http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml
Cause women are worse drivers than men :D
You drive like a gay man, CrAz3D!
Sorry to tell you, it's still sexist.
Quote from: iago on January 05, 2008, 02:45:21 PM
Sorry to tell you, it's still sexist.
How so?
In the context of the study, saying "you drive like a woman" is a comparison.
Quote from: CrAz3D on January 05, 2008, 03:02:45 PM
How so?
In the context of the study, saying "you drive like a woman" is a comparison.
So, "you drive like a nigger" isn't racist? I'm sure if they did some tests there'd be a slight difference... so it's a comparison!
Quote from: CrAz3D on January 05, 2008, 03:02:45 PM
Quote from: iago on January 05, 2008, 02:45:21 PM
Sorry to tell you, it's still sexist.
How so?
In the context of the study, saying "you drive like a woman" is a comparison.
First of all, the actual study had nothing to do with driving; it was about spatial awareness, the idiotic reporter just spun it to look like that.
Second, even with the logical conclusion that women navigate by landmarks and men navigate by a heightened sense of direction, who's to say that either one is better, or even more importantly, that it has anything to do with driving skill whatsoever?
Third, you still drive like a gay man, CrAz3D!
Quote from: Newby on January 05, 2008, 03:09:56 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on January 05, 2008, 03:02:45 PM
How so?
In the context of the study, saying "you drive like a woman" is a comparison.
So, "you drive like a nigger" isn't racist? I'm sure if they did some tests there'd be a slight difference... so it's a comparison!
I do, seat leaning back music bumping windows down smokin a philly. You know
Quote from: Trust on January 05, 2008, 08:20:26 PM
I do, seat leaning back music bumping windows down smokin a philly. You know
8).
Quote from: Newby on January 05, 2008, 09:18:49 PM
Quote from: Trust on January 05, 2008, 08:20:26 PM
I do, seat leaning back music bumping windows down smokin a philly. You know
8).
See, trust drives like a nigger/negro/black guy. You dont have to use nigger, that word on its own would be the racist part. Saying "you drive like a woman/ho/bitch" would be derogatory because of the ho/bitch, not woman
Quote from: CrAz3D on January 05, 2008, 11:43:06 PM
You dont have to use nigger, that word on its own would be the racist part.
Please. The use of the word "nigger" as it is used on these forums is rarely if ever racist.
When it was used in a racist fashion was when a group of people used it to refer to another whom they implicitly believed were inferior to them. I believe few if any people on this forum don't know better than to think that way, and when people say "nigger" now, it's primarily for shock factor. It's considered taboo, and so it's used to draw out the taboo. When people claim this is racism, it further dilutes the meaning of racism in such a way to make it harder for us to recognize real racism. Just let it go - it doesn't make you cool, it just makes people sound like retards.
Quote from: Trust on January 05, 2008, 08:20:26 PM
I do, seat leaning back music bumping windows down smokin a philly. You know
You're an idiot.
Quote from: iago on January 05, 2008, 02:45:21 PM
Sorry to tell you, it's still sexist.
It's not! And it has nothing to do with the study. It's because the expression "you drive like a woman" is
a joke that is funny because of the natural tension caused by the psychology of ingroup/outgroup behavior and classification.
If said among a group of only guys: it's funny because the guys can bond over it and edify their ingroup efficacy.
If said among a mixed group of men and women: it's funny because it creates a clear distinction between the men and women, simultaneously driving a wedge between the groups and increasing group efficacy of each group.
Note that it would rarely if ever be said by a man to a woman alone or to a group of women because it wouldn't make sense (though I have to say, I have a friend who would say it in this context, but like so many things he says, it wouldn't be funny).
GET OVER IT. HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR!
As I was thinking about it, there's another component to this.
Men tend to notice more frequently when women are driving like idiots than when other men are driving like idiots because women are in the outgroup. People tend to notice or even perceive offenses committed by outgroups more frequently than those committed by members of the ingroup because of the natural biases people develop (the entire reason we develop groups in our minds - to conserve cognitive resources by developing heuristics to formulate opinions about other people quickly).
Saying that a man drives like a woman totally defeats the purpose of saying it, because you're admitting that women can drive like men.
You just got beat by Joe. But don't worry.. well, maybe you should.
Quote from: Joe[ix86] on January 06, 2008, 07:09:42 AM
Saying that a man drives like a woman totally defeats the purpose of saying it, because you're admitting that women can drive like men.
You just got beat by Joe. But don't worry.. well, maybe you should.
touché
Quote from: MyndFyre on January 06, 2008, 06:48:18 AM
Quote from: Trust on January 05, 2008, 08:20:26 PM
I do, seat leaning back music bumping windows down smokin a philly. You know
You're an idiot.
Why am I an idiot? Is it because I like beat down low, and my top let back? Cause you can see me ridin' 24's with a chopper in the back? Cause I like my Kenwood high and your top let back? Or because my rims sit high and my windows pitch black?
Quote from: MyndFyre on January 06, 2008, 06:48:18 AM
It's not! And it has nothing to do with the study. It's because the expression "you drive like a woman" is a joke that is funny because of the natural tension caused by the psychology of ingroup/outgroup behavior and classification.
If said among a group of only guys: it's funny because the guys can bond over it and edify their ingroup efficacy.
If said among a mixed group of men and women: it's funny because it creates a clear distinction between the men and women, simultaneously driving a wedge between the groups and increasing group efficacy of each group.
Note that it would rarely if ever be said by a man to a woman alone or to a group of women because it wouldn't make sense (though I have to say, I have a friend who would say it in this context, but like so many things he says, it wouldn't be funny).
GET OVER IT. HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR!
It takes a group of people, applies a stereotype to all of them, then demeans that group by making fun of that stereotype. That's basically the definition of racism/sexism. I think there's a strong difference between having a sense of humour and laughing at racist/sexist comments.
It isn't a stereotype, it's an average occurrence
Quote from: Trust on January 06, 2008, 10:25:17 AM
Why am I an idiot? Is it because I like beat down low, and my top let back? Cause you can see me ridin' 24's with a chopper in the back? Cause I like my Kenwood high and your top let back? Or because my rims sit high and my windows pitch black?
buahahaha
Quote from: Trust on January 06, 2008, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: MyndFyre on January 06, 2008, 06:48:18 AM
Quote from: Trust on January 05, 2008, 08:20:26 PM
I do, seat leaning back music bumping windows down smokin a philly. You know
You're an idiot.
Why am I an idiot? Is it because I like beat down low, and my top let back? Cause you can see me ridin' 24's with a chopper in the back? Cause I like my Kenwood high and your top let back? Or because my rims sit high and my windows pitch black?
No, you're just an idiot.
Quote from: rabbit on January 06, 2008, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Trust on January 06, 2008, 10:25:17 AM
Why am I an idiot? Is it because I like beat down low, and my top let back? Cause you can see me ridin' 24's with a chopper in the back? Cause I like my Kenwood high and your top let back? Or because my rims sit high and my windows pitch black?
No, you're just an idiot.
Quote from: iago on January 06, 2008, 11:50:05 AM
It takes a group of people, applies a stereotype to all of them, then demeans that group by making fun of that stereotype. That's basically the definition of racism/sexism. I think there's a strong difference between having a sense of humour and laughing at racist/sexist comments.
But it
isn't demeaning unless you (as the member of the group) take it to be! That's the whole point! Nobody ever means anything by it - that's why it's funny! It's just like when Newby calls someone a "nigger" - I think I can gauge his personality well enough to know that he doesn't mean it in the same way as I described in my post. A word isn't intrinsically "-ist" in any way - it's all about who's saying it and what they mean.
Quote from: MyndFyre on January 06, 2008, 03:54:12 PM
But it isn't demeaning unless you (as the member of the group) take it to be! That's the whole point! Nobody ever means anything by it - that's why it's funny! It's just like when Newby calls someone a "nigger" - I think I can gauge his personality well enough to know that he doesn't mean it in the same way as I described in my post. A word isn't intrinsically "-ist" in any way - it's all about who's saying it and what they mean.
But it
is demeaning, because people
do mean something by it. I don't know what the proper name is, but I've heard it called passive racism. It's really the same as calling somebody a fag, which is passive gay bashing. For the joke to actually be understood, you have to understand that we're superior to women/black people/homosexuals in some way, so applying their traits to somebody is funny.
In other words, by saying that someone being a woman/black person/homosexual is bad, you're implying that those traits are bad, and, thus, it's racism, albeit passive.
iago, you're such a nigger
So I was playing Girltalk for my mom today when I was driving home, which was kind of weird. She was picking out the old songs the rap is mixed with (it has Elton John, Styx, Peter Frampton, Fleetwood Mac, etc.)
It's a good CD to bump with the windows down and seats leanin'.