http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/video-of-swat-raid-on-missouri
Absolutely horrible.
The cops busted down the door, shot the dog, and arrested the parents (in front of a 7-year-old child), and the parents had a small amount of marijuana. Then they charged the parents with "child endangerment" -- I'm sure what the police did was about 1000x more endangering than having a small amount of marijuana.
I'm glad the father was smart enough to say nothing and immediately ask for an lawyer, refusing to answer any questions. Good move there.
-.-
I thought Obama stopped the DEA from shutting down marijuana dispensaries...and yet cops are raiding casual users with a SWAT team? Ridiculous.
Quote from: iago on May 05, 2010, 12:23:48 PM
http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/video-of-swat-raid-on-missouri
Absolutely horrible.
The cops busted down the door, shot the dog, and arrested the parents (in front of a 7-year-old child), and the parents had a small amount of marijuana. Then they charged the parents with "child endangerment" -- I'm sure what the police did was about 1000x more endangering than having a small amount of marijuana.
I'm glad the father was smart enough to say nothing and immediately ask for an lawyer, refusing to answer any questions. Good move there.
They knocked on the door for ~10s, no response. They weren't quiet. They don't show the dog doing anything, but you don't know that it wasn't being hostile ( all you can hear is barking ). The kid was in the bedroom and the dog was on the opposite side of the house. I don't think the dad saying "fuck" 100 times was any better than the officers being loud. They don't show anyone being arrested in front of the child ( he's near the front door and dad is down the hallway, you can hear an officer outside asking if she has a coat anywhere so I doubt she's still inside with the kid ). Seems like there are a lot of assumptions. And yes, getting high is endangering your child as much as getting drunk is, go be a hippie somewhere else?
Moral of the story: Don't do illegal things and you won't get in trouble?
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
And yes, getting high is endangering your child as much as getting drunk is
No. Also, I'd like to see a SWAT team arrest a father who has beer in the house.
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
And yes, getting high is endangering your child as much as getting drunk is
People need to do something more than just getting drunk to be 'endangering your child', why is it not the same for drugs, if they're equally as endangering?
I disagree why drugs were banned. I don't do drugs, either, before you go pull that card.
This is an issue of stupid double standards that don't make sense and waste a lot of money, gets too many people killed and is just a waste of time overall.
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
They knocked on the door for ~10s, no response. They weren't quiet.
It was the middle of the night, I sure as hell don't answer my door in 10 seconds at that time. If they WERE awake, the cops never would have found any drugs.
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
They don't show the dog doing anything, but you don't know that it wasn't being hostile ( all you can hear is barking ).
Perhaps, but the father asked, over and over, why they killed his dog and kept saying it was a nice dog. He likely would have been less surprised if it was known to be mean.
Of course, a group of men busting into the house is the kind of thing that'll freak out most dogs, who tend to be territorial, so who knows?
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
The kid was in the bedroom and the dog was on the opposite side of the house.
There's no evidence to support that.
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
I don't think the dad saying "fuck" 100 times was any better than the officers being loud.
Nobody said anything about the officers being loud. Nor do I blame the guy for being pissed off.
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
They don't show anyone being arrested in front of the child ( he's near the front door and dad is down the hallway, you can hear an officer outside asking if she has a coat anywhere so I doubt she's still inside with the kid ).
The difference between the official "you're under arrest" and the officers busting down the door and shooting a family pet is pretty fuzzy. Even if the actual official "arrest" didn't happen in front of the kid, it's still a rough situation for him.
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
Seems like there are a lot of assumptions. And yes, getting high is endangering your child as much as getting drunk is, go be a hippie somewhere else?
The other responses about this were good, but something to add: they didn't say anything about whether they were using the marijuana in front of the child. Maybe they WERE going somewhere else?
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
Moral of the story: Don't do illegal things and you won't get in trouble?
There's a huge gap between "getting in trouble" and what happened here (and, apparently, happens to 150+ American families every day).
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
Moral of the story: Don't do illegal things and you won't get in trouble?
Okay. I'll make sure the cops bust down your front door in the middle of the night and shoot your pet in earshot of your daughter because you pirated Miley Cyrus' latest album.
Quote from: Joe on May 05, 2010, 03:33:59 PM
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
And yes, getting high is endangering your child as much as getting drunk is
No. Also, I'd like to see a SWAT team arrest a father who has beer in the house.
