's designed to be shareware/trialware has a certain inability to expire, since it's only guaranteed to be able to store information in its own application folder (there's no equivalent of a registry in OS X). When an application expires, you drag it to the trash and re-extract it from its distribution archive.
That's interesting. I'm guessing software installation isn't as liberal as it is on Windows, probably for the better. It allows a much finer control and let's you make broader assumptions about every program installed on the system. Probably a godsend for troubleshooting.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/30/mini-how-to-remove-the-windows-bsod-icon-in-leopard-make-os-x-a-little-less-smug/
Fuck Apple.
It's a little amusing. ;D
Quote from: Newby on October 31, 2007, 02:20:03 AM
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/30/mini-how-to-remove-the-windows-bsod-icon-in-leopard-make-os-x-a-little-less-smug/
Fuck Apple.
Doesn't really bother me.
Every time they get cocky you just remind them who gave them the cash infusion to keep them from going under.
Seems to wake Steve Jobs right up =)
I think it's kind of depressing when Apple goes and does things like this. OSX is certainly unique, but they often confuse that for being superior. My primary computer is my MacBook, and I do love how easy everything is, particularly because I have to cope with a touch pad when I'm on the go. With that said, I should point out that it would be impossible to do about half of my job on a Mac. Actually, that isn't entirely true; when I work from home, I usually tunnel through an SSH connection to Remote Desktop from my mac to my work PC. In that sense, I can do anything on my mac. Just the fact that we keep our source code in ClearCase restricts me from ever being able to access it directly from my Mac; IBM doesn't support the platform, because no one who is serious about any kind of development other than software for OSX would ever choose to develop the software in OSX. This is a huge part of why there is so little software for the platform; the people who are drawn to the flashy interface generally are not developers.
The usefulness of OSX to me ends shortly after checking my email and running my Java bot. I couldn't ever abandon my Windows and Linux machines; they're too valuable to me.