Poll
Question:
If a zombie freezes solid, then thaws, will it keep going?
Option 1: Yes, it's fine
votes: 8
Option 2: No, it's dead dead
votes: 4
Settle an argument I'm having. :)
Absolutely. While the freezing process may cause some damage to the brain as any remaining juices solidify, it would hardly be the kind of catastrophic damage necessary to completely disable the walking dead.
Freezer burn.
I'm fairly sure it's dependent on the method of freezing. For example, if a cryoprotectant were used to protect the cells, it'd be just fine. However, if it were just slowly frozen and nice large crystals were allowed to form, not so much. :(
Quote from: dark_drake on August 30, 2010, 11:20:55 PM
I'm fairly sure it's dependent on the method of freezing. For example, if a cryoprotectant were used to protect the cells, it'd be just fine. However, if it were just slowly frozen and nice large crystals were allowed to form, not so much. :(
Well, the original argument was about whether or not they'd survive the winter, so I'll take your answer as "no".
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2010, 10:57:58 AM
Quote from: dark_drake on August 30, 2010, 11:20:55 PM
I'm fairly sure it's dependent on the method of freezing. For example, if a cryoprotectant were used to protect the cells, it'd be just fine. However, if it were just slowly frozen and nice large crystals were allowed to form, not so much. :(
Well, the original argument was about whether or not they'd survive the winter, so I'll take your answer as "no".
But how much data do you have on the migratory patterns of zombies? I'm fairly sure that's important. :P
Quote from: dark_drake on August 31, 2010, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2010, 10:57:58 AM
Quote from: dark_drake on August 30, 2010, 11:20:55 PM
I'm fairly sure it's dependent on the method of freezing. For example, if a cryoprotectant were used to protect the cells, it'd be just fine. However, if it were just slowly frozen and nice large crystals were allowed to form, not so much. :(
Well, the original argument was about whether or not they'd survive the winter, so I'll take your answer as "no".
But how much data do you have on the migratory patterns of zombies? I'm fairly sure that's important. :P
I don't think they have the intelligence to migrate, but good thought. :)
Are you saying that zombies are non-migratory?
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2010, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: dark_drake on August 31, 2010, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2010, 10:57:58 AM
Quote from: dark_drake on August 30, 2010, 11:20:55 PM
I'm fairly sure it's dependent on the method of freezing. For example, if a cryoprotectant were used to protect the cells, it'd be just fine. However, if it were just slowly frozen and nice large crystals were allowed to form, not so much. :(
Well, the original argument was about whether or not they'd survive the winter, so I'll take your answer as "no".
But how much data do you have on the migratory patterns of zombies? I'm fairly sure that's important. :P
I don't think they have the intelligence to migrate, but good thought. :)
Is migration a trait of intelligence? Birds aren't so smart, and they migrate.
Survive the winter, or survive the winter in Winnipeg? Most humans can't do the latter :P
Quote from: Armin on August 31, 2010, 04:51:52 PM
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2010, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: dark_drake on August 31, 2010, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2010, 10:57:58 AM
Quote from: dark_drake on August 30, 2010, 11:20:55 PM
I'm fairly sure it's dependent on the method of freezing. For example, if a cryoprotectant were used to protect the cells, it'd be just fine. However, if it were just slowly frozen and nice large crystals were allowed to form, not so much. :(
Well, the original argument was about whether or not they'd survive the winter, so I'll take your answer as "no".
But how much data do you have on the migratory patterns of zombies? I'm fairly sure that's important. :P
I don't think they have the intelligence to migrate, but good thought. :)
Is migration a trait of intelligence? Birds aren't so smart, and they migrate.
Intelligence was the wrong word. While it's true that zombies exist purely on instinct, I'm not sure that humans (for the most part) have the instinctive need to go south for winter.
Maybe the elderly zombies.. :)
Humans also don't have the instinctive nature to eat brains. I'd say that if zombies cannot survive being frozen, then eventually the zombie-parasite/virus will evolve, and the zombie will have migration instincts to survive winters if it doesn't already.
Quote from: Armin on August 31, 2010, 10:55:47 PM
Humans also don't have the instinctive nature to eat brains. I'd say that if zombies cannot survive being frozen, then eventually the zombie-parasite/virus will evolve, and the zombie will have migration instincts to survive winters if it doesn't already.
Humans do, however, have the instinctive nature to reproduce, to eat, and to fuck each other over, and that's what zombies are doing.
Zombies don't specifically eat brains. That's a misconception perpetrated by Return of the Living Dead, which was NOT made by a respectable film maker. In the Return of the Living Dead mythos, zombies cannot be killed, ever.
As http://redvsblue.com/archive/?id=226 clearly indicates, Alaska is the safest place to be in the event of a zombie invasion. They'd be corpsicled!
The virus that creates a zombie produces a sort of antifreeze in the blood stream, which is absorbed by all portions of the body, much like creatures that live in the sub-freezing waters of the arctic. Therefore the zombies can live in sub-freezing temperatures without the ice forming in damaging ways.
