http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/03/mine.explosion/index.html
That's pretty spiffy that they found 12 of them alive.
Sad that the one man died :(
That's great. I'm glad they recovered most of them.
um, ok, this topic was started after I saw on tv last night that 12 were found and they were good.
News was wrong/miscommunication.
12 dead, 1 alive.
In any case, as cruel/blunt as it might be, who cares about 13 people?
More people than that die of starvation every minute, but I don't see you crying about them.
Quote from: iago on January 04, 2006, 12:43:16 PM
In any case, as cruel/blunt as it might be, who cares about 13 people?
More people than that die of starvation every minute, but I don't see you crying about them.
I agree. Like 50? or so miners die here every year.
Quote from: iago on January 04, 2006, 12:43:16 PM
In any case, as cruel/blunt as it might be, who cares about 13 people?
More people than that die of starvation every minute, but I don't see you crying about them.
There families do, but who cares about them? :)
Quote from: iago on January 04, 2006, 12:43:16 PM
In any case, as cruel/blunt as it might be, who cares about 13 people?
More people than that die of starvation every minute, but I don't see you crying about them.
The difference is the are Americans and not some filthy Asian/African. Get a clue iago.
Actually the whole "we found them" "they're dead" thing is sorta whooptydo too.
This just goes to show that news stations have nothing better to report
Quote from: iago on January 04, 2006, 12:43:16 PM
In any case, as cruel/blunt as it might be, who cares about 13 people?
Who cares about people that die? =P
Quote from: zorm on January 04, 2006, 03:52:39 PM
The difference is the are Americans and not some filthy Asian/African. Get a clue iago.
Exactly. As disgusting as that is, it's 100% true.
Quote from: iago on January 04, 2006, 12:43:16 PM
In any case, as cruel/blunt as it might be, who cares about 13 people?
More people than that die of starvation every minute, but I don't see you crying about them.
I see your point, but it's because they're American. Americans have direct access to the media and the media eats this kind of stuff up.
Alternatively, haven't you ever seen the commercials for the starving kids in Asia/Africa? They may be much more impersonal, but at least it's recognized by the average American.
Quote from: CrAz3D on January 04, 2006, 09:38:58 AM
12 dead, 1 alive.
I was talking to my friend about this today and he said it was the other way around and that the media had reversed the survival ratio. Stupid media.
Quote from: Sidoh on January 04, 2006, 05:58:51 PM
I was talking to my friend about this today and he said it was the other way around and that the media had reversed the survival ratio. Stupid media.
Yeah, last night it was 1 dead guy & the 12 (I honestly can't say I ever heard them say that the 12 were alive though).
This morning I was confused & didn't realize the TV banner said 12 DEAD 1 alive.
EDIT:
This article sums it up nicely I believe
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/04/obrien.miners/index.html
It wasn't simply a media error, the recovery crew knew that there were 13 people, and they had found one dead. They went alon further and heard moaning underground, and figured that it was the 12 people (which is also how they knew where to look). The guy reporting it got a bit ahead of himself at the church and said that all 12 were alive, word spread to the media and such. When they went and dug down to the moaning, it turns out that there was only 1 person moaning, the others were dead.
This story can say hello to Last Laugh '06
Quote from: leet_muffin on January 04, 2006, 06:29:51 PM
It wasn't simply a media error, the recovery crew knew that there were 13 people, and they had found one dead. They went alon further and heard moaning underground, and figured that it was the 12 people (which is also how they knew where to look). The guy reporting it got a bit ahead of himself at the church and said that all 12 were alive, word spread to the media and such. When they went and dug down to the moaning, it turns out that there was only 1 person moaning, the others were dead.
This story can say hello to Last Laugh '06
Sounds like a media error to me. The media errored!
Quote from: Sidoh on January 04, 2006, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: leet_muffin on January 04, 2006, 06:29:51 PM
It wasn't simply a media error, the recovery crew knew that there were 13 people, and they had found one dead. They went alon further and heard moaning underground, and figured that it was the 12 people (which is also how they knew where to look). The guy reporting it got a bit ahead of himself at the church and said that all 12 were alive, word spread to the media and such. When they went and dug down to the moaning, it turns out that there was only 1 person moaning, the others were dead.
This story can say hello to Last Laugh '06
Sounds like a media error to me. The media errored!
Technically, the media errored. Technically, I errored when I told my dad that the miners got rescued, but its cause I recieved bad information, as did they from the safety reporter. The safety reporter errored by assuming that the people were still alive, however you wanna look at it, someone errored.
hahahah @ my dad today. (when i got in the truck) "Hey, did you hear about those 12 miners?"
"uh, yeah"
"yeah well guess what."
"what?"
"theyre still dead!"
Quote from: Sidoh on January 04, 2006, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: zorm on January 04, 2006, 03:52:39 PM
The difference is the are Americans and not some filthy Asian/African. Get a clue iago.
Exactly. As disgusting as that is, it's 100% true.
That was an example -- find a statistic for how many people every day are murdered in the US, or killed by guns, or whatever, and I'm sure it's more. I'm just making a point about the media blowing stupid things out of proportion.
Quote from: Sidoh on January 04, 2006, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: iago on January 04, 2006, 12:43:16 PM
In any case, as cruel/blunt as it might be, who cares about 13 people?
More people than that die of starvation every minute, but I don't see you crying about them.
I see your point, but it's because they're American. Americans have direct access to the media and the media eats this kind of stuff up.
Alternatively, haven't you ever seen the commercials for the starving kids in Asia/Africa? They may be much more impersonal, but at least it's recognized by the average American.
Yes, and last time I checked nobody cares about those commercials. I don't know anybody who's ever brought that up in a conversation, but I've heard about 13 trapped minors brought up at least once. It doesn't make sense!