Yes. Aside from the fact that marijuana is illegal and beer isn't.
Quote from: Blaze on May 05, 2010, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
And yes, getting high is endangering your child as much as getting drunk is
People need to do something more than just getting drunk to be 'endangering your child', why is it not the same for drugs, if they're equally as endangering?
I disagree why drugs were banned. I don't do drugs, either, before you go pull that card.
This is an issue of stupid double standards that don't make sense and waste a lot of money, gets too many people killed and is just a waste of time overall.
It's irrelevant as to why they're banned. It's obviously for more than the average drug user/desk jockey would notice/know. I'm glad [insert person's name] hasn't killed someone or done something
incredibly stupid while (s)he was high, but that's not the point. They're illegal for a reason - the only people who say they should be legalized and have no real negative effects are the people who use or the people who think that they legally deserve to do them if they wanted to.
Personally. I did my whole pot / drinking stage in high school, I grew out of it. People should do the same.
@iago because I don't feel like re-quoting everything:
- Pretty sure if you watch the video again you'll notice a guy walk off to the left of the living room ( which I assume is the kitchen ) and you hear the shots and the dog whine. The kid was pulled out from the same direction the father was to the right and around the corner ( which I'll assume is where the bedrooms are ).
- If I heard someone beating and yelling on my door in the middle of the night I'd be up in a heartbeat and prepared to smack the shit out of someone. In his case, they were yelling that they were the police, pretty sure again that I'd have been moving fast. I know that when I hear my daughter cry in the middle of the night I'm in her bedroom across the hall within ~10s. Maybe that's what parents who don't get high are like?
- Again, the whole shooting of the family pet. Whether the dog is friendly to the family or not is irrelevant. The officers aren't family ( I know several dogs like this - doesn't help that it's an aggressive breed ) and it's a bit of a pain in the ass to subdue a dog in general, feel free to try and wrestle a pitbull to the ground without getting injured.
- I don't see *much* wrong with what happened. The dog got shot, but again that could be cased as self defense. They busted down the door when he didn't say anything or get to the door. ( it was exactly 10s btw ). And what conspiracy site are you pulling your numbers off of?
Quote from: deadly7 on May 05, 2010, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
Moral of the story: Don't do illegal things and you won't get in trouble?
Okay. I'll make sure the cops bust down your front door in the middle of the night and shoot your pet in earshot of your daughter because you pirated Miley Cyrus' latest album.
I don't pirate anything. Again, illegal activities and all.
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on May 05, 2010, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
Moral of the story: Don't do illegal things and you won't get in trouble?
Okay. I'll make sure the cops bust down your front door in the middle of the night and shoot your pet in earshot of your daughter because you pirated Miley Cyrus' latest album.
I don't pirate anything. Again, illegal activities and all.
But you do go 56 in a 55 zone, right?
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 05:28:46 PM
And what conspiracy site are you pulling your numbers off of?
The page I linked to (I guess you didn't read the context?) -- it has a reference to another site, which contains a 100+ page research paper, complete with piles of references and everything.
I have no plans on reading the paper, though, but if you do let me know how it goes.
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 05:28:46 PM
[snip] I'm glad [insert person's name] hasn't killed someone or done something incredibly stupid while (s)he was high, but that's not the point.
You said you've had experience with marijuana...and yet this statement makes me think you haven't.
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 05:28:46 PMThey're illegal for a reason
Not any good ones
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 05:28:46 PMthe only people who say they should be legalized and have no real negative effects are the people who use or the people who think that they legally deserve to do them if they wanted to.
Quite a large generalization there. And it sounds to me like you have no idea what you're talking about. Please cite credible sources and research that conclusively shows any negative effects of marijuana.
Forgive me for being in the wrong decade to say what I'm about to say:
Marijuana, like OTC drugs, can be used as a medication, but are often used for recreational purposes. For example, my brother (who isn't the smartest person I know - quite the other side) often steals "cold cough and congestion" drugs from Walgreens because they get him high. People drink cough syrup because it gets them high. People drink so much cough syrup that they overdose and die. Please cite me one person who's died from marijuana overdose.
If medicine for chronic back pain (marijuana) is illegal, medicine for a simple sore throat should be too, considering the latter can be fatal and the former can't.
Quote from: rabbit on May 05, 2010, 06:18:18 PM
Quote from: Furious on May 05, 2010, 05:28:46 PMThey're illegal for a reason
Not any good ones
QFT.
So, some other details from another source I was reading:
o The dog was allegedly caged at the time (and the police said after that it was aggressive and "deserved" to be shot)
o No actual marijuana was recovered (only a pipe with resin)
o They weren't suspected of selling, only of possession -- does that seriously qualify for a raid in the US?
Quote from: iago on May 07, 2010, 04:58:15 PM
o They weren't suspected of selling, only of possession -- does that seriously qualify for a raid in the US?
It's like a witch hunt down here. Accusing someone is usually enough.
Quote from: iago on May 07, 2010, 04:58:15 PM
So, some other details from another source I was reading:
o The dog was allegedly caged at the time (and the police said after that it was aggressive and "deserved" to be shot)
o No actual marijuana was recovered (only a pipe with resin)
o They weren't suspected of selling, only of possession -- does that seriously qualify for a raid in the US?
With these qualifications, it seems I'm just as susceptible to SWAT raiding my home and shooting my harmless dogs. Which is just fucking insane.
And as soon as someone who can do something about it cares, you'll be fine. Oh, wait. Nevermind.
It's pretty sad.
Quote from: iago on May 07, 2010, 04:58:15 PM
o They weren't suspected of selling, only of possession -- does that seriously qualify for a raid in the US?
We have a saying here in America: "Far more decent men have been convicted for far less."
Quote from: Armin on May 07, 2010, 07:32:56 PM
Quote from: iago on May 07, 2010, 04:58:15 PM
So, some other details from another source I was reading:
o The dog was allegedly caged at the time (and the police said after that it was aggressive and "deserved" to be shot)
o No actual marijuana was recovered (only a pipe with resin)
o They weren't suspected of selling, only of possession -- does that seriously qualify for a raid in the US?
With these qualifications, it seems I'm just as susceptible to SWAT raiding my home and shooting my harmless dogs. Which is just fucking insane.
Well, at the time of the raid, they couldn't have had anything more than a tip to go on. That'd mean that me or you or anybody would be susceptible.
sigh...
Quote from: Armin on May 07, 2010, 07:32:56 PM
[snip]
I'd delete your post immediately before some cop notices.
There is no confirmation of the pit being caged. I think the 2nd dog they shot was a corgi (all 20lbs's of evil!). SWAY acted 100% legit, but that doesn't make it right. Cops can/will/have/do make up bogus search warrant off nothing-information frequently. Fear for your safety.
And Furious, the "reason" marijuana is illegal is because of all those damn negroes raping our white women! (no, srsly, look it up)
Quote from: CrAz3D on May 13, 2010, 06:50:06 PM
And Furious, the "reason" marijuana is illegal is because of all those damn negroes raping our white women! (no, srsly, look it up)
Actually, it's Mexicans and Mormons, not "negroes".
Quote from: rabbit on May 13, 2010, 11:40:57 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on May 13, 2010, 06:50:06 PM
And Furious, the "reason" marijuana is illegal is because of all those damn negroes raping our white women! (no, srsly, look it up)
Actually, it's Mexicans and Mormons, not "negroes".
No CrAz3D is correct.
I don't understand why people on this forum have a more liberal view on Marijuana now then they did back when I was a member and arguing tediously about the legality and morals surrounding cannabis use.
Also, I think iago has a way of breaking down his arguments with logic that makes his points seem much more valid and true.
Quote from: GameSnake on May 28, 2010, 01:23:34 AM
I don't understand why people on this forum have a more liberal view on Marijuana now then they did back when I was a member and arguing tediously about the legality and morals surrounding cannabis use.
I go back and forth on the issue, depending on who I'm talking to. But yeah, I think you're right about that. :)
This is an exceptional circumstance, though, in my opinion. I mean, you can be against marijuana but still disagree with how it's being enforced.
Quote from: GameSnake on May 28, 2010, 01:23:34 AM
Also, I think iago has a way of breaking down his arguments with logic that makes his points seem much more valid and true.
Lies.. I don't know anything about logic. Are you accusing me of being a robot?