Quote from: Towelie on September 01, 2010, 01:19:49 PM
The virus that creates a zombie produces a sort of antifreeze in the blood stream, which is absorbed by all portions of the body, much like creatures that live in the sub-freezing waters of the arctic. Therefore the zombies can live in sub-freezing temperatures without the ice forming in damaging ways.
I've never heard of this. I think iago needs to clear up which zombie lore we're going off of. :P
Lore? It's called "reality". Durrr.
Quote from: Towelie on September 01, 2010, 01:19:49 PM
The virus that creates a zombie produces a sort of antifreeze in the blood stream
You mean the blood stream that coagulates? And all the cells that stop mitosising?
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2010, 10:31:22 PM
Quote from: Armin on August 31, 2010, 04:51:52 PM
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2010, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: dark_drake on August 31, 2010, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2010, 10:57:58 AM
Quote from: dark_drake on August 30, 2010, 11:20:55 PM
I'm fairly sure it's dependent on the method of freezing. For example, if a cryoprotectant were used to protect the cells, it'd be just fine. However, if it were just slowly frozen and nice large crystals were allowed to form, not so much. :(
Well, the original argument was about whether or not they'd survive the winter, so I'll take your answer as "no".
But how much data do you have on the migratory patterns of zombies? I'm fairly sure that's important. :P
I don't think they have the intelligence to migrate, but good thought. :)
Is migration a trait of intelligence? Birds aren't so smart, and they migrate.
Intelligence was the wrong word. While it's true that zombies exist purely on instinct, I'm not sure that humans (for the most part) have the instinctive need to go south for winter.
Maybe the elderly zombies.. :)
I'm fairly certain early humans used to migrate. So if zombies embody only basic human instincts than they'd probably be migratory.
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There also needs to be an option that says: "No, it wouldn't freeze because zombies migrate!"
If zombies are already dead to begin with, then freezing them, putting them in the oven, microwaving them, beheading them, shooting them, etc... shouldn't make them any deader. The fact that they're animate at all violates all sorts of physical laws so violating more shouldn't hurt, right?
Movies have it all wrong. By my logic, zombies can't possibly "die" through physical harm ... the frightening fact is that the only way to render them inanimate is to actually destroy the matter from which they are made! These zombie survivors in the movies should have been equipped with handheld tactical nukes ...
P.S. Being a zombie is like god-mode in Quake at the price of your intelligence and motor skills! Immortality as a retarded zombie, or mortality as a sophisticated human?
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2010, 11:29:23 PM
That's a misconception perpetrated by Return of the Living Dead, which was NOT made by a respectable film maker.
Return of the living dead was great, and you're a jerk.
The only cure for zombie infestation is purification by fire. You know this to be true, James Raynor.
Quote from: nslay on September 03, 2010, 10:07:36 PM
If zombies are already dead to begin with, then freezing them, putting them in the oven, microwaving them, beheading them, shooting them, etc... shouldn't make them any deader. The fact that they're animate at all violates all sorts of physical laws so violating more shouldn't hurt, right?
Movies have it all wrong. By my logic, zombies can't possibly "die" through physical harm ... the frightening fact is that the only way to render them inanimate is to actually destroy the matter from which they are made! These zombie survivors in the movies should have been equipped with handheld tactical nukes ...
P.S. Being a zombie is like god-mode in Quake at the price of your intelligence and motor skills! Immortality as a retarded zombie, or mortality as a sophisticated human?
Return of the Living Dead took that one step further. The zombies not only couldn't be destroyed through physical harm, when they were burnt the smoke formed into rain which caused a whole new wave of zombies to show up.
Quote from: iago on September 04, 2010, 11:12:04 AM
Quote from: nslay on September 03, 2010, 10:07:36 PM
If zombies are already dead to begin with, then freezing them, putting them in the oven, microwaving them, beheading them, shooting them, etc... shouldn't make them any deader. The fact that they're animate at all violates all sorts of physical laws so violating more shouldn't hurt, right?
Movies have it all wrong. By my logic, zombies can't possibly "die" through physical harm ... the frightening fact is that the only way to render them inanimate is to actually destroy the matter from which they are made! These zombie survivors in the movies should have been equipped with handheld tactical nukes ...
P.S. Being a zombie is like god-mode in Quake at the price of your intelligence and motor skills! Immortality as a retarded zombie, or mortality as a sophisticated human?
Return of the Living Dead took that one step further. The zombies not only couldn't be destroyed through physical harm, when they were burnt the smoke formed into rain which caused a whole new wave of zombies to show up.
Zombie rain?
Zombie rain? Made me cross the street the other day.
Zombie rain? Say it publicly and you're insane.
This is the most recent thread about zombies, so I am using it to say that the new zombie show on AMC or one of those channels no one ever watches is pretty awesome. Way better than anything I ever expected to show up as a TV show. The show is The Walking Dead (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1520211/) for anyone that hasn't seen it.