Quote from: iago on January 04, 2006, 07:25:51 PM
Yes, and last time I checked nobody cares about those commercials. I don't know anybody who's ever brought that up in a conversation, but I've heard about 13 trapped minors brought up at least once. It doesn't make sense!
So very, disgustingly true. I guess it's just one of those "luck of the draw" type things. If the media gets a story they like, they'll play it, even if others thing it's less significant relative to other available ones.
It's still so disturbing.
Quote from: iago on January 04, 2006, 07:25:51 PM
That was an example -- find a statistic for how many people every day are murdered in the US, or killed by guns, or whatever, and I'm sure it's more. I'm just making a point about the media blowing stupid things out of proportion.
Yes, its simply because the media needs a new story to cover and talk about. This happens all the time with some notable examples being the Scott Peterson case and the Cindy Sh...whateverthefuckhernamewas story. One station picks a story and everyone else decides to follow suit in covering it. Most of the stories they cover aren't newsworthy, but they happen and get randomly picked to be covered.
Murders go on everyday, we're used to it.
Miners being stuck is something new and not very common, should they just ignore it? Stop trying to argue stupid points. I feel bad for the families.
Yes, it certainly sucks to be their family. I don't disagree with that.
But when you become accustomed to having murders every day, and families losing members due to violence every day, you have a serious problem. Not just with you, but with your country. People should care about murders, not just ignore them.
Murders ARE on the new though...
But why would "Oh, somebody was shot in Dubois, ID" be on the news? Murders are covered locally but big tragedys like this definitely make national because it's really a rare event.
Quote from: iago on January 04, 2006, 08:24:50 PM
Yes, it certainly sucks to be their family. I don't disagree with that.
But when you become accustomed to having murders every day, and families losing members due to violence every day, you have a serious problem. Not just with you, but with your country. People should care about murders, not just ignore them.
It's human nature, not our country.
When you're exposed to a lot of anything, you become accustomed to it. That doesn't mean we recognize it's a problem that needs fixed and should be taken care of; it doesn't mean we are insensitive and don't care about the people shot, it's just we have a hard time relating to people's feelings when someone gets murdered. It would be hard to shed a tear for every person murdered. Also -- the media ignores them, not our country. The media may be a part of our country, but it's not like we
chose that the news contains things like this tragedy in place of a shooting in down town LA.
I'm waiting for one of the families to sue now.. they'd lose pretty fast.
Quote from: CrAz3D on January 04, 2006, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: iago on January 04, 2006, 12:43:16 PM
In any case, as cruel/blunt as it might be, who cares about 13 people?
More people than that die of starvation every minute, but I don't see you crying about them.
I agree. Like 50? or so miners die here every year.
"There were 22 mining-related deaths in the United States last year."
You live in the US, right?
Quote from: OG Trust on January 04, 2006, 09:59:03 PM
Murders ARE on the new though...
But why would "Oh, somebody was shot in Dubois, ID" be on the news? Murders are covered locally but big tragedys like this definitely make national because it's really a rare event.
"big tragedies"? 12 people is not a big tragedy! As much as it sucks for the families and people involved, I wouldn't consider it a big tragedy!
I don't see how you can consider 12 people dying from a terrible accident a tragedy, whereas 16,000 murders/year isn't such a big deal.
Quote from: Sidoh on January 04, 2006, 10:06:30 PM
It's human nature, not our country.
When you're exposed to a lot of anything, you become accustomed to it. That doesn't mean we recognize it's a problem that needs fixed and should be taken care of; it doesn't mean we are insensitive and don't care about the people shot, it's just we have a hard time relating to people's feelings when someone gets murdered. It would be hard to shed a tear for every person murdered. Also -- the media ignores them, not our country. The media may be a part of our country, but it's not like we chose that the news contains things like this tragedy in place of a shooting in down town LA.
I agree with what you say. But I still think it's a big problem that the media doesn't care about it anymore. 2,986 deaths in the World Trade Centre is considered a national crisis, and enough to evoke a war. 1,383 deaths from Hurricane Katrina was, yet again, considered a terrible tragedy. But 16,000 murders/year? Eh, it happens. I think there's a problem there. The American government has a serious responsibility to start looking inward and solving their own problems before mucking about overseas, if you ask me.
It took a white girl being killed in Toronto for anyone to care. :)
"BushPaul Martin doesn't care about Black people"
Maybe we should send all the black people to Canada. That would solve half of the problem.
They found out last night at like 3AM that it was really the exact opposite of 12 alive - one dead though, I beleive that's what was posted somewhere else (?)
Quote from: Scr33n0r on January 05, 2006, 07:04:22 AM
They found out last night at like 3AM that it was really the exact opposite of 12 alive - one dead though, I beleive that's what was posted somewhere else (?)
Yes, and an update on that (how it happened), the guys that were down in the cave said "We found 12" but said nothing more about their condition. Someone in their control room heard this and figured they were alive and started calling people, and telling them. The reason it took so long for them to tell the people that they were dead is because they wanted to find out who the living miner was. Honestly, what a moron to start calling people.
Quote from: leet_muffin on January 05, 2006, 09:35:13 AM
Quote from: Scr33n0r on January 05, 2006, 07:04:22 AM
They found out last night at like 3AM that it was really the exact opposite of 12 alive - one dead though, I beleive that's what was posted somewhere else (?)
Yes, and an update on that (how it happened), the guys that were down in the cave said "We found 12" but said nothing more about their condition. Someone in their control room heard this and figured they were alive and started calling people, and telling them. The reason it took so long for them to tell the people that they were dead is because they wanted to find out who the living miner was. Honestly, what a moron to start calling people.
Amen.