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General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: CrAz3D on November 28, 2008, 01:09:52 PM

Title: Removing emotions from gun debates
Post by: CrAz3D on November 28, 2008, 01:09:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf8x477c30

Basically, be informed before you take a position about something.  All modern day gun bans (excluding all out prohibitions on firearms) are based on cosmetics, not function & fact.
Title: Re: Removing emotions from gun debates
Post by: Sidoh on November 28, 2008, 09:16:58 PM
I didn't really follow the argument.  He's saying that assault rifles are similar to some hunting rifles, therefore the outlawing of assault rifles is silly?

I'm sure this is a common misconception, but I don't think it's a cogent argument.
Title: Re: Removing emotions from gun debates
Post by: leet_muffin on November 29, 2008, 04:45:55 AM
Removing emotion from politics in general. Wow, imagine that, running the country like a successful business.
Title: Re: Removing emotions from gun debates
Post by: Sidoh on November 29, 2008, 04:57:18 AM
Quote from: leet_muffin on November 29, 2008, 04:45:55 AM
Removing emotion from politics in general. Wow, imagine that, running the country like a successful business.

I'm not sure that makes sense in general.  I think it's necessary to base some policies on emotion on some level.  Empathy, which is the source of many laws, I think, is clearly an emotional trait.  I think you're more likely wanting to remove emotion where it isn't useful and there are more reasonable alternatives to turn to, though.

Did you watch the video?  As far as I'm aware of, it didn't address any commonly contested area in the debate.  Sure, let's remove the emotion  -- especially emotion conjured from anecdotal evidence.  Beyond that, I don't think this video was especially useful or harmful for/to either side of the argument.
Title: Re: Removing emotions from gun debates
Post by: MyndFyre on November 29, 2008, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: Sidoh on November 29, 2008, 04:57:18 AM
Quote from: leet_muffin on November 29, 2008, 04:45:55 AM
Removing emotion from politics in general. Wow, imagine that, running the country like a successful business.

I'm not sure that makes sense in general.  I think it's necessary to base some policies on emotion on some level.  Empathy, which is the source of many laws, I think, is clearly an emotional trait.  I think you're more likely wanting to remove emotion where it isn't useful and there are more reasonable alternatives to turn to, though.
Yeah, but you can't make objective decisions based on subjective feelings.
Title: Re: Removing emotions from gun debates
Post by: CrAz3D on November 29, 2008, 12:03:33 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on November 29, 2008, 04:57:18 AM
Quote from: leet_muffin on November 29, 2008, 04:45:55 AM
Removing emotion from politics in general. Wow, imagine that, running the country like a successful business.

I'm not sure that makes sense in general.  I think it's necessary to base some policies on emotion on some level.  Empathy, which is the source of many laws, I think, is clearly an emotional trait.  I think you're more likely wanting to remove emotion where it isn't useful and there are more reasonable alternatives to turn to, though.

Did you watch the video?  As far as I'm aware of, it didn't address any commonly contested area in the debate.  Sure, let's remove the emotion  -- especially emotion conjured from anecdotal evidence.  Beyond that, I don't think this video was especially useful or harmful for/to either side of the argument.

The video addressed the misinformation we receive from the media. 
Title: Re: Removing emotions from gun debates
Post by: Sidoh on November 29, 2008, 01:32:24 PM
Quote from: MyndFyre on November 29, 2008, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: Sidoh on November 29, 2008, 04:57:18 AM
Quote from: leet_muffin on November 29, 2008, 04:45:55 AM
Removing emotion from politics in general. Wow, imagine that, running the country like a successful business.

I'm not sure that makes sense in general.  I think it's necessary to base some policies on emotion on some level.  Empathy, which is the source of many laws, I think, is clearly an emotional trait.  I think you're more likely wanting to remove emotion where it isn't useful and there are more reasonable alternatives to turn to, though.
Yeah, but you can't make objective decisions based on subjective feelings.

Duh. :P

The 'correctness' of morals/laws are subjective.