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Off topic/Crap => Trash Can => Topic started by: CrAz3D on July 09, 2009, 01:45:19 PM

Title: Oh my, so much statistical noise! (Obama job rating)
Post by: CrAz3D on July 09, 2009, 01:45:19 PM
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php?xml=/flashcharts/content/xml/Obama44JobApproval.xml&choices=Approve,Disapprove&phone&ivr&internet&mail&smoothing&from_date&to_date&min_pct&max_pct&grid&points&trends&lines

yeah, no trend there at all ::).

Its good to see that America is coming around to reality, and off the cloud of "hope & change."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/03/powell-airs-doubts-on-obama-agenda/

Not to mention even Biden contradicts everything Obama says (or, well, Obama has to contradict everything Biden says)
Title: Re: Oh my, so much statistical noise! (Obama job rating)
Post by: Warrior on July 09, 2009, 02:22:48 PM
Interesting chart, but you read too much into the slant of the line. You should know when constructive graphs how misleading they can be, given the scale applied. Since the scale is at 5% intervals, even statistical noise like his fluctuations from 69% to 60% are seen as dramatic shifts.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121511/Obama-Averages-61-Job-Approval-June.aspx

Gallup shows his month to month averages, and he had another month where his average was 62%, then it shot right back up. He's stayed largely the same (Once his Inagural Honeymoon died down).

Also, look at the breakdown by party, his fluctuations stem from Republicans agreeing/disagreeing with his policies, and independents shifting slightly. His support is still rock solid amongst Dems and Independents though.
Title: Re: Oh my, so much statistical noise! (Obama job rating)
Post by: CrAz3D on July 09, 2009, 05:17:17 PM
so a 5 point drop is still just "noise?"
Title: Re: Oh my, so much statistical noise! (Obama job rating)
Post by: Warrior on July 09, 2009, 06:12:36 PM
Yes, when it goes from 60 to 69 to 65 to 60 to 65 to 69, that is indeed statistical noise. Those are day to day numbers, from various polling samples, and a margin of error of 3 points..

Title: Re: Oh my, so much statistical noise! (Obama job rating)
Post by: CrAz3D on July 13, 2009, 04:37:20 PM
current events affect day-to-day numbers.  average still dropping
Title: Re: Oh my, so much statistical noise! (Obama job rating)
Post by: Warrior on July 13, 2009, 05:15:12 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on July 13, 2009, 04:37:20 PM
current events affect day-to-day numbers. average still dropping

You just come up with a new bullshit point once I knock down your old bullshit point.
Title: Re: Oh my, so much statistical noise! (Obama job rating)
Post by: CrAz3D on July 13, 2009, 06:45:57 PM
stop drinking so much koolaid.
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php?xml=/flashcharts/content/xml/Obama44JobApproval.xml&choices=Approve,Disapprove&phone&ivr&internet&mail&smoothing&from_date&to_date&min_pct&max_pct&grid&points&trends&lines

First link shows that avg approval is going down, downtown.
Title: Re: Oh my, so much statistical noise! (Obama job rating)
Post by: Warrior on July 13, 2009, 08:39:18 PM
Quote from: Warrior on July 09, 2009, 02:22:48 PM
Interesting chart, but you read too much into the slant of the line. You should know when constructive graphs how misleading they can be, given the scale applied. Since the scale is at 5% intervals, even statistical noise like his fluctuations from 69% to 60% are seen as dramatic shifts.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121511/Obama-Averages-61-Job-Approval-June.aspx

Gallup shows his month to month averages, and he had another month where his average was 62%, then it shot right back up. He's stayed largely the same (Once his Inagural Honeymoon died down).

Also, look at the breakdown by party, his fluctuations stem from Republicans agreeing/disagreeing with his policies, and independents shifting slightly. His support is still rock solid amongst Dems and Independents though.

Be smart